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@Leo Gura Why don't you try it? You've got the money and the knowledge. Pursuing enlightenment seems to be your priority (it is currently mine too, thanks to you). The worst thing that might happen is losing $2k I bet you were skeptical about 5-MeO-DMT and the whole Martin Ball story at first, too. Maybe you could even interview Jeffery himself for some future Actualized.org episode! cheers

Thanks Leo! I'd like to know where did you get this information, because I am still very skeptic about Jeffery's claims. He seems to be in touch with Ken Wilber and other really respectable people, I just didn't try his course yet because I don't have the money for it. In this interview, Jeffery talks about how most people that took his systematic approach did get to a "ongoing persistent non-symbolic experience". http://skeptiko.com/267-jeffery-martin-can-enlightenment-be-taught/ (listen from 1:34:00) I do understand the difference between an enlightenment experience and an actual non-dual persistent state (at least conceptually). Jeffery seems to be talking about taking people to a non-dual persistent state! I hate to be the one doing this, because I am new to the forum, and I know how much you have read about non-duality and even talked to enlightened people, but aren't you conceptualizing enlightenment to be the hardest thing ever to "achieve", when it is actually said by countless teachers to be a really simple realization? We all have spiritual egos and limiting beliefs, but I think the main reason for a forum like this to exist is to put it all on the table and help each other to go higher in the beautiful game of life love from Brazil!

Thanks Nahm! I did it using two photo editing apps, actually. I am not a very good artist :P. I have an optimistic view on the general awereness of spiritual concepts and enlightenment itself. The Internet is an amazing tool for curious minds. Even taking into consideration spyral dynamics levels, more and more people seem to be aknowloging these concepts. In my view, there is going to be a spiritual revolution in the next century, maybe. People are worried about "the technological singularity" and things like VR, but it seems to me that this kind of technological mind fucking might actually hint people about what is going on in "real reality". Yeah... I have a problem with optimism, I guess haha

@Prabhaker totally agree. Maybe it would sound better as "the most succesfull teacher in modern history"

Tks brother! Valeu irmão! Talking specifically about my personal journey, I am willing and do face my mental trash everytime I have the opportunity to do so. My curiosity is based on the prospects of the spreading the non-dual spiritual ideas, just as it is, an ideia (at least on the beggining) . For instance, I've seen that there is a post here on the forum about the recent videos of Jim Carrey talking about non-dual concepts in a random interviews. Of course he knows he is doomed to be seen as insane for many. But maybe this act itself works for some people, creating awereness about "what the hell this crazy dude is talking about". Reccently I have discovered Jeffery Martins's reasearch about "non-symbolic persistent experience". The dude has a course which he claims to have developed a kind o method that had over 75% success rate on liberating people, based on extensive research and direct interviews with enlightened people. (You can be skepical as you want about it, no judgements). But if this happens to be true, this sort of "demystifying of mysticism" should be spread to all seekers. I might sound silly talking about this sort of spiritual politics, but it seems to me to be a really important point for us, spiritual seekers

also, try Wim Hof breathing method! it worked wonders for me!

Try going vegan and avoiding wheat flour Also, research about autohemotherapy. I have been struggling with chronic knee and abdome pain for quite a while. Also have a lot fatigue and used to feel sleepy all day long. I am not still a 100% vegan and avoiding all wheat, but reducing it works wonders

I am still having serious issues related to this post... That's why I am "upping" it. Things got worse now that I am unemployed and staying home all day. My father shouted yesterday because I am not doing anything, while in truth, I am working on my personal development and consciousness. They are very spiral dynamics orange, and believe that I have to earn lots of money, a "respected career" and a nice car to go on with my life. I can't even start to explain them about my meditation habits, psychedelics, all reading about non-duality, psychology, etc.... Should I get a shitty job and get out of here, having less time for my personal development?

Hey guys, this is my first post here. I am on the journey of self-actualization for over 6 months now and am already noticing some great results in my life. Basically I have been using mindfulness and self knowledge to extrapolate my own "insanity" and mental prisions to the people I relate to. It is pretty scary to realize how distorted our self image when you never commit to looking inside. Anyway, to the point: I am a brazilian 28 years old engineer, still living with my parents (yeah, they really don't pay very well down here in Brazil, and housing rental costs are obscene). I have lived by myself once in Toronto, Canada, for a period of one year. Since I came back, it has been very difficult to deal with my parents. I have realized how much of my life I have spent trying to please them, and to do things according to how they think it's right. They still treat me like if I were a teenager and that used to piss me off a lot. Since I realized the illusion of ego and our mental prisions based on paradigms, dogma, relationships and environment, I have been trying to have a more compassionate approach to other people that "get in the way". Whenever I try to discuss some aspects of this control they try to have over my life, how they fight with each other, how their neediness actually keep me away and agravates stuff, they get bad Egoic reaction. My father generally gets angry and explosive. my mother gets emotional and play the victim. No matter how calm and unreactive I am when these conversations happen, it seems to be a game that I will never be able to win, because they play "role" of wise-always-right-older-than-you-shut-up in this game. How can I improve my relationship with my parents, without giving up my personal and spiritual development? How to point the unconscious aspects of other people without getting bad reactions? Tks a lot!

Thanks a lot @aryberry! lots of insightful words there, I really appreciate it. I recognize they have no blame, neither do I. I am trying to develop this chanel of communication exactly because I see all the suffering that these behaviours are causing them. Yes, they are actually controlling and needy, but that does not mean it's their fault. And yes, I might still have a lot of inner work to do, but since I stopped being the "good kid", got rid of the need to please everyone (specially my parents), I have been noticing these people desperately trying to put me back where I was at. And I have never felt better before in my life! I think the main question I have is: How to show other people their biases (since it's a lot more easy to identify them being outside of their noisy mind), and how can I be more open so that people can actually feel free to point my own biases? Thanks again!