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Nice Preetom, Probably saved me effort into reading his story. Very funny how you LOL at Arunachala being the same as other mountains. You westerners need to educate yourselfs before you start talking about other cultures. LOL I didnt even mention anything about Dualism. Since your so caught up on non dualism and how a physical God/Guru has no relevance; Go read up on Vallabhacharya and how he conducted him self and taught about God. He taught Shuddadvaita"pure non-dualism" which is the "purely non-dual" philosophy propounded by Vallabhacharya. Vallabhacharya's pure form (nondualist) philosophy is different from Advaita.

Buddha - Incarnation of Vishnu/ he did have a Guru also said that earlier on the thread Om Swami - Going to read his story. Ramana Maharshi - You didnt read the whole thread. Arunachala is his Guru. Bodhidharma - Thought we were talking about Hindu's only. But will look into him as well. Osho - not even enlightened dude was a mess. Mahavira - Again thought we were talking about Hindu's only but none the less Jains are from the Vishnu side (read last page also Read up on the 1st Tirthankara.) and there is alot of Mahavira's story that is missing.

Lol this is where it gets so messy. But the Guru term Im talking about would be: -Om swami left his Guru. -Then got enlightened and realised he did it with the help of his Guru that he left and went back to him, Im assuming he didnt do that. None the less I will look into his story. True I don't know what it exactly is but its most likely a plant based psychedelic. I never said I knew what it was made of, I know what the effects are from reading scriptures. And reading peoples DMT experiences it is clear to me DMT> SOMA in terms of potentency and its ability for you to dive deeper within. I never intended it to come out like that. If you read the entire thread before posting you would have seen my reply to Leo when he said the same thing.

@Leo Gura Can you give us some names pls. Its not to dispute/argue with you just want to look into it. Thanks

@Leo Gura No Sir. Thats just the system for Hindu's. Other religions may have another system. You may not like that, as the system should technically be the same for all but you cant speak technically about enlightenment. Also the last statement is unfair in terms its too blunt and direct. A better one would be God is within, and for the Hindu system you need a Guru to help you realise that. But hey. Maybe for your system/ path DMT is your 'Guru'.

@Truth Addict In regards to The Mohammed one do they all lead up to him only? I agree with your statements of Trust, as people have abused the Lineage and have even mixed and matched the lineages and claimed to have multiple Guru's. It simply doesnt work that way in Hinduism. Yes there are faults in lineages and the lineage is not the only way to see if a Guru is legit. But I'm just saying all the enlightened Hindu Guru's I have observed have this lineage in place. (let me know if you have one that doesn't) And to throw a Spanner in the works it doesnt always end up as Scholars in the end. Ramana Maharashi's Guru is a Mountain. But its not just any mountain its Shiva himself. Texts about this mountains go back thousands of years, along with other saints experiences of the mountain.

@Leo Gura In Hinduism the Guru lineage ends up at either Shiva or VIshnu its not Infinity. (well I guess you can call it infinity as they are God) They are supreme. And the Vedas proclaim Shiva and Vishnu to be one and the same. Thats how it works. Im surprised you didn't know this?? For example Ramana Maharshi's Guru was from the Shiva side. And other enlightened beings come from Vishnu side. And Buddha was from the Vishnu side. He had a Guru also which traces back all the way up. (but there are also Indications are Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu him self...) Thats one way to see if an Indian is legit enlightened as they should have a guru lineage that ends up to either Vishnu or Shiva. (there is a female deity but I havent looked into that one much). Test it out for your self. Think of a Hindu that you think was enlightened and check their lineage and I assure that theory would work.

@Leo Gura Very interesting insight. Seems like DMT is be all and end all for you. But by your Logic nobody in India had reached the peak you claim DMT provides. Every enlightened person from India had a Guru. (havent found a single one yet that didnt). I guess by your standards nobody has reached Final enlightenment in the past as 5-MeO has only been used for the past few decades. There is a level beyond what anyone in the past has reached? What would have happened if someone like Ramana Maharshi who fully dissolved his ego to the point where he said he had no mind, and had no more spiritual work to do, as he has supposedly reached the final stage, took DMT?

@Leo Gura We dont know of anyone who has gotten enlightened by Psychedelics only, but have numerous cases of people getting enlightened with a human Guru. So your statements are false. Psychedelics have been used in the past (example Soma Juice, not sure if you are familiar with it), Although Soma is not as potent as 5-MeO it has been shown only to get to the outer fringes of enlightenment and not to the final step, also it has been talked about for millennia via the Bhagavad Gita and numerous other spiritual texts.

@Leo Gura I think you mean Brahman not Brahmin And no they are not identical. Vedanta can be refined and they can be shown to be different. But that is just down from different philosophies.

Mean I was about to go unconscious, It happened in the first week of meditation and I didnt even know what I was doing. Maybe I was lucky. happened for the next 2 years of spiritual practices. Now complete body vibrations have completely subsided, and only my skull feels like its going to explode but that has begun to subside too. Wonder if taking psychedelics would bring back the vibrations or if they are not necessary anymore? Its a Shame they are illegal here.

is DPT produced naturally in the human body? What if you have already had mind/body debilitating vibratory experiences during your spiritual practices?

You tell em JIm

probably maximum

@tecladocasio yes it was. When he comes back he notices his mistake and doesnt do it again. Also others who are thinking of doing the same dont do it as well.

Excepting someone else to understand your subtle statements when they havent gone as far as you have, is a mistake in the way you expressed your experiences. Probably 99% people on this forum havent gone that far so surely its wrong to say?

This has happened in the past and still happens today with the shushka-vedant style philosophies. They talk exactly like Leo in his blog post. Leo said he will carry on exploring so hoepfully he comes out on the right side of things.

Was it necessary to make a useless thread before you went?

'I suddenly became an inedic, which some people refer to as Breatharian, or living on light or prana.' Also the UX of that blog is unbearable.

Uh-oh. It looks like you had some serious experiences but It seems like you are going down the shushka-vedant style. This is very very dangerous. Hope you manage to come out on the right side of it. You said your teachings will change but hopefully you will still carry on doing spiritual practices and the teachings can change again into the right direction.

If you can manifest Swiss hand crafted gold watches like the baba in OP's videos, in front of thousands of devotees then you can do it in a controlled setting over and over again. But it as never been done because it is complete Bullshit. Remember the part where you said to be Grounded a few minutes ago. Yea, I think you might need to hit it up. If you can do something at defies the law of physics then they are not my expectations, they are expectations of anyone and everyone. This materialisation crap does more harm than good. It drives genuine seekers away from this game and drives people who believe it into a web of delusion.

When you are in the mist of this crap going on you cant help but be cynical. It may be possible, but to the 10000's of materialisation's, none can be repeated in a proper setting and probably never will be. Video is not interesting, its heartbreaking! To see those devotes looking for enlightenment being lead down the wrong path.