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I have heard that the essence of music is mathematical and it is not universal. I think mathematics is expressed via inductive reasoning similar to divination(or an Unconscious process) or Plato's theory of recollection. The laws of Physics in contrast are intended to be universal and are deductive in their application.

@How to be wise I think drawing a comparison between yourself and others is not a way, of going about finding "your" True Self.

Interesting. Not just to ask, but to experience as well though, imho. Question - Quest.

@Nahm No idea really. Intuitively sounded right to me for some reason, though perhaps other cultures and religions have better expressions for the limits(Logos?) that can be said in words.

The meaning and purpose of dancing is the dance. Like music, also, it is fulfilled in each moment of its course. You do not play a sonata in order to reach the final chord, and if the meanings of things were simply in ends, composers would write nothing but finales. Alan W. Watts

Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Matthew 7 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Ecclesiastes 3

@shahryar John Taylor Gatto. New York Teacher of the year 3 times. Suggest that people read autobiographies when they are young so they are able to build up hundreds of ideas from people with successful and unsuccessful career moves. Hold public social events so people can communicate better in a community. What are your ideas?

"I know that I know nothing" All the following Speculative and disjointed. Is it possible to believe without knowing? Faith. In a funny way atheists believe without knowing, without knowing that they believe. Annoyingly I believe in God, but do not know God(perhaps nothing) and this angers me greatly, though I do not why. To refute is to believe, but not necessarily know. Is it possible to no longer believe in a thing, but know it. People believe in pain or suffering, I think it maybe possible to no longer believe, but know. Such a phenomena may be expressed in an outer body experience. Noble Truths. Truth of Suffering. Cause of Suffering. End of Suffering. Path out of suffering. Qualia So the mind draws qualitative distinctions. But why should the mind have to draw qualitative distinctions in a particular way? Couldn't it be other ways. Who's to say what looks blue to you looks pink to me? Culturally there are differences in the preferences of colour. Transcendental Morality "Egoism is the very essence of a noble soul." Nietzsche. Perhaps to study the ego, to nail it down and by accomplishing such a feat, transcend. Fire; hot burns. Fear of fire. Fear of the unknown. Reflex action. Ability to override. To embrace the unknown. To embrace darkness. But not to become one with it. 13 “Go in through the narrow gate. The gate that leads to destruction is broad and the road wide, so many people enter through it. 14 But the gate that leads to life is narrow and the road difficult, so few people find it. Matthew 7 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. 24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Matthew 16 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Matthew 4 Maybe there are some Buddhist or Daoist passages that say similar things.

Is this kind of like Shallow Hal or Toy Story? Maybe something like Jungian Archetypes. It's not just the "word" or the "game" Troll or even God. But an actual embodiment of a living personality within and without a person. The Beatles and Steve Jobs were kind of successful or Socrates and his Daemon(or Troll). I guess the dynamic plays out at more local levels, flying witchdoctors. "When the Cat is away the Mice will play."

@shahryar There are as many jobs, as there are desires.

Don't Trolls turn to stone in daylight?

I guess trust plays a part. I wonder what the difference is between trust and naivety.

Yes. If you have everything, you have nothing.

Guy equivalent.

@onacloudynight If you say you don't care about anything, you do care. What were you studying?

"Competition is a Sin" John D Rockefeller. "To sin is to miss the target." Jordan Peterson Tortoise and the Hare. Aesop Fables. Why would the tortoise compete, it does what it does and yet it succeeds. Why do clothing stores locate in the same area and not block all the other clothing stores?

I couldn't resist... Additional Dialogue. Borg Queen: Do you always talk this much? Lieutenant Commander Data: Not always, but often. Borg Queen: Why do you insist on utilizing this primitive linguistic communication? Your android brain is capable of so much more. Lieutenant Commander Data: Have you forgotten? I'm endeavoring to become more human. Borg Queen: Human! We used to be exactly like them. Flawed. Weak. Organic. But we evolved to include the synthetic. Now we use both to attain perfection. Your goal should be the same as ours. Lieutenant Commander Data: Believing oneself to be perfect is often the sign of a delusional mind. Borg Queen: Small words from a small being, trying to attack what it doesn't understand. I do wonder if there are any good books on perhaps making the unconscious more conscious. Whether there are pro and cons to a potential of higher consciousness and how to even get there. So much information out there. Anyone read any books on Wim Hof? fishing for the best up to date concentrated information, found a book called "The Lucifer Principle" looking to fillet the best information of books on the unconscious mind, through experts or general publicists.

An opinion wrong by what standard, because you say so?

@Weltschmerz Sounds like the Predator Movies, "Get to the Chopper!" or "You can't see the eyes of the demon until he come a calling". I think it might be part of some personalities to have a sense of something not quite right "You don't know what it is, but it's there...like a splinter in you're mind, driving you mad." Perhaps a bit like Descartes evil demon argument. Probably something to do with various elements of the unconscious mind bleeding through to the conscious, imho. What to do with such a situation no idea, nothing to see here carry on I guess.

All sounds like the Illuminati ending from the PC game Deus Ex...."Boxes stacked one in another".. .1st Ending.

The best metaphysical explanation for non-duality I've heard of is "Leibnizian Monadology" (only looked superficially at it). Maybe someone is familiar with other (correct?) premises?

SALARINO Why, I am sure, if he forfeit, thou wilt not take his flesh: what's that good for? SHYLOCK To bait fish withal: if it will feed nothing else, it will feed my revenge. He hath disgraced me, and hindered me half a million; laughed at my losses, mocked at my gains, scorned my nation, thwarted my bargains, cooled my friends, heated mine enemies; and what's his reason? I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. What if there were no response from a subject? Probably be corpse. But as there is a response how is it best managed? What would it mean to forfeit responsibility or to say forfeit suffering?

If there is no "I/you"(Locality?) to have freewill, there is no I to be predetermined either. "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man."- Heraclitus. Having quoted that, if there were something for a man to take, what should it be through life in general?

In its basest form, wouldn't exploitation be cannibalism? "And thou mourn at the last, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed" Proverbs 5:11/ Doom II Perhaps being addicted to or encouraging people to become addicted to something maybe far worse than slavery. Effectively destroying their soul and your own. I mean with slavery the slaves are an asset to the slave-owner. Their fortunes are bound. With a wage aren't you effectively taking a calculated bet that the market productivity will be in excess of the wage. Heard that in India when Oxfam campaigned to ban Child Labour, many children ended up in prostitution.

@Empty Don't know much about Morocco, but doesn't the King effectively control the drug trade there. I think the Americans have a military presence in Morocco, so I'd imagine any revolt would be dealt with by any means necessary. I guess there's still some French and Spanish colonials in political or business management positions. I heard that the leather/tanning industry is quite large. Enlightenment to me, is something if possible would be purely individualistic. If you care for the people what can you do to help? Out of curiosity, do you know what the Nomadic Berber people are like, living in such a harsh environment wouldn't they be people worth talking to? Different worlds....