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Enthropy increases with time.

You had a thought about having no thoughts about forums?

Try to get off the forums if you can. It's designed to be addictive and basically sucks.

In one reality, another version of you gets into his car and every day it fails to start, but it's just bad luck. The mechanics can't find anything wrong with it. In another reality another version of you steps out of the house and it rains, every day , day in, day out. In my version of reality, Justin Bieber exists! Horrendous!

I don't know, but apparently even the "shrooms" have a spoken voice. Even if that be some other level of thought conjoured up to be an alien voice, now friggin deep does that go? - Presumable that there are other levels of human experience that translate up through layers of consciousness as language?

I don't get many insights, but if I explain how one recently happened to me. it might be a good example. I had been doing some self enquiry, and wasn't really sure about any results, I finished and carried on with my work. Then suddenly as I was working, thinking something else, something hit me like a bolt out of the blue and the hairs on my neck stood on end, and I knew, "it's not possible that "I" am a personality made of cumulative stored experiences, because this is simply nonsensical and not possible". And the traction with the thought is huge and undeniable. The statement itself doesn't provide much in way of an explanation, but nonetheless is a fact I can't deny.

I would realise that it wouldn't matter if I did or didn't do anything, and what I did set out to do both occurred and didn't occur everywhere in infinity.

I used to stare at the sun as a kid and I have a form of nigh blindness. For instance, when I look directly at stars they disappear. It's permanent.

Thank you for all the comments - very interesting. Serotoninluv, I can assure you I haven't "projected" anything at all as all I have done is ask a question in a very open, even "feminine" way, and so there is nothing to project. The link which I asked people to comment on, I paste the part I was referring to here: "Herein lies a sticky situation when applying psychedelics as tools for spiritual development: repeatedly using them for the ‘cerebral big-bang’ effect, can cultivate the ‘perception’ of development while only re-enforcing the need to continue taking psychedelics in order to maintain that (potentially) false perception. Thus, simply taking psychedelics and having the big trip does not create spiritual maturity in a person (though it may lead one into believing that such maturity has been gained). Spiritual maturity requires a regular process or practice of some type to bring the essence of wisdom that a psychedelic experience offers into one’s life as a whole. If spiritual maturity is what one is seeking in psychedelic experiences, successful integration is key. This means taking time before hand and afterwards to allow the perspectives obtained within such an experience to sink in. This means that before telling everyone about what happened in the experience or taking more psychedelics, one allows what was unlocked within the psychedelic experience to be held in one’s mind until the time that it becomes a natural expression of one’s self. For some this may be a few days, for others it might be an entire lifetime. It is possible to help the process of applying the insights of a psychedelic experience into one’s life as a whole. The most important factor in helping this along, as far as I have found, is cultivating a daily ‘spiritual’ practice of personal value. “Spiritual practice” means anything that brings awareness into a sense of being connected with a deeper, more mindful expression of one’s self. “As a whole” means the insights obtained in a psychedelic experience are applied to help cultivate mental-emotional wellbeing, physical health, socio-economic stability, self-awareness, compassion, empathy, creativity, clarity, honesty, etc., in whatever way expresses the individual’s honest (as in unpostured or unguarded) self. At this point, it seems pretty clear to me that unless the grand experiences of psychedelics are applied into life in a way that unlocks one’s ability to perceive the beauty and fullness of the ordinary, day-to-day moments (outside of the trip), their benefit as a tool for spiritual maturity is being wasted. Thus, coming back to the discussion of repeatedly getting on and off the stone, the effort to keep going back, over and over again, with the hopes getting the next big mystical experience, as if it will tell you something new, when the previous one hasn’t even been integrated, is escapism at best. And at worst, an unconscious ego pattern to self-justify illusions of spiritual maturity and grandeur."

Yes, but I didn't actually say or mean "authentic self". Authentic as in authentic in spiritual or growth / experience. Not fake or bogus in it's effect, or worse still, damaging, not making easy for later meditative progress, it hints on this in the link I posted above which gives various different perspectives, it does seem possibly if done improperly. PsiloPutty, I've read that twice, it's mind blowing if a little scary.

Great Stuff

If anyone is interested in the original question posed by this thread, I found this article which seems to nail it (but what do I know), but what I mean it seems a lot more grounded which sometimes you need between listening to Leos videos> no offense Leo but the Life is a dream video is so off the wall, I had to check my head was still screwed on after listening to it. http://psypressuk.com/2014/06/23/spiritual-growth-and-psychedelics-2/

This emoticon bears no purpose other than ones I can think of retrospectively, which purposes I probably made up anyway, to give me a reason for doing it so there it is.

PsiloPutty, if you have any resources or can tell me about your first shroom planning I would be very interested to find out. I have no idea what the first dose should be for meditative work, I'm not planning on near death experience! Also, I expect I can goo-gle it, but what to do with a clutch of shrooms, can they be frozen, and no, I don't know a single sole on this planet who needs shrooms! lol

Is it possible to hypothetically create a version of separateness which is not painful, say in another universe? How much of mankind's unhappiness is just because of his particular form and function? Or does your original question only pertain to humans on Earth? I'm sure in other universes there could be beings who aren't ego centred and who are born as their universes expands and die when the universe collapses dies, and won't know of anything to fear because the concept of death wouldn't exist.

Can you give an example?

Otherwise people wouldn't be jacking up 5LeoDMT if nothing affected the mind...

It's not outside your mind though caffeine is it? After you've drunk it, all through the blood stream and mind.

Anyone find meditating after morning coffee is a no-no? I had to cut down coffee so won't relinquish my last one. However looking for "gaps between thoughts" technique reveals thoughts, mainly visual one after another. Is this just lack of practice or could it be the caffeine?

You don't think it was just that I slipped into the wrong "kind" of meditation there?

wow very interesting! Not the answer I was expecting!

It's at the very early stage, only just inoculated. Thanks for taking an interest in that. I'm actually a home brewer, so I have a skill in the sterilisation and attention to detail.

Patang, you know about meditation, can you tell me what happened to me here. Firstly, I am the busy guy with no time for meditation, but I contemplate all day long and work alone. This one time I decided to contemplate "Who am I?", eyes shut. But I decided I would like not my brain to ask this question, because brain is basically ego right? Well I kept trying to ask "Who am I?" without any conscious effort, pushing it to the sides of my brain until the question kept being asked without any effort. I could feel my self going into a relaxed meditative state. The question started to change to a muffled mumble, a cross between another language and an animal noise, but the question kept being asked. (Or had it become a Mantra at this stage without intention?) After about 5 minutes I started to feel tired, bored and then sick, I wanted to vomit, but I figured this was resistance from the ego, so I kept going. Then finally when I opened my eyes I had a ball of energy in my pelvis and it was moving right up and down my tummy / back bone to my neck area and back down rapidly, so powerful, up and down, the most amazing thing I had ever experienced. Do you know what it's called? I've heard of chahras is that it? Although I say I don't get much time for meditation this prompted me to continue.

Well, I will post back my thoughts in a few weeks. The shrooms are growing in the closet but wont be ready for a while. I'm still horrified that anyone would buy white powder off a stranger on the internet an ingest it but that's another story. It's really that it's only this forum that has brought me to this point and I am still unsure if it is wise.