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I am confused about my "career", I can either return to it or let it go and take another path...one that may change my income, my health benefits, my pension...all those things that provide stability to ones life. I am confused about a medical professional I am seeing that doesn't align with my spiritual ideas, not that he needs to align but at least not kick me in the teeth about it! Seems like a simple decision to just move on but it has ramifications in many respects so I am trying to consider everything and come to a decision but the answer is not coming to me by contemplation and thoughts and examining the pros and cons....

@dorg I guess that is what Nahm meant also....... ...if you only come from a place of loving consciousness then there is no choice? Same with me, the harder I try to figure out what the most correct thing to do is, the further away from an answer I get. Someone else simply stated it as over analyzing things. I have always dissected things from every angle looking at possible outcomes/good/bad and then I get frozen in my thinking because it just doesn't work to try to decide things in that way. Then I would call every member of my family and answer shop and let them decide for me! Sounds like insanity...or it IS insanity. I don't want to do that anymore, I cant.

What the heck is going on with this? Wow, mind boggling....couldn't follow it because it's well, unfollowable? Huh....Everything is nothing then why are we here as a human being if nothing wants nothing or I mean there is nothing period.......In practical terms, how do you carry out a human life it nothing is real? Why talk or speak or exist? I'm super confused........This is Radical!

Thanks so much for the replies @Nahm I meditate with a silent wish to have my heart speak to me. I believe I really know what to do.......its trust and not doubt...... When I trust, it's clear. If I let my mind in then doubt appears and indecision. Can you elaborate on IF I had intuition then I would know the outcome please? So if someone doesn't have any intuition then they would struggle with choices? I believe we all have intuition but maybe the trust is missing? I found this quote on a set of cards I made years ago; "Our Doubts are Traitors and make us lose the Good we might oft Win by fearing to Attempt" ~ Shakespeare

@John Flores Yes, trusting your gut can't be wrong can it? I guess when you have never lived as someone who could trust their inner self for guidance, it must be a process or a gradual increase in that trust that brings you to the full place of knowing without being distressed by things that are not important. Is that what you mean essentially?

I totally appreciated your input. Yes, for one particular decision, I can't see the benefit of one outcome over the other or that I CAN see two outcomes that would both benefit me so, I obviously have to go back to what Leo and you both said and I don't know what I really want! When there is external pressure then Intuition to me is in opposition to logic you hit that bang on. So the question is how to resolve logic VS intuition?? Go back to learn what you value the most? My desire is for Peace. In all things....... so I try to not to make waves. I try to take the path of least resistance. BUT the path to least resistance in decision making can become an unclear path. So that cannot be the best way too approach it. I will have to get in touch with my inner self more which I am attempting to do through meditation and I will look into viewing things subjectively rather than objectively. I agree that doing things based on should thoughts will not serve any of us or help to make the correct decisions in life

Thanks for your perspective. I believe what you said is all true. I think I need to consciously become aware of what my values are because they may have changed. I always knew what I wanted out of life was peace. That thought has been occurring to me forever. I am also in a big life transition. leaving a long marriage, living alone, work issues, physical issues. I see that it could cause a natural phase of confusion. I have always relied on others to chime in and thus make decisions for me in the past so maybe now that I am alone I feel more obligated to take care of myself if that's what you meant? Is fear involved in indecision?

Thanks..it seems very straightforward. It does actually seem too simple. I read somewhere that the eye movement re trains a part of the brain. I can look into it more. Do you look at the screen for one hour after all of the steps are completed? That seems like a long time to stare at the screen but if it works then that is the most important thing... I am wondering how people get messages from their meditation. I have been asking the question of what path to take but I don't seem to be getting any clear messages except that a strange thing happened Tuesday morning after my session with him on Monday afternoon. I had bad dreams that night and my mind wouldn't stop spinning around what he said to me and how I expected things to go better. I woke up to immediate thoughts of the situation and was totally unconscious while I made my bed. While pulling up the sheets on one side of the bed I knocked this little figurine of an Angel of Strength off my night table and when I looked down, I saw the body of the angel with the wings and the head was missing...I looked for a minute for the head...it was under my bed. It broke clear off from the body of the angel....What could this possibly mean? Might this be a signal from my higher self? I thought that maybe it was to tell me that I am losing my mind and hurting myself...I'm not sure how to interpret but it did seem like a message. My sister gave me this angel of strength at least 12 years ago and nothing has ever happened to it. Is this most likely a sign?

John Flores : This is a little deep but cool! Things can get so complicated. I have read some things by Abraham/Hicks where she is a medium for the spirit of Abraham but I haven't really learned much about these types of experiences...This is a whole other book I guess!!

I just watched Leo's video on Why Rationality is Wrong. It was like a description of my experience I had with my Psychologist on Monday. I believe that he is not connected with his body or emotions. He definitely had the knee jerk reaction and reacted emotionally. Now I understand it and I can see that this Psychologist is a total rationalist! 100%....as I was listening to his descriptions and examples I could see that is how he approaches his methods. He is so unaware that he can't see anything but his own context of his own thoughts....This is not a good situation for a Psychologist. He was demonizing my spirituality. Now that I look back on my therapy, he never mentions emotions. Basically he was telling me I was irrational during the hour I had with him. Now I can see this clearly! Thanks Leo for the video! Makes sense now.

@John Flores Well that is very interesting to know. Very intriguing....I personally believe that there are very old souls here as well. Dr Wayne Dyer stated that he believed himself to have been St Francis of Assisi! How have you met Enlil....if you want to expand on that...past life regression? My hairdresser has had 4 past lives and one was a member of Royalty in China. She always had this draw to go to China and go to the great wall of China. She only found out later about the past life. @Bebop Thanks so much for your response, I will meditate on it and just ask for some clairity to come to me so hopefully I can put a stop to this pondering of what is best to do in the situation. I know all is happening with a purpose so having faith and just letting go of my expectations may be in order. Thanks for pointing that out, and thanks for the offer to chat...much appreciated!

What I meant by a young soul is that he is not seeing the purpose of life which is to find your true self, the only self there is and he may need to come back and live through another human life to learn what he hasn't realized in this life.....do you believe we are eternal and that until we realize our true nature we will return to experience human life again until we do so? Is that a religious belief?

Yes, I admit there is a fear, there are other factors involved such as limited choice and also the wait times. I know this appears as excuses/fear of change but some concerns are a real factor. At the very least I could look into switching. I was looking at this situation as something that I should overcome because it looks like an obstacle which could be an opportunity....OR maybe the obstacle is in trying to find a new therapist which would be an opportunity for me to be true to my needs??? How the heck can one figure this out.....Both ways could be right. In the end, I know seeing him has caused me to suffer again. I had some nightmares and now my thinking is constantly on this situation which is not good. I know it is getting to me and wearing me down...

I think he must be a young soul and he will have to try to grow into some form of real purpose other than his title and his accomplishments. No you are very right about this, I will not make it my job to make him realize that in fact I will not ever speak to him again about spirituality. I will have to keep this to myself because I know his position. He doesn't care about it for himself, and he cannot appreciate it's importance to me either sadly..

@Bebop Hey thanks for your point of view. I'm very glad you found what you needed right away. Maybe mine is a test for me, possibly because there are no mistakes in the universe right? Everything should be happening for a reason I believe... @Ramu I will definitely watch that one! Thx @see_on_see It is so easy to over analyze it for sure and I will try to see his input as a bonus to my own work, that's a great way of thinking about what is going on! .@Arkandeus Thanks so much for the input. I believe you are right that he immediately turned to his Ego because it looked like someone punched him in the gut, I could see his physical reaction and if he could have produced any more signs I would have seen steam coming out of his nostrils. He looked totally impatient and a look of disbelief on his face that I wasn't recognizing that it was his "work" on me that had made me progress. I see your point that maybe I needed to feel so helpless and so discontent with his methods that it drove me to pick up my books again and really open up my spiritual path once again. I was at the point where I was unconscious again and only living through my mind not my soul so perhaps he was the catalyst for me to push myself back into who I really am. If I look at things that way then I am very lucky to have happened upon him. What if I would have just had a very laid back person where I didn't feel the need to look inward?? Maybe I wouldn't be on this forum right now. Maybe I wouldn't have picked up a book or discovered Leo's videos or this site at all. I do believe he is in my life for a reason. It's the not knowing if the purpose of him being in it is over or if this is still something I should face and deal with on the next level. I will have to see how my next appointment on Monday goes and I think I will decide from there. If I can see that he is holding a grudge or is going to hang me out to dry, that he is still upset over it and can't deal with the fact that I brought the subject up then I don't see how I would be able to continue with him. I would suffer and dread every minute of the appointments. Actually I already dread the thought of going back to him because I want to avoid any conflict. I just want to move on. That seems to be what my gut is telling me... @Martin123 No, I'm not there to validate him but I believe he thinks that I am just another notch on his belt that he can advertise as a success in the future and maybe that's what he need to do because he might not be aware of what he is doing? If that makes sense. @cetus56 I think you are right, he is lumping me in with the other two and was shaking his head in disapproval. I got to the point of really trying to defend myself and I had to say clearly, this is not a religious thing, I'm not religious. He admitted he is not spiritual and doesn't have time for any of that stuff he said so he is judging me without even knowing what I am talking about really. He said that the other two cannot get better because their religion or spirituality will not allow them to focus on anything negative. That's when I said, yes I understand when you concentrate on bad things that have happened then your thoughts get repetitive and you just get more of them, like the law of attraction. He said that is just crap. He said do you want to focus on bad thoughts for 4 months and get better or do you want to focus on bad thoughts for a lifetime. Those are the two choices he is aware of! I am very sure that no one has ever gone into his office and admitted to helping themselves with spirituality. I believe he was shocked. He said he knew the week before that there was "something wrong with me".....everyone else thinks there is something right with me! I think he is offended because he keeps referring to my books as "self help" books. I did explain that it is something entirely different than psychology and it's not self help psychology books. It was a very long uncomfortable hour. Next monday is coming up too fast, I need to resolve my feelings about what to do but I keep jumping back and forth on what I should do @Colin OMG, I wish I could go and see this Dr! What he is saying is so so true. I feel like when I am being asked about something traumatic and having to keep relaying the story over and over and listening to my recording of it every day that it is re-traumatizing me! He is so right about that. I wish I could send this video to my Psychologist. I'm not even joking...I know that is a fantasy. I became aware of this method when someone else who is being treated for PTSD told me about it and I really felt that is what would help me the most so I spent some time researching it and looking for anyone in my area that uses this technique and there are none from what I have researched. If I lived 4 hours from where I am I could access a million resources but I am very limited in my city of 160,000. It's unfortunate that it is not available in small centres. It's also frustrating at times because I can't really do what I feel is best for me and therein lies my problem.......or situation I should say! I would literally have to go out of town to get this type of treatment. I would If I KNEW that the person was skilled and that it would help me.

No, there might be a few other but some Psychologists don't treat PTSD. He seems to have the niche market where I live. I could look into it further if I wanted to if i went that direction.

I don't know if this would be a good idea because although it means so much to you, if people are not open to the idea or ready to explore themselves, it may not be of any value to them. Would they take offense to it? I'm kind of falling into that mode, wanting to help my family and trying to share things that I've learned but when I do, I can tell that they really don't truly understand what I'm saying and I think they are living totally in their minds. I sometimes feel like what I am saying if falling on deaf ears so I'm going to focus on myself right now. I guess it might be worth a try, I don't think it can hurt but I think unless they are ready, they probably won't get the true message...imho.

I really really like this. I printed it out so I can read it whenever I need the reminder! What an easy way of putting things! So perfect and true!

@Ramu I had to look up rationalist...I've heard of the term but I'm not really familiar with the meaning....He definitely could be. What bothered me the most was his obvious anger that I even suggest that something other than his treatments have been helping me! He was visibly upset and he later even said "I'm not mad at you, I just want you to know that". Maybe it's my role to teach the teacher! But I don't think he wants to learn one thing from anyone really. @see_on_see Thank you for pointing out the obvious, seriously. I really mean it....It truly is ridiculous you're right and he doesn't seem grounded to me at all and, I don't really know if he can help me at all. I could possibly start over with someone else but at this point, I feel like what I am doing on my own is helping me more than anything else has and so in some way I kind of just want to get this over with. The more I think about it the more confused I get because I would really like to move on but I feel stuck.. Maybe I can use this as an experience to practice what I know about awareness and consciousness? Does that seem foolish, I don't know? I can probably remain calmer than he can I know that. Maybe as it was suggested, I can try to remain centered and keep an open mind. It will be hard because I am surprised at the terrible way he handled things. Maybe this is a test for me? Why did I end up with this guy? I'm not 100% sure of what to think about this anymore.. @Sri McDonald Trump Maharaj Yea....maybe!

You are so very right on this. I took a nice walk outside next to a river and on my way back I was looking at the trees which were swaying in the wind and I thought, the tree isn't resisting the wind it just goes with the wind and sways gently. The water easily flowed over melting ice and branches in the water, there was no resistance. Then it occurred to me, why can't I just see this "obstacle" as an opportunity to again grow. Then I thought, I don't have to compromise anything about what I believe because what I truly am can never ever be disturbed at the core, only my story and my mind's idea of who I am would really object to any idea other than its own. It sounds like what you are saying is to go with the flow and take the path of least resistance...be the observer? Truly, this must be the way that was meant for me to go. At the risk of sounding corny, I believe the universe or synchronicity sent me your message exactly when I came back inside my home with these thoughts, and opened up this page! Can you believe that??!! I will keep your words in "mind" while going forward with this therapy Thank you...

AND another great thing from Mooji was when he described how he would want to meet someone for the first time: He says imagine that you have an appointment with him but before you go in to his office, he wants you to leave your mind and all your thoughts and everything that you think that you know about yourself in a room on the side.....a little room he says. Just leave everything you are carrying with you in your mind there. Strip down all the things and thoughts and personality. When you leave all of that stuff in the room then you may go in. That is who he wants to meet... I think this is an excellent image to keep when we approach things in life, going into a meeting, maybe a family gathering. Maybe even before a conversation that could be difficult...I just think this is so helpful!

It's strange that you say what you did in your first sentence because I woke up this morning and I thought to myself, he can't take anything away from me regardless of what he says, it's too late I know what I believe and he can't stop me from continuing. In order to get through this therapy I will have to keep going in the direction I need to. It will be very very difficult because the two seem to be in opposition to each other, completely. He did say to me if my self help books are so great then I have no need for him. If I felt I could find someone I could align with I would already be gone but the reason I don't just drop him is because I am tied to therapy because of work issues. They are paying for the treatments, I don't have a choice at this point, I am mandated to receive it. Or am I? That is the question......I could take a leap and just say to hell with all the BS...I'm pondering what to do. Another reason is that if I drop him, will I just get someone else like him and be back at square one?? That is my fear in which case I might have to deal with much more time in "therapy" with a new person. I could take a chance but I have a very limited number of other psychologists to choose from. Maybe I am limiting myself out of fear? ...I'm not sure. He absolutely got flustered and lost his professionalism, I could see it because before I walked into the office I made sure I was deeply present so I could think clearly and see clearly. I actually saw him turn red and he stuttered. I have no access at all to any new wave or alternative psychology unfortunately. I know I would do much much better with a different methodology but I am so very limited by where I live. Yes!! I think they feel their very own methods are being threatened. They don't like change or don't want to see anything outside of their own learning and are stuck in there. It's too bad because who believes there is only one right way to do everything? No reasonable person... Thanks for the perspective...I am looking into all of this I am just not "allowed" to mention it or give it any credence while at my appointment. He will not tolerate any thinking other than his own. He is a legend in his own mind.

YES!!

Yes....one that has helped me is from Leo's video ...repeat this to yourself as often as you can " I am completely independent of the good or bad opinon of others" !!

I loved this! I'm taking away his message on not falling in the trap of wanting more and more information/experiences. The more books I read and videos I watch, the more my mind seems to try to understand and challenge my self and I feel like things are slipping away at times. I think we can do too much seeking which is what he is warning against. Thanks for this video!!