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  1. Posted · Edited by Milos Uzelac

    6:10 am CEST time zone. 

    ? Focus breath meditation intended time 40 minutes; managed time 20 minutes; with several minutes of actual breath focusing. Report and Noticed obstacles:

    1.) I have/had a recurring thought pattern attraction, during these last several days and weeks, in home quarantine with access and in search of politcal analyst prediction visual media, in visualising a fantasy about writing a post on the Society, Environment and Politics thread, bases on my thinking and assessment of deeper inner meaning* and connection of newscast on video of world politcal events and creating a thoughtful, insightful and sceintificly inffered personal prédiction about the possible headings and outcomes of larger geopolitical events (such as the future of US/China relations and warning of their current world peace, between superpowers, endangerment and predicting and sharing posts about the possible future heading of the EU and the future of membership of some of it's current member states). In order to, I assume this is the underlying motivation, to attract people to view my content, comment on it (so I get get/be in the center of attention of people I judge as higher consciousness, more developed and better than me as who's verdict on my analysis and predictions I want to hear) and to give affirmational positive feedback, to my self, in short a praise, of the sort: "You are doing the work, congratulations in your thinking it is sound and on right terms, in accordance with this spiral dynamics development of consciousness work". (an imagined image of a @Leo Guracomment saying and that of Serotoninluv in the similar manner) of my articulated and correct linguistically expressed thought content on the Society, Environment and Politics thread. I can't focus what else I wanted to write as a thought pattern distraction and attachment, will do an edit later, after a 5 hour sleep/rest session and add another, if it occurs, reccuring thought pattern obstacle observance after the mediation session of 30 minutes, that I have in plan, after I wake up at about 12:00 am CEST time zone. End of detailing of results after this described arisen reccuring thought pattern during attempted breath focus meditation of 40 minutes report at 6:20 am CEST. 

    (note: I am losing/lost a bit of the original track and intention during writing this journal section and got distracted by my own sentence correction and thought patterns during writing this .) 

  2. Posted · Edited by Milos Uzelac

    14, 34, 35, 44.

    Where the (still not total and complete in habits and day-to-day experiences) the rude awakenings (or personal apocalypses (to explain rude revelation of truth of my current state of existence and how I got here through past action karma accumulationn, and where are my realistic assessment options of heading towards) for me personally and partly for my familial bonds collective ego. 

    Thanks for the well-crafted and informative share@MsNobody.   I must confess when reading your well crafted list I felt an ease from your words a little, so thank you also for that feeling ❤️ génération and for setting the time and effort to make this comprehensive personal committed research inffered list and for laying out for me personally and for others I hope, to see the contained evolution potential in the perceived crisis and endangerment of current collective state from a roughly developed country POV. 

  3. Posted · Edited by Milos Uzelac

    ?Half-asleep Lucid dream of running for my life and being hunted by some rednecks with hunting rifles and shotguns. At 7:30 Am and 7:50Am my time zone. Fell into a short state of after, willing in the dream to wake up, out fear of "not dying in the dream" of what can I describe as a fluctuating visual-perceptive state, neuro-physiological state of not being sure if I am awake while seeing my room in a blur before me, while sensing that I am hyper-blinking  with my eyelids, unwillingly, and being in this fluctuating and cognitively unsure, state of self-perception or self-awareness, of whether I am dreaming or am I awake and actually seeing this before me. I will later in the day write some narrative details and descriptions of the dream, and move this post to a newly created Lucid dreaming related journal thread. 

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    @Serotoninluv Thanks for the sources you supplied here on this thread. I Will set aside time to read some of them later and take some notes, basically to stack up on some arguments if I encounter some conspiracy theories narratives popping up or being pushed to me in my environment in the few days to carefully and consciously try to dissect and dispel them without causing an emotional backlash for me the person that might be in question.

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    10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    Like all things, government can be used in good ways and bad ways.

    Corruption always exists, there are many degrees of it, but it can be rooted out by electing effective higher consciousness leaders with managerial experience.

    As but one example, this guy is doing a good job looking out for his people:

    This is good leadership and good government. Without leadership like this you'd be living in a hellhole.

    Read an article about him in Bloomberg Opinion yesterday that TMBS posted on twitter, there he laid out the strategy for California to act as an independent nation-state along with other bordering states, effectively in governance and decision making in the unfolding crisis, given the deep corruption, withholding of urgent PPE supplies, politicizing and state selectiveness bias behind the scenes because of the upcoming election and central authoritarianism of the current Federal Government administration's ineffective response to the pandemic crisis and its impacts on a state by state basis, this latter part I inquired by watching Democracy now newsreels.

  7. Posted · Edited by Milos Uzelac

    4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

     

    I got some shocking new for ya: Government is actually looking out for you! OMG! Can you believe that? That some strangers might actually care about your life? I know, it's crazy, right?

    Yes this seems very truthful, given the fact here in Serbia and of course other less developed Eastern European countries with a low-birth rate and demographically old populace, they really care that you have as much as children as possible and that you earn enough money to nurture them all, by receiving short-term state benefits for each new born. And demographics as scientific field and it's overall disciplines is overall celebrated and prestigious, it is a very national politics strategy, for having at disposal more citizenry, critical field and a central to state's  overall future planing trajectory here of what to invest in and fund etc. This interest in its demographic statistics and ways to facilitate sexual reproduction of its citizens by the state is what, the French postmodern author Foucault called biopolitics, in short its an overall government's strategy to facilitate as efficiently as possible new and to extend older life as much as possible for it's strategic goals and to at the same time us the citizenship leverage to manage it and control it as much as possible in order to aim at fullfiling it's overall national strategy needs and goals. 

    I think this "government is the problem, not the solution" undercurrent in the consciousness of many living in America and various fear mongering about the government in general, was deeply hammered in by Reagan and his economic and ideological heritage and his neoliberal ideology tradition language still being actively disseminated and promoted by the Republican party and it's zones of influence and some parts of the Democratic party. It is basically, at least I often see it as such, the ideological worldview of the ruling class being unconsciously reproduced by its citizens and the ruling class in this instance are monopoly and oligopolic interest group billioner CEOs of transnational corporates and industries and their wealthy shareholders in the government, who oppose à renewal of government anti-trust laws upon on them like in the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century in the  U. S., the sort like Théodore Roosevelt imposed then. 

  8. Posted · Edited by Milos Uzelac

    Also had the relapse problem again, I got my desires now as coping mechanism and crutch due to deadline and work schedule study anxiety or as a result of an anxiety relief mechanism after a procrastination session of watching videos on YouTube.

    You have a free downloadable book in pdf form of

    Your Brain on Porn, on Academia.edu that @DivineSoda referenced.

    I have a non defined plan yet to tackle it, during quarantine, when I get the desire to instead sit in my chair and focus breath meditate on it or when the deasire for it arises, to use these scientific sources to get a clearer picture perspective in my head that if I jerk off to it and ejaculate now and get an instant dopamine reward system release neuro-physiological feeling as , of how it actually affects and helps better my psychological state and cognitive abilities and opportunities for longer term thinking and planning my future realistically if I choose this quick get reward scheme in tackling my anxiety and psychological fatigue issues. Good luck in this, I am with you  currently on the way. 

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    I just feel the need when writing this now, during this quarantine and curfew for the country that I live in till Monday and to be a part of some community, even virtual, where I can write openly about the dark undercurrents of my psyche and the needs that arise from it.  I can't confess these habits to anyone in irl, because I've recently started on the path shortly after the global outbreak, to try socialise and share with some people and to cultivate a persona in public in order to succeed in the long term, to gain some influence among people and to cultivate a friendship and down the path an eventual relationship, with girl I like and share similar personality traits and psychological issues - a very like minded soul, I think, by analysing here and interacting with her shortly this much in terms of her character that I sawed she display towards others and me. 

    The Devilry in the post is the following, 1.) my emotional and neuro-physiological crutch for porn when facing anxiety regarding work or commitments that I have which I

    2.) procrastinated on and got 3.) distracted on by listening what my mind lures me on with biased detected "higher and nobler thoughts" that arise from listening and watching intellectuals on YT, analytical news and videos that I am to predict the future geopolitical standoff that's possibly coming about as a result of the pandemics effect on global economic trends or reading articles in paper in other subjects that I have interest in, that I use as an emotional crutch to keep procrastinating on real and difficult faculty assignments and mind and writing work that are the only thing I have to do since I am unemployed, don't contribute in way to broader society, only to my relatives and live with and depend on my father still financially.

    I developed as self and relationship destructive habit of a porn crutch when I ever I feel anxiety or heavy fatigue when I need to do actual work, over a period of a few years and this has was particularly harming to my still wish and perceived path in life career and social rolel, when I in January and February, before national emergency was declared here, failed to plow through and to commit studying two subjects for an exam in February (one I which almost completed 60% of needed for the exam and other did I was suppose to start after finishing the latter) and due to lack of, as I said it disciplining myself and commuting to it, feel for the need to dispel that constant anxiety to numbing myself to reality and to relationships with family relatives and the rest of the colleagues and friends on my faculty with a pornography binge. Now when I have to start finally doing the work, that I postponed and checking a heap emails and notification intrsuction messages by proffesors I fell through again, with an essay I need to write on which I am already late on and want just finish it so I can say to myself I finished something during this unique quarantine opportunity to just have a lot of free time to study and to get some points and get in contact with a professor with whom I have a exam and to learn more about her and focus primarily on her subject which is sociology of education in which I am most interested, of the ones that I have been exposed to, try and to commit to and do a masters degree.

    I understand if it's tl;dr, I just want to get something and write into the void, my past life trajectory thoughts over the last few days. 

    4.) I don't have an organizational day by day habit put in place (my father, who I depend on, live with is disrupting this due to his own personal problems, habitual and organizational issues as myself, and he has the need to talk to me a length about his maihaps and arguments with other people and I have a written consensus with him to put a stop with whatever I am doing and listen to him or he will get  offended severely and hysterical) and realistic and strategic plans, on how to step by step and day by day, complete and finnish all of these assignments and seminars that I have to write and put out till the end of May, I think, (I will correct myself If I am wrong.) 

    5) This in and out liminal state of being formally a student and not having an money earning job and basically as it pertains to the work I have (haven't) accomplished and done last and this semestar on state college and the pension rights from my deceased mother's work years of receive (which I was eligible as her son to inherit at birth and will have as long as I am a state funded student and till I turn 25) that I receive monthly plus added with my father's good paying job as English and German langauge teacher in a private language school, mostly set up for people looking to learn a language and work abroad, because of the lack of opportunities for success here and general economic depravity for a lot of people. So I am almost in 7 month position now on more or less (I went on most classes in faculty in this semestar and completed some minor test and assignments) of leeching of, again more or less, the filled with students benefits state university system and avoiding to pass, till now, exams these two semestars,  and not implementing a work routine now during this pandemic and being late on assignments and to doing almost any day by day substantial study work and producing results which I have a commitment to send to my profesors, and now I am pat deadline on some of them, even still though the general consensus among them was they will accept them and I would get points for the grade, because of livelihood qnd work circumstances of some students that this crisis may have impacted on some less fortunate then me students. 

    I feel bad for this perceived postponed future orientation job or student work parasiting and have since I am in this, I call it liminal state, the need to somehow avoid having to work a wage-earning manual labor job potentially in the summer or in autumn and to succeed and focus somehow of implementing a study habit, a knowledge base and giving and passing exams that I have, even though It is most likely given my current exam points that I want to continue to study sociology that I will have to finance myself and work a full-time job at the side. 

    So to recap, biggest hurdles and issues, that caused me this mental breakdown today:

    1)uncertain faculty studying future

    2) procrastination and distraction anxiety from postponing and working on slowly an already past-deadline, first PP assignment then film essay. 

    3)feeling like I am Labor leaching parasite and advantage taking opportunist  in irl when encountering and watching people that work a manual job and are focused and efficient at it, and when I didn't study or complete any study assignments att all during the day

    4)going on a short porn binge tonight, because of an emotional and physiological crutch that I developed as bad ingrained habit now when facing mind, emotional and writing student work related anxiety and stress  off either exam uncertainty or being, because of procrastination and distraction pass deadline and trying to desperately catch up and earn some points I need for a higher grade by completing it, instead of starting to prepare and work on an past- deadline, though probably pardoned if past deadline, assignment that causes me anxiety and stress of not being able to after a week almost now being able to focus, work on it and finally complete it and send it to the professor via email to get that off my chest, due to distracting myself with corona virus news, social media chatting with colleagues and intellectuals on YT and procrastinating it on it causing me to feel like a parasite, weak and worthless, while working people around the world are losing jobs they committed to and worked on in third-world and first-world because of the systematic failure of the economy that this pandemic crisis caused. 

    5) psychological and emotional fatigue that I feel after a 30 minute meditation or after physical labor when I have to study and tense and focus my mind and to think of rationally and adequately distributing and between time and results from writing and memory. 

    I cant think of any other key issue now, I will add after I complete my set goal tommorow of  completing as much as possible or the whole prioritised assignments, seeing through the day other key personal commitment and habits hurdles and issues that I have, and will start to writing strategies and approaches of solving them most effectively and expediently within the frame of my work deadlines and current covering and results generating habits and capabilities.

    In other words trying to assess as realistically as is possible for my mind of where I am at life, what are my concerete paths to my, still I think, vaguely defined goals and what I have to tommorow to start doing to set which to prioritise on fixing and overcoming, with as much as possible and realistic assessment and accepting emotions that come from that assessment and using them, as an indicator, where I need to keep pushing to feel better and lessen the chances of this breakdown happening again in this very good and rare growth opportunity in isolation with less external chores and commitments. 

    Sorry if this tl;dr felt the need to write something down after this very unpleasant and resistance to it and heavily judged porn mastrubation numbing caused mental breakdown tonight that is a cyclical anxiety and stress coping habitual mechanism which I developed a crutch on and haven't put constant and adequate and attention consciousness committed and focused work on to overcome, lessen and eventually get over and fix and replace with a daily reading schedule which I feel a motivating wish for. 

  10. Posted · Edited by Milos Uzelac

    @DivineSoda Thanks for the well and meticulously crafted text and experiences share, put me at ease before reacting on some comments that I think are lacking in research and terminological nuance and precision (for example as I read Marxist) in certain topics and exhibited some judgements that were biased based on, I assume, that certain persons past experiences identity and personal survival outlook and negative experiences with it. Like myself presented here for example 5g EMF effects etc. in other areas where I lack knowledge. Blessings to you and thanks again, have to get on my procrastinated work now ?

  11. Posted

    The bodies of Maeve Kennedy Townsend McKean, a granddaughter of late US Senator Robert F. Kennedy (who himself was assassinated, before becoming a potential presidential nominee, as his brother the late U.S. President John. F Kennedy) , and her 8-year-old son, Gideon, have been found after recently going missing in the Chesapeake Bay.

    On 2nd of April Maeve Kennedy and her 8 year-old son climbed on a canoe  and paddled it across the bay to retrieve a ball that after a game fell into it and a sudden gust of wind in the middle of the sea bay swept their canoe and turned it over and they both appeared to have drowned under the force of the currents. Their bodies have been found after a six day search. 

    Since so many of their famous family lineage have died, that some people have started to believe and brand it as a Kennedy family curse, could this be a case in the past lives model of explaining such peculiar and seemingly predetermined cases a result of intergenerational karmic law of redemption and equalising of past acts. Or am I projecting my own biases regarding how I view my own past tulmouts experiences in my youth and why I went through them. 

    Here's the video from RT USA:

    Would like to hear someone's insights about questioned posed if it's on your radar. 

    Hope you're all well still during this and safe. 

  12. Posted · Edited by Milos Uzelac

    1 hour ago, Roy said:

    @ivory Precisely! That's exactly what we're talking about. It's just like Terence Mckenna said, we have the resources, the power, the technological knowledge, and the community to build a utopia. But we are led by the least among us, more accurately our least inspiring ambitions and motivations. The change that is necessary for these things to come to fruition isn't a fantasy, it is an actionable path in reality for people to wake up tomorrow with a new perspective and healthier set of values and radically change the world for the better. But we are all mostly trapped in our own cages of illusion, willingly or unwillingly, where the bars are made up of selfishness, greed, fear, survival needs, want for power, etc.

    "How am I going to retire without excess money?!" (Everyone wants to shelter away the old til they rot to death in expensive hotels, a cheaper healthier solution is in a community/family oriented solution, with volunteers).

    "We can't just be giving money to bums and drug addicts!" (But when they are the ones struggling they demand handouts).

    "It's too expensive!" (The resources already exist for a good quality living for everyone, it's just dispersed unequally).

    "We can't lower our defense budget! The world will become unsafe!" (Terrorists exist exactly for the reason of intrusive wars destabilizing nations. People who live with infrastructure don't have reasons to commit terrorism).

    You notice how it's just endless excuses, no matter how much or in what way you press people? It's just like @Leo Gura had said over and over again, people want change and results for themselves but yet they aren't willing to make the structural changes that are necessary. They would rather just complain, bitch, and moan instead.

    We have everything we need between each other and the planet to create a paradise. We just lack the VISION and have our priorities backwards.

    Don't get me wrong I'm a pragmatic person, and I don't get stressed worrying about this stuff too much. I just think it's a little amusing how people argue and complain on both sides endlessly when the potential is sitting right there.

    Everything seems impossible for humanity until it's accomplished and becomes the norm, and then people take it for granted and scoff at the next "impossible" thing.

    They often brand this kind of excellent, passionate and convincing thinking as socialist utopianism etc. But as Zizek once pointed out what's really utopian is to think that just making incremental changes will sustain an unsustainable (in regards to ever widening gap of inequality - its related structural issues - and environmental destruction) neoliberalism trickle down and oligopolic generating economics system. 

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    My friend I feel you on this I struggle as well now to keep my focus and hyperactive mind fixed on topics that I have to learn for essays I need to write and exams that I have in plan for passing in summer. I got carried away by incoming information from the virus updates around the world and distracted easily by chatting online with friends and focusing on taking up opportunities for possible doing favors for certain youth pro-worker organizations, to translate a video-clip in my mother tongue Serbian, for that audience of that organization here in this country that I posted in the society thread the US military-industrial complex war maneuvers and geopolitical plans in the wake of the coronavirus - and that's what distracted from writing my essay today. What I will try to do is to set time and discipline for a focus breath meditation for concentration and reducing of anxiety that I feel now and write out my study time plan since we got the news in my country as the virus infection spreads among certain parts of the populace, they will also probably put us here on 24-hour lockdown like in Spain and Italy for an undetermined time. I will use this time to boost my learning speed skills and techniques, as I am slow and tend to focus too much on completely connecting the dots on one paragraph and being able to reproduce it in my own words which takes up time which I need to manage and organize better in regards, to time spent and focused on certain partial things and not the whole picture, in order to read achieve what I planned on reading and what exams I want to study for to pass. I am in a sociology department on a state university, what are you studying, why are you studying and in what environment and where are you studying it at (a private course or public institution) I think these are the crucial questions that you have to inquire yourself about in order to find methods and pathways about your study motivation and best strategic path to increase it (like researching besides something connected about the topic at hand in free time), mine is descriptive, heavy on learning and learning to use new concepts correctly and using them in literary purpose writing sense when explaining and making conclusions from the study of its sustainment mechanisms of social order in question and it's future heading and sort of various dot connection and metaphor using from different scientific disciplines, natural and social.

    If you want to start this as a thread for learning techniques I can post what I find or advice and insight that I gain from practicing to study better and more efficiently in the speed in which I cover a topic, proper focus and time allocation, here tomorrow. Sorry for the long post and lack of clarity and a long bulky post, I have the same strategic problem for at home studying for faculty and catching up in attendance and coverage of our zoom courses for sociology - I am in fact lagging heavily behind now.

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    12 minutes ago, silene said:

    You're quite right to mention bias, the media is just as much biased as politics. The RT TV network is pro-Russia/Putin (try looking them up in Wikipedia) and other stations have different biases, so we need to compensate when consuming the news. The Cold War is still alive and kicking I'm afraid to say. 

    @sileneI meant that primarily for The Empire Files vidéoclip narration style, but yes of course RT as a network funded by the current Russian government has to have some bias and silent consensus of on what not to report on (mostly regarding the dealings and plans of the current Russian government in detail) and how to frame the reports of current Russian's government role and policies in the world and of their geostrategic ally China, in order to have a consensual stability among the employees, producers, managers and owners in the network for their efficient mutual functioning and avoiding topics which might trigger disagreements and wider conflicts, and would inhibit the function and cooperation of their employees and total survival as an RT network affiliate in the U.S.

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    I would argue that shift needs to happen to happen in already established corporations, not start ups with small number of employees, with large ammount assets and of workers with longer work experience, to get them as employee representatives on corporate boards of directors and enable them the ability, based on how much they worked in the corporations, to have the ability to a part of the stock of corporation and to invest in it or sell it on the financial market as based on votes and as representatives of other workers. If I made some logical mistakes correct me. I will share you a clip of Rick Wolff on the TMBS who explains, this accuretly and precisely, how this workers on corporate boards concept works in some corporations in Germany with more than 150 employees , were the workers have right to own, after sufficient employee status experience part of the stock of that corporation and use it in the role of representatives for all workers. 

    Here Wolff, as a guest on the The Michael Brooks Show, outlines some Democratic Socialist policies in some German company's that are mandated by state law there. It starts at 13:00.

    Hope this helps you understand if you want develop your arguments. 

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    I feel this topic is a response to the tone of my last comment on your thread. I was kinda annoyed on the passivity and obedience of people, that this is the new normal and that it isn't a opportunity to have an argument on their side why demands for economic change and reform is now necessary for protecting the lives of workers. I partially understand your points one must look out for ones ire and anger that may have an opposite effect despite if it's backed up by correct and rational backings why the necessity of change cannot be postponed anymore, if the live of your close ones and family are at stake. Fight governmental stoked fear of the pandemic with activist stoked fear of long-term economic unsustainable consequences on the most vulnerable still during it and particularly after it. 

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    @ivory I understand you fully on the long post thing, happened to me almost yesterday you get carried away and lost in correcting grammatical errors, if it's a long text, and I noticed on myself, have a strong tendency to get lost and carried away in this "logocentric" - as Leo borrowed, the term from postmodern author and theorist Derrida, state of consciousness and closing your experiential alleyway strictly on obsessing over correct, ideally connected and logically cohesive, words, sentences and phrasing. It's a hard pull I still don't have the hindsight and techniques always to resist the pull.

    I will check out those excerpts about Buddhist doctrines, thanks a lot for setting the time sharing them and your wisdom, when I get my current life organization together which I kinda screwed up yesterday, in regards to cleaning up my room and apartment with my father together (since our whole nation's capital has been put in a mandatory quarantine till the end of the weekend ), and catch up with procrastinated on student work, that I got distracted from by this aforementioned post ?. I have some university assignments and I am now in the rush to finish them and send them via e-mail to corresponding professors. 

    Thanks for commenting, sharing your past tulmoutous experiences and wisdom regarding how to go about difficult times when going through health issues and sharing your wisdom about this post @ivory. I hope you're doing well now, that you and your friend's and families have some securities with you regarding the possible economic impacts on most Americans, because of the catastrophic mishandling of the pandemic crisis by the current administration and their lobbyists and that you're currently in good health and safe. 

     

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    Note: Keep in mind there is a lot demonization going of certain individuals and countries by the narrative style of the narrator, which is never a high-conscious approach to a loaded political topic, in the clip but information provided is condensed from NY Times and NPR Articles and articulately and precisely delivered. 

    Also shows the bias and potential fear of possible revolutionary and uprising activity by, the endangered and layed off American workers from the most hard hit private and public sectors, and rest of the populace in the upcoming spike weeks in America when that state official in an official press briefing shown at the 6th minute equalised and crafted the term : Marxist theocratic kleptocratic Iranian régime in one sentence, for unbeknownst reason from my POV other than because of fears of revolutionary activity at home listed above. 

     

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    On 03/04/2020 at 1:58 PM, Parththakkar12 said:
    On 03/04/2020 at 1:15 PM, Parththakkar12 said:

     

    • Collective egos can be very ideological and emotionally reactive. It's very easy to give a hatred-filled speech and rally up mobs to support you in that. Individuals get carried away very easily.
    • Collective egos can also seek revenge for perceived injustices. Our jail systems/justice systems are a prime example of this.

    I've been feeling a lot of this lately when walking out to get supplies and seeing people obediently accept this condition and not feeling any concrete anger directed toward the government casual treatment and lies in the beginning of the spread the virus in my developing economically and mostly blue than orange country but there is, I think, a dual notion to this, rather it depends on the perspective, and socio-economic historical development of current external circumstances.

    What we are seeing now, I would argue, is the result of unhealthy and unsensitive overextractory in work and exploitative orange economic policy of those on the top of the hierarchy direct toward an obedient manual labour and office clerk blue, in terms of general global relations on the spiral,   

    1.) who has lost the time manueverbility to work on himself, due to longer working hours and stagnant wages, that would enable one to have lifestyle that allows enough free time allocated for one self,   

    2.) being financially tied to repaying interest added debt on borrowed loans which restrains purchasing options and requires long term investment saving and thinking, which most people, working those previously mentioned jobs, tied to sustaining their families and raising children have hard time acheiving with these odds and pressure always stacked against them

    4) very few opportunities of social mobility up the economic ladder and almost no secure and long term room for re-qualification opportunity chances

    Conversly businesses success, personal enrichment and achievement no matter what, orange oriented collective ego, which holds productivity and success in the innovation fields as one of their top values which they, on the top of the income and wealth pyramid measure and value individual humans (they are also often established at the top, for a longer period of time now, an claim most of the earning and most benefit receivings in societal hierarchies) puts the emerging green- embodied in mostly the new technology and virtual savvy and socialised millennial, gen X and Z generations-in the same pressure and position of blue of struggling against the odds in the competitive world but with the difference of having much more in general, in their collective go group, knowledge leeway, options and technological skill demand opportunities to survive through this crisis. 

    So in the physical labour productivity and birocratic efficiency collective blue ego which is most of the developing and underdeveloped world now, this upcoming economic pressure will fall hardest on them. 

    And therefore I see it as a systemic balance necessity and structural need of sustainability of the current world unfettered and largely unregulated capitalist system, of transnational corporate oligoplies in the international market, that was devised by successful collective ego orange elites to perpetuate and solidify their now endangered economic power structure based on their worldview and ideology, which is what they are attempting to do, since most of the world governments current are unilaterally influenced by them in carrying out their policies and legislation passing. 

    It's therefor also justifiable for the development of the blue collective ego, which is most of the planet, and the development opportunities for the whole spiral I think in general, to respond now in the wake and after this crisis, not with obedience and conformity but with rage, demands from orange, collective mobilisation and organising around their common economic interests or as you said emotional reactions and stocked hatred by their ideologues, even if necessary to wake them up from their slumber and display a show of force, total violent disruption and subversion of regular inequality perputing, business as usual, economic activity of corporations and governments alligned with them to scare orange enough to give into some of their demands and to start thinking if cooperating and reform proposals of their more green and even blue value system oriented political opponents in order not to risk an entire system breakdown and even more damage to their wealth generation mechanisms than radically reforming them. 

    This an abstract scenario of an developed nation (particularly I had in mind the United States possible coronavirus pandemic social outcome). I realize now I may have a made some mistakes in the spiral dynamics development path. 

    But I still think my argument is still valid for the development of the collective ego in general to orange in under-developed blue countries. 

    It would be beneficial for their growth and therefor growth of the whole spiral if they as you mentioned:

    ? Form and fight for a formation of a blue collective ego interest group which, led by mostly green developed and compassionate individuals, would give into emotional reaction to current crisis with rage, orange rationally crafted demands for justice and show of force and willingness to take risk in negation to their previous conformity and obedience, to orange, coated in fake blue regalia and blue political language elite, in order to fool them that they are still one of them, in their respective countries. 

    ? Have revenshistic and vengeful attitude towards till now calaice orange exploitation and lack of care for their future and their country's national and local economy future, and have again demands for revenge for real perceived injustices stocked by someone more debeloped (in the SD sense), articulate and rational in demand and knowledgeable on the history and nature of their current position than them and willing to take the risk in sticking his neck out for them out of compassion to see a portion of society having opportunities to start developing and having real granted conditions for leading better lives for them, their families and their close communities. That's what I see as the role of some green nuanced intellectuals and activists interested in politics and wider societal state in my generation, I am 21 now. 

    Some groups like Blue Labour fraction of the Labour Party in the U.K. now are similarly adopting this strategy, by forming a party by orange and green intellectualls to act as interest group for collective blue blue-collar worker egos, in Britain after Brexit. 

  25. Posted · Edited by Milos Uzelac

    I haven't read this Camus book yet, sounds like an interesting and maybe development useful and enriching read during and after the pandemic crisis,  but here the School of Life channel puts forward the most key lessons regarding the universal parallel, that Camu tries to communicate through the book, between relatively unchanging collective experiences and general past and present societal stances regarding right before, during and right after disease outbreaks and of course deeper analytical views on the human condition from the existentialist perspective.

    Camu said to his friend writer friend Andre Malraux in a letter in March 1942, that he wanted to understand what plague meant for humanity: ''Said like that, it might sound strange'' but he added: ''this subject seems so natural to me''. 

    Camu then put forward the idea, that in fact actual historical instances that we call plagues, are merely concentrations of a universal precondition, they are dramatic instances of a perpetual rule: that we are vulnerable to being randomly exterminated, by Bacillus, an accident or fellow humans. Our exposure to plague is at the heart of Camus's view, that our lives are fundamentally on the edge on what he termed ''the absurd''. from the view of the narrator of this clip and famous philosopher Alain de Botton. 

    One of the main messages and lessons, that Camu communicates to us is this: ''We assume that we have been granted immortality, and with this naivety come behaviors, that Camu criticized: a hardness of heart, an obsession with status, a refusal of joy and gratitude and the tendency to moralize and judge.

    The modern people that are affected by the plague, in the book, associate the plague with something backward that belongs to another age. They are in their eyes modern people that have advanced technological help at their disposal, they are surely not going to die like the poor wretches of 17th century London and  18th century Canton.

    They exclaim from the quote of the book: ''It's impossible it should be the Plague, everyone knows that it has vanished from the West.'' says one character, ''Yes everyone, knew that'' Camu adds sardonically, "except the dead''.

    Camu's message: ''There is no escape from our frailty, being alive always was (no matter the time period)  and will always remain an emergency. As one might put it truly an inescapable ''underlying condition''.

    The plague for Camu in the book is a metaphor for the ''susceptibility to sudden death, an event that can render our lives instantaneously meaning.'' And yet in the novel still the citizens deny their fate, even when a quarter of them are dying, they keep imagining the reasons why the problem won't happen to them.

    ''The book isn't attempting to panic us, because, panic suggests a response to a dangerous but a short-term condition from which we can find safety. \but there can never be safety - that is why safety for Camu we need to love our fellow '' damned'' humans and work without hope or despair for the amelioration of suffering. Life is a hospice, never a hospital.''

    Camu writes; ''Pestilence is so common, there have been as many plagues in the world, as there have been wars. But plagues and wars always find people equally unprepared.'' 

    I wanted to share this video because I thought is full of useful insight's that can be very helpful in positioning adequately and emotionally oneself in this time, keep struggling for your future despite the current circumstances and their uncertain consequences and have an optimistic long-term view of one's fate, having in mind, what Camu accentuates in the La Peste, what is that diseases reveal universally about society through history and one's position and a path forward in them in total.

    Would appreciate also a lot  if you have time enough to share with me your feelings and thought's during this time regarding some statements mentioned in the video:

    ''The plague is not a punishment for anything deserved, suffering is entirely randomly distributed, it makes no sense, it is not an ethical force. it is simply absurd and that's the kindest thing we can say of it.'' 

    ''The whole thing is not about heroism, it's about decency. It may seem a ridiculous idea, but the only way to fight the plague is with decency.''

    Someone asks the main character, what decency might be, and Dr. Rieux's response is: '' In general I can't say'' remarks the doctor, ''but in my case, I know it consists of doing my job.''

    I hope you are well and safe!