Ananta

@Nichols Harvey "Can we stay on topic please? It's incredibly rude and actually disrespectful to derail Dan's thread with an unrelated grievance." ............................... Didn't you say this above ^ just yesterday? But, now here you are derailing talking about Emerald. Also, you haven't said a word to @Fidelio about derailing either. So, it's ok to derail as long as you're interested and/or participate? "Do as I say, not as I do"...got it.

I understood that. I just don't believe him.

47

Correct. The aspect of the ego (I-thought) that identified itself with awareness (as an independent, volitional, entity), realizes it is not what it thought it was. This happens when the apprehension of one's true Self (awareness) obtains within the intellect (the discriminating faculty). The ego is an aspect of the intellect (the intellect is an aspect of the total mind). So, there is a "knowing", a recognition, that I am not what I thought I was. Then, once this "knowing" is seen clearly, there is a "shift" in identity. In this way, one could say the ego is trancended. It will still arise, but no longer taken seriously. The I-thought will arise anytime there is experience to be had. For all experience needs a phenomenal subject and object. You, awareness, are the witness (so to speak) of the the experiences. It will also arise pertaining to the body (ie. "I'm" hungry, thrist, tired, happy, sad, ill, healthy, ect, ect). It is a point of reference for the body. Also, without this reference you wouldn't be able to function, use the body. Here's the thing, you are awareness/consciousness, not the body/mind. However, the recognition of this does happen within the intellect and since the ego is an aspect of the intellect, it to gains this Self knowledge. It does take time for it to become abiding, also one needs to "assimilate" this understanding into every aspect of one's life. Prior to this full assimilation one says, "I'm awakening". Meaning there is a back and forth shift, between identification with your "story" and ego vs. Your true identity, awareness. Even when identification shifts to your true Self, "association" with the body/mind continues. Therefore, an "I-sense" remains, it exists, its just not "real".

OP, it sounds very "spiritual", but sounds like total rubbish to me. What would leave the body would be what's called the subtle body. If it were to leave in Samadhi a piece of metal wouldn't prevent it. As well as the gross body wouldn't age 20+ yrs because of the subtle body being ejected. Essentially, that's the same as an out of body experience or a NDE.

Recognition and identification with your true nature doesn't make you brain dead. You will still have preferences, likes/dislikes, opinions, ect. It's all a part of the "play". I will not respond again, as I don't want to further derail this thread, more then I have already.

@Prabhaker Do what you want... I do not wish to derail another thread/topic or continue to derail this one. My apologies to the OP. Too many college English classes on citing sources! Lol.

@Nichols Harvey I just saw your post. Yes, you are right I'm sorry.

Yes, it's not you saying it. Yes, it's not your experience. People should know that... Otherwise, you are just inflating your ego, by getting compliments, ect on writings that had nothing to do with you. If you consider Osho your teacher you can use concepts/words similiar to what he has taught you, in your own writings without it being plagiarizism, but when you copy/paste word for word, you have to cite the source.

You know damn well that most on here are westerners. Therefore, what happens in India doesn't apply. Just cite your source, why are you acting like it's rocket science?. .like you are incapable? I'm beginning to think you want to "be" Osho, therefore you have a much bigger ego problem then most westeners do! Very sad indeed. The fact that you keep replying with ridiculous arguments as to why "you" shouldn't have to cite your source like normal folk, leads me to believe you have something wrong with you. If that's the case, I take pity. Continue to pretend you are Osho.....

Again, it's not hard, if you are copy/pasting, then you need to cite the source.

Good, I will.

Please I took enough college English classes to know what you are doing is damn wrong. If you aren't knowledgeable about citing sources, that's your own issue and mistake.

I'm going to call you out, everytime I catch it, so get use to it.

What you're doing is fine...but cite your damn source! It's not hard, really it's not, write Osho at the bottom. See simple.

Ok, it's like if I were to respond to someone with quotes by Ramana Maharshi or Nisargadatta, but passing them off as my own. It's bullshit! It's plagiarizing and it's disrespectfull to the orginal author. Think about it.

Wow dude, seriously?

I think there is a need. As you are trying to take credit for something you didn't write. Cite your source!

This is an Osho piece. Cite your source.

Hi, The ego is the I-thought, that arises within the mind, although it is a thought, it takes itself to be "real" vs an object, because it has identified itself with awareness. Therefore, it thinks it's an individual, volitional, "entity". This is the false self. This is the "aspect" of the ego that gets "transcended", negated or seen through, so to speak. Instead of the intellect identifying as the little "me", there is identification as yourself, awareness, which is aware of the apparent person you are associated with. There is no difference between this when abiding and "quote on quote", enlightenment. Ego death is not possible. Again, the ego is the I-thought. Ego will continue to arise during every subject-object experience, including subjective experiences . It also continues to arise pertaining to the body.

Since the apparent reality is dualistic in nature.....yes.

I absolutely disagree with this. How can you resolve doubts that arise within the mind, so it will be quite, if you don't ask questions? Of course, in the Vedantic tradition you ask your doubts to a qualified teacher, but a forum will do, I suppose, except there are so many opposing views. Also, Self inquiry requires the mind (logic and reasoning), specifically the intellect. Self realization happens within the intellect.

Here's my take, "you" are unchanging, because, you are awareness, but you're currently "identified" as a body/mind which is an appearance within you, instead of merely being "associated" with it. So, what do I mean by that? The awareness in which you are, believes it is Joseph (do to the ego's conditioning), therefore all the thoughts and/or thinking, that arise within the mind (subtle body), becomes "your" thoughts. You assume they belong to you, because you've taken "ownership" of them. You are aware "of" Joseph, as he exists, you can experience him, but he's always changing, therefore is not ultimately "real". Real being that which never changes and is always present. Even after the realization and assimilation of Self knowledge you will remain "associated" with the body/mind until the death of the body. Still having thoughts, feelings, emotions, sensations, acting you "role" in the apparent world...the difference is there's a shift in "identification", from being Joseph who is aware, to being awareness associated with Joseph. Joseph is essentially an object, with in awareness itself.

God (Isvara- In Vedanta) is a personification of the impersonal "dharma field" (the manifest universe). Isvara is the creator-sustainer-destroyer of all of manifestation, which governs the physical, psychological, moral/ethical laws, as well as dishing out cause and effect relating to karma (action). Isvara came into being by a power within pure awareness itself called Maya, which created the illusion or appearance of the phenomenal world.

The video is very good. You can certainly discover your true nature (Self realization) using this video. However, enlightenment (Moksha- liberation) requires the removal of Self ignorance, through Self knowledge. Point being, you will still go back to ego identification after Self realization if Self knowledge isn't "assimilated" (whereby you identify as yourself-awareness, first and the apparent person you appear to be, second) which takes as long as it takes, but one has to have a proper teaching using a methodology, usually, to obtain this knowledge. Unless, Self knowledge is extrapolated from the experience of "Self realization" sufficiently to remove one's ignorance (identification with the little "me). Which was the case for Ramana Maharshi.