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hey guys, When I meditate is usually have some Kundalini symptoms going on. I have jerks and spontaneous head movements. It’s been like this for about two years and I’ve gotten used to it. Yesterday though I went deeper than what i normally. do. My body forcefully wanted to lean forward into a 45-degree position, and after sitting in that position for a while, I encountered what I can only describe as an extremely intense vibrating feeling. It felt like every cell of my body was about to explode! This was way too intense for me, so I quickly got myself out of the meditative state I was in. Now, ive had virabting feelings before, but this was something else. Could it be just another Kundalini symptom? It’s kind of bothers me because I don’t want Kundalini to awaken at this point in my life. Does anyone know what this is? I’ve been meditating for 5 years and I’ve never experienced anything close to it.

@Christer you present a very interesting question. "Now you see it, now you don't" - Alan watts God is always playing hide and seek with itself While I don't believe that you can lose progress in the highest picture, I certainly do believe that you can have moments in your life where you are less connected to spirit. I also believe that you can feel this internally. It's like a compass. Looking back at my own experience 6 years ago as an18 year old I was more elevated spiritually than I am at this particular point in time. I did not know what spirituality was about, and I had no experience with it. I had frequent lucid dreams, the sight of nature could absolutely enthrall me, and I had this fundamental attitude about life that everything will be fine. I remember moments where I was just sitting in my room contemplating life, and I was overwhelmed by gratitude. I also remember one night where I was looking at my parents and I suddenly felt this incredible love towards them. Don't get me wrong, I have always loved my parents, but this was different. It was existential. It still puzzles me to this day why it was so much stronger than usual. Anyways, I went for walk that night and I had my first satori experience. I saw that reality is absolute love, god is real, and that I am all of it. everything changed from there. I started reading about spirituality, got lost in concepts, and that connection I felt was soon gone. Sure, I have grown a lot since then, but I don’t feel the same connection as I did years ago. I am more lost in thoughts, pessimistic and so forth. Maybe it's a part of the path? I am sure it is. I don't think the idea of getting closer to any "goal" is particularly helpful tho, just accept where you are. But I do however believe that you will have moments life where you are more conscious.

@Raptorsin7 for me it depends on the meditation technique used. I've recently had some emotional release with mantra meditation. While mindfulness in my experience is wonderful for increased presence and focus, mantra meditation has much more of a purifying effect on me. It's like my nervous system instantly knows how to ultilize the silence into some sort of release.

@Dumuzzi nice to see that you have actually gotten something good out of it Do you believe its possible to awaken Kundalini gently and slowly? If I take small steps in my spiritual practice? Also, what about psychedelics? I have read that they can trigger Kundalini awakening. I have some experience with psychedelics in the past, but never tried them when I have these symptoms. I have got my hands on some 5-meo-dmt, but I am actually more scared of the possibility of Kundalini awakening, than the drug itself.

So recently I’ve been doing 20 min sessions with mantra meditation. And yesterday, I felt a slight discomfort in my session. I started breathing a little faster than normal and I got slightly nauseous. I did not think any more about it and I went for a run. Later that night I noticed that I was still breathing a little faster than normal, and the nauseous feeling was still present. I just surrendered to the feeling and went deeper into it. And suddenly I burst into tears for no reason! I was literally curing without any particular emotion or memory. It felt like I was releasing old stuff but unable to figure out where it came from. I hope that this is a sign of healing and progress, but who knows. I know that meditation is known to surface old emotions, but wouldn’t that release normally happened in the meditation itself, not hours afterwards? Any thoughts ?

@Dumuzzi what you say about inner compulsion to follow it is very true. I been aware of that impulse within myself for a while. Its such a wierd thing. Anyways I have read a lot about the downsides to Kundalini awakening, but people never mention what benefits they have gotten form it? Sometimes i get the feeling that Kundalini really doesnt benefit people in any way, except maybe increased energy. But that people are just forced to accept their situation, and therefore it is much easier for the psyche to considered it a positive thing. And that since it is such a mysterious and "spiritual" phenomenon, it must be something valuable and good. Correct me if I am wrong In what way has Kundalini awakening been worth it to you? Do you have any real tangible benefits that you can point at ?

@Dumuzzi wow this sounds heavy. I really dont want to go down that Kundalini path. But at the same time, I dont want to give up on the benefits meditation has given me. What do you think about only meditating for like 10 minutes a day? wouldnt that be too little to awaken Kundalini?

A I N G A. pronunciation: "aiiinga". reapeat it silently in your mind. find your own rythm and play around with it. the key is effortlessness, this one should NOT be accompanied with hard focus like many other meditation practices. say it as silently as possible, but do not try to make it silent, thats effort. Let it calm down naturally. Do not bother focusing on your breath, just focus on the mantra. Ive had experiences where i completely lost tack of space and time with this teqnicue. It really does affect your mind different than mindfulness. Not saying its better, just different. Do not overdo this one tho, you can get some pretty bad headaches. I recommend no more than 30min to begin with

he gave me several. How old are you?

you could for example try out some of the trancendental meditation mantras. Ive used one of them in the past, works well. http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/secrets/mantras.shtml As for now I am actally using a mantra i got after initiation with an enlightened master in India : ) Its wierd how I actually feel that different mantras has different effect on my body-mind. Might be all in my head, who knows

these days I do mantra meditation for about 30min once or twice a day

Been posting about this before, but seriously... have any one else ever experienced prolonged dizziness from their meditation practice? I think I might be an odd case Basically, it feels like I am sitting in a small boat. I doesn’t just happen I meditation, but also when I am not meditating. Been struggling with this all year and after I quitted my meditation practice, I finally got better, but it lasted for weeks. I have now started again, and the same kind of dizziness is manifesting itself. I also experience spams, so does this mean that It could be something energetic going on? Some kundalini symptoms perhaps? Or could it be that my meditation practice is creating some unfortunate neuropathways in my brain, thus leading to dizziness? You know, one could always say. “Be still, keep going” But the problem is that this dizziness is interfering with my studies. It makes it harder to read. Done a lot of medical tests as well. Everything is fine. Been meditating for 4 years. Would love to get some intelligent input on this, as it is quite annoying. And tbh, a little scary. Thx <3

Hey guys For the last two weeks or so I´ve been feeling constantly dizzy and I need some insights. It’s a rocking kind dizziness that resembles the feeling of sitting in a small boat. I suspect that it has something to do with my recently increased meditation practice, and here is why: I recently finished a transcendental meditation course and have been practicing TM for 20 min two times a day, over the last month. I Quickly noticed the positive benefits like, increased energy, calmness and mental clarity. I was happy about it, and It was unlike anything I have experienced with my 3 years mindfulness practice. However, after 2 weeks weirder things started to happen in my TM practice. The first thing that happened is that my head would start to move back and forth, and in circle like motions. I have heard of this phenomenon before and I was instructed by my meditation teacher to remain indifferent to it, and so I did. I was told that it is just the body´s intelligence doing what it needs to do. So I continued, not exaggerated it nor stopped it. After a few days with this head movements I started to get body jerks as well. They could be very strong and to be honest, it sometimes felt like I was practicing some kind of exorcism rather than meditation. I concluded that it was most likely a sort of kundalini phenomenon and just continued my practice. The head movements, along with the body jerks would now happened every single time I meditated. Anyways, things got even weirder when I started to have this spontaneous head movements and body jerks not only when I was meditating, but also while I was relaxing! For example: My body would jerk every single night before falling asleep, and while I am waiting for the buss, a strong pulling sensation in my head could suddenly come over me. I was able to control the head movements but not the jerks. But it literally felt like a force was invading me, rocking me, and working on me. In the midst of all this, a subtle, constant rocking dizziness was starting to creep up on me and at this point I started to get concerned. I have now stopped my meditation practice entirely for 4 days, but the dizziness won’t go away. It is not strong, but it is present all the time. When I close my eyes, I still get the spontaneous head movements, but the jerks have decreased. I find the dizziness distracting, and it gets worse when I work on the computer. Could this be a side effect of meditation, just a phase I have to go through or kundalini energy moving? I am wondering if any of you guys have experienced the same or have some knowledge about this. All thoughts appreciated.

@Hellspeed thanks for your elaboration. My problem now is that I am dizzy 24/7, not only in meditation. It is now 5 days since my last meditation session and the dizziness still persists. Have you also experienced this?

@Shiva interesting, sounds like you are on the right track! Was it with psychedelics? @Tony 845 I had my sober awakening 4 years ago, it was life changing. fall asleep again after a few minutes. I dont think my nervous sytem was ready to embody it. I had no prior spiritual practice. Been asleep ever since

@Hellspeedhmm, I am not sure what you mean by " awaken the limbic system»? Do you even know what it means? too me they are just words. I did some more research last night, and maybe this is a symptom of kundalini syndrome? Apparently, Enlightenment and Kundalini awakening are not the same thing, and I’m not really sure if I want the latter one to happened, as it can be really intense, disorienting and even scary. one could put it this way. Kundalini awakening is the liberation of one’s life-energy from the narrow confines imposed by fear and conditioning. It heals and enlivens the whole body with glowing vitality. It elevates one to a higher level of functioning and flow, in harmony with the universe. Enlightenment is the liberation of one’s consciousness from the narrow confines imposed by the illusions of the mind and delusions of the ego. It replaces mundane misunderstandings and false beliefs with pure awareness and true insight. It awakens one to the knowing of absolute truth, understanding the essence of all being.

@Sahil Pandit thanks for answering why would you get back into practice asap? I am a bit hesitant to do that atm cuz the dizziness distracts me from studies. Also, I get kind of irrational thinking that something is wrong with my nervous system, or that I am somehow harming myself, as I can’t really find anything about the dizziness related to meditation on internet. jerks and body movements? sure. But the dizziness from meditation does not seem like a well-known phenomenon.

@Jkris here u go

Hey guys! Sorry for long post but this is something that I have been thinking about al lot. And I have been thinking about posting this for a long time. I guess I am in need of some perspectives Just to set the stage.. Been on this path ever since my first mystical experience 4 years ago. Last year I decided to go to India. The reason being that my cousin lives there, and she lives in this Ashram and she is a student of an Enlightened man. She met him when she was traveling Europe in her early twenties and the guy had such profound effect on her that she just decided to move to India with him and stay there. Apparently, the guru was traveling Europe to teach outside India. What he is teaching is bhakti yoga. As for those who do not already know Bhakti yoga is a spiritual path or spiritual practice within Hinduism focused on loving devotion towards a personal god. And this last words "personal god" is where I got problems. I was traveling to India with and open mind and a hope of progress. Long story short, I ended up really struggling with their teaching. As I have more of a background in the Buddhist philosophy, the ideas of a soul, super soul and a personal god was very alien to me. I was doing my best to translate their teaching into my own language, believing that it was all a matter of playing with words, and that its all different ways to point to the same truth. But I was wrong. Many in the ashram was very specific that this way of spirituality differ from Buddhism and that even the realizations are different. It might be noteworthy to say that the book they are studying is bhagavad gita. Anyways, I was told that there are especially two ways of practicing spirituality and that is: The personal vs. The impersonal path. Are any of you guys familiar with these concepts? The guru basically said that one will have different awakenings depending on which of these two paths one is most align with. The impersonal realizations is to realize that everything is one/emptiness/Brahman, and that one can have these realizations by detaching from the material world. And that this is regarded as the ultimate truth in Buddhism. However, I was told that this is not the highest form of spirituality and that there is higher awakenings beyond this where on starts to realize the more personal aspects of god. The metaphor that was used was that the impersonal realizations one/emptiness/Brahman is seeing the sunlight, a sense that there is something there. But that the personal path will ultimately lead you to too see the sun. In other words, in the ultimate reality god has form, and that by realizing our own spiritual body one can start to have a real personal relationship with god. This is where i personally started to struggle. If god is personal, and if god has form.. That means that the ultimate reality is dual? This did not makes sense too me. Reality must ultimately be nondual I argued. But I was told that its actually both nondual and dual at the same time. The way they go about their spiritual practice is also very different from anything else I've seen as well. They focus on relation, both to God himself and others. And that detachment is not key, attachment to others, and loving devotion towards a personal god is key in order to have this personal realizations. I would also like to add that they are very clear that this is not religion. And that religion is for those who are at lowest stages of consciousness. I understand if this sounds like bullshit to many of you, and even though I don't know if I fully trust the guru yet, I do trust my cousin. And she says that she has had many awakenings after she started following his teachings, both personal and impersonal and that there really is a difference between those two. And that we are not merely playing with words. Do any of you guys have knowledge about this form of spirituality. Any thoughts? I appreciate anything

Just saw this YouTube lecture and I believe he is really onto something. I don't think the science community is taking him seriously, some even laugh at him. Might be because they are stuck in the materialist paradigm? Would love to hear some thoughts

@winterknight I have had moments in self-inquiry where it feels like I am losing control. It feels like I am disappearing. It gets very intense and when I cannot find myself my heart starts beating fast and the self-inquiry is always ended due to panic and fear. I know I write in self-contradicting ways but am I onto something? I wonder because I had my first satori 3 years ago. It did not happened in self-inquiry or meditation. It was completely spontaneous. The interesting thing Is that it was like a quantum leap into "I am" without any fear or panic. how could my ego die so easily at that moment, and why does it resist now? thx

Would be an awesome conversation indeed except for the fact that people in general would not get anything out of it.. since they only accept science as a legit source of insight.. which is sad. If leo was to describe that he got his answers form psychedelics and meditation, people would dismiss it as religious nonsense. However, Jordan seems open to the idea of getting any value out of psychedelic trips, which is good. @Leo Gura After you have awakened and got what you wanted, I hope to one day see you out there having these kinds of conversations. Not because it’s fun, but because it is important. It will be hard.. But Humans need to reach higher states of consciousness as AI´s soon will go beyond our mental capabilities.

what is up guys I have contemplated allot about "no self" these last weeks and while I was just doing my ordinary meditation practice before bed, something scary happened. I was focusing very deeply on the space behind my eyes and I kept surrendering the thoughts that was appearing in my consciousness. I just kept surrendering thoughts and I went deeper and deeper into awareness, and slowly began to identify as the witness. As I was doing this, my heart rate was speeding up. But quite suddenly I got the feeling of disappearing, and I felt and that there was literally nothing behind my eyes, and that there was no one in this body. I know conceptually that no self is the truth but the slight direct experience of it FREAKED me out! I stopped the meditation practice and opened my eyes. but the feeling of being empty inside was still there and this was when I got really scared. At this point my body was shaking and I had to get up form bed to ground myself. irrational thoughts about going crazy was running through my mind, and It felt like I was inducing some sort of a panic attack, instead of a profound insight. In retrospect, it has become quite clear to me that what I was experiencing was just my ego resisting what was happening. I guess what I don’t understand is why does my heart begin to beat fast? And what will I find on the other side if I push trough this panic? is this what I have to go through in order to have and Enlightenment experience? Any thoughts guys? Appreciate it

@Truth Addict nope, I cant relate to that. If you have panic attack everyday i think its time to see a doctor