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I don't think plants should be the foundation of a human's diet. There was some other tacky graph flying around somewhere on this thread stating how humans should be eating fruit due to how our teeth are and some other misleading points. I have a new graph here which (if accurate) clearly shows we are geared towards eating meat. Now which graph is right is the question.

Hey guys, Been following Leo for a bit over a year now and for about the same amount of time I have been doing serious daily meditation. I have done a 5meo retreat with a shaman along with a cabin isolation retreat a few months back not to mention a few other psychedelic trips and have been making some solid growth (very motivated thanks to discovering spirituality through Actualized.org). I just completed a week in total darkness doing a meditation retreat and have created a video reporting my journey. I appreciate you watching it and feel it can be quite beneficial for people considering undertaking one. Gets pretty funny if you can stick with it to the end. Cheers from Australia, Alex.

I quite disagree. I think in a world of mixed up information regarding nutrition that reports of other's stories are somewhat important. Especially if multiple people are walking a similar path to yours albeit further along then it is something that should be considered. I have also read some super detailed accounts of people healing certain diseases/fixing health ailments through this way of eating and these details often link up very on point to how my own journey/knowledge has developed. Therefore my intuition is largely at play. I also think looking back on history and drawing some conclusions there makes sense and as I have said earlier in this thread, this way of eating makes the most logical sense to me of how humans have lived for most of their existence. I guess my personal journey along with the information which I have extensively researched mixed in with common sense has gotten me to a point where I am willing to run the experiment on myself. Also on top of that my gut is in such a way from years of abuse that I can't even tolerate any plant material right now anyway, it has been a blessing in disguise. Actually you can find science on both sides of the question. Some of the studies and articles I have read claim that meat is extremely nutritious and I am constantly seeing old scientific studies saying otherwise being proved wrong (such as the whole saturated fat gives you cancer thing). All scientific studies have a lot of variables and are often being disproved as time goes on. I realise this is merely an article and probably you are going to call it biased but nonetheless you can see that info can be found on both sides. http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/animal-fat-new-superfood/ I also find it strange that eating an all plant diet one needs to supplement, this doesn't seem natural to me... Whereas on an all meat diet you can actually receive all your nutrients from meat alone. One may argue Vitamin C here but something peculiar happens when you restrict carbohydrates completely, your requirement lessens due to Vit C normally competing with glucose to get transported into the cells: https://zerocarbzen.com/vitamin-c/ http://borntoeatmeat.com/?p=699 This study is done on a low carbohydrate diet whereas I am speaking of a very low carbohydrate diet or even in my case a zero carbohydrate diet. There is a significant difference in how your body metabolises fuel when you go down to a very low carbohydrate diet or less. Look into Ketogenic diets. You can also find that these diets are helping people treat an array of different diseases. Once again science isn't going to (fully) do it for me. There are very little studies done on the Carnivore diet (hopefully that will change in the near future) as it is very new (albeit as old as time) and unconventional knowledge. I will link something recent which has popped up in my Zero Carb group however. 'Crohn's Disease Successfully Treated With The Paleolithic Ketogenic Diet' (ALL MEAT) http://www.ijcasereportsandimages.com/archive/2016/009-2016-ijcri/CR-10690-09-2016-toth/ijcri-1069009201690-toth-full-text.php For all of you who wrongly think meat is so hard to digest, this patient with a very serious digestive autoimmune disorder became healed by eating nothing but. You would be surprised. For certain people (like myself), plants actually are the extremely difficult thing to digest due to their natural defence chemicals (to keep animals from overgrazing on them) and certain people are very sensitive to them due to genetics and environmental factors. Here is a rather unbiased look at the risks AND benefits of eating plants: Here is another great resource which tells of the importance of meat in the human diet. It is an autobiography of an arctic explorer who lived with eskimos and ate nothing but flesh from the land and sea for years. He noticed the high quality of health and life they embodied and therefore took their ways back to America where he ate exactly like this for a full year while undergoing clinical studies...with magnificent results. 'The Fat Of The Land' https://www.amazon.com/Fat-Land-Vilhjalmur-Stefansson/dp/B0000CJQEU

I haven't tried a Vegan diet of any kind and am extremely put off the idea after hearing many testimonials of people who have ruined their health eating that way for years. I will post a document I created of some of these cases writing about their story in my Zero Carb/Carnivore facebook group (just a handful out of literally hundreds). I am not posting this specifically to target vegans and I do respect people trying to do be proactive about their health and environmental conditions, I am simply trying to spread awareness that at least for some it is absolutely counter in terms of achieving lasting long-term health and it also has flaws in regards to environmental sustainability. A good book to check out: 'The Vegetarian Myth' https://www.amazon.com/Vegetarian-Myth-Food-Justice-Sustainability/dp/1604860804 Here is another eye-opening resource that many could benefit from to shake up what they think they know about nutrition (specifically the overhyped and actually very problematic 'fiber' which keeps getting referenced in this thread). This book is called 'Fiber Menace' and it's probably going to be the first time in your life you have witnessed fiber being put under the squeeze like this. Radical open-mindedness required! https://www.gutsense.org/fiber-menace/about-fiber-menace-book.html

I have a formal sitting meditation practice set up and also a formal sitting contemplation practice. Since minimising my lifestyle somewhat I also find myself with some spare time when I am just sitting (informally) doing very little. I am never sure if I should be using any spare time I have throughout the day (such as being on a train) being mindful and getting in touch with my senses (meditating) or rather contemplating certain topics... They seem to go directly against each other because one involves less thought and the other more. Or is it about being especially present while contemplating and treating thought as another sensory phenomena at the same time as focusing on it's content? Also do you guys have a list of insights/concepts that you contemplate which you cycle through per session or do you just go with whatever you resonate with most in that moment? Thanks in advance!

Oh another point worth noting from the video: Out of the apparent 192 types of primates, gorillas both eat the most plant food and have the smallest brains. Not sure if this is to scale or what but funny/interesting nonetheless.

I don't want to go back and forth rebutting the science that you are listing, I feel then we will be going around in circles and for a lot of what you are saying I don't even have a response. I simply want to share some resources which I believe can explain it better than I can and then the viewer can go ahead and make up their own mind. To me all this just makes the most sense though (just how Frugivore Diet does to you ). Also having the direct experience of healing my body. Especially that first video (Homo Carnivorous) is crucial to watch imo. It goes on to say how ALL mammals eat a HIGH FAT/LOW CARB diet, even herbivores such as the gorilla or ruminants like cows and sheep are essentially eating a very high fat/low carb diet even though they are eating nothing besides plant material (mostly carbohydrates). This is due to how they digest and therefore utilise the energy they are receiving from the plants. All proteins/carbs and fibre are actually fermented by bacteria throughout the GI tract of these herbivores and are converted into fatty acids which is what they technically burn for energy. These mammals are not actually even utilising glucose as their primary form of fuel but rather fat. So essentially even herbivore animals are running under the same mechanism as a carnivore who is also getting it's energy from burning fat through eating fatty meat. It also goes on to mention that our unusually large brain development is a direct result of all the fatty meat that was eaten during ice ages when plants weren't available to us and actually since the end of the last ice age (and the birth of agriculture) our brains have started to shrink. There are also studies in there mentioning how vegan's brains are also shrinking over time of not eating animal fat. There are many historical references throughout there such as cave paintings of hunting animals (you don't see cave paintings of berries lol), biblical phrases praising fatty meat, a cosmopolitan look at the role of animal fat and even numerous cultures today still eating a strict carnivorous diet. It compares us to other sorts of primates as well and lists us closest to the few carnivorous types in terms of physiology (most people don't even realise certain primates eat meat). It also mentions how our physiological build doesn't accompany eating a lot of plants due to having a fairly small gut for the size of our mammal (this is also put into analytical detail using a method called Kleiber's Law so you can see how the size of our organs actually compare to what would be expected). For example all of our GI tract is actually smaller than it should be for a creature our size and then our brain is ridiculously big (skip to 24:40 if interested). We are not equipped with the appropriate digestive system to be able to break down large quantities of plant matter. Even take our appendix for example, it is basically non existent (some might not know but actually your appendix does have a purpose and that is to serve as a hub for bacteria to help break down plants). It is crucial that we eat a diet that is very energy dense (fatty meat). Personally can't see at all how we could have such a crazy sized brain (and this growth is listed on a timeline in the video) by eating plants only (let alone fruit only) and then especially with such a limited digestive system in comparison to other herbivores. Lastly it goes on to say that our traditional diet should consist mostly (if not only) of fatty meat. Plants are literally not even necessary at all and actually for the most part problematic (people have different tolerance levels however). I think personally at least eating whole foods is the best way to get started (Paleo) and then considering a Ketogenic Diet (restricting carbohydrates and burning fat as fuel). Certain people consider the Ketogenic Diet to be a starvation diet or something of the sorts and they think the body burns fat only secondary to glucose. Actually I have even read somewhere that the body prefers to burn alcohol above everything. So in reality it goes alcohol>glucose>fat (ketones). When you start to consider this then perhaps it is possible that the human body is burning the most toxic substance first. Humans have no requirements for carbohydrates at all, nothing essential about them. The small amount of glucose needed for brain operations and to send to other organs can actually be created in the liver through a process known as Gluconeogenesis. Maybe some won't have to go as "extreme" as carnivore but my health condition has brought me here (low stomach acid/H.Pylori/SIBO) where I am intolerant to literally most if not all plant material and now I am finally starting to heal myself after years of damage. Regardless of health background I think this way of eating is optimal for all human beings regardless of what else can be tolerated (lots of people transition eventually from Ketogenic/very low carb to Zero Carb and see even greater results). I hope this can at least convince some to have a look at this video:

https://www.quora.com/If-humans-are-true-hunters-and-eaters-of-meat-why-did-we-never-develop-teeth-to-rip-an-animal-apart-or-the-ability-to-chew-and-stomach-raw-meat/answer/Donna-Fernstrom?srid=OpiZ Barry Groves: Homo Carnivorous What We Are Designed To Eat Amber O'Hearn at Ketofest 2017 - The Carnivorous Human Dr Shawn Baker: Carnivore Diet (Zero Carb Diet Plan) Results And Benefits

I just want to leave with you guys another perspective. I have little desire to reply really at all to any comments querying this way of eating (I am still in the process of healing myself so don't want to be some guru representative just yet and also hardly have the time) but this link covers just about everything you might want to know anyway. It is going to ruffle some feathers up no doubt but I would feel strange holding back this information when it is helping me along with 13,000 others (fb group: Zeroing In On Health) around the world have some miraculous health transformations and finally start to thrive after years of damage from eating plants. This is the Original Human Diet/Paleolithic Ketogenic Diet/Zero Carb/Carnivorous Diet. https://zerocarbzen.com You can search through some tabs and read some testimonials, some science behind it (however not too many modern studies been done due to it being new knowledge even though the oldest of all time haha but you can read the concrete science behind why plants can be really problematic for people...think natural defensive mechanisms, research 'salicylates'), the history of it, resources of people who have eaten like this (even in modern times). Even Owsley "The Bear" Stanley who was the sound engineer for The Grateful Dead and a player in the LSD 60's movement claims to had eaten like this for nearly 50 years (I found this interesting with the psychedelic reference and probable high level of awareness). He even went to such extremes as trading things to get an extra sausage when he got sent to jail. He has a whole section on this website where he gives some guidelines to the diet. On top of that there is an about me section from the author who was a long time vegan that became very sick and where a carnivore diet has begun to heal her (there are a huge chunk of cases like this on the zero carb fb group as well). (Don't get all defensive about this but I am just listing what I have seen) I have observed that a lot of vegans first feel good for 5 or so years after coming from such a poor health background but then over time their bodies start to break down from the plant material. This is the case for literally thousands on this group. I don't know if this is the case for all vegans necessarily I just realise that veganism is definitely not the right option for everyone. The way that we see it is that meat is primary and plant food is secondary when meat isn't easy available. I feel certain people's bodies can just tolerate the plant toxins better. I highly recommend you guys at least browse it briefly, however I understand for some of you your belief systems are really going to stand strong and get in the way of getting something so radical through. Just entertain it, I would love for Leo to try to be open to it as well. I have seriously come to the conclusion (especially through following Leo's Epistemology videos) that knowledge is crazy limited. I am now all about intuitively researching and putting self experimentation as a top virtue. I have had to go through years of sickness and diet struggles to eventually lead me here to where I am finally getting digestive relief, it's pretty fucking nuts! I have been eating literally nothing but meat and salt for nearly 6 months, you don't just do that out of the blue so at least take that as a hint that I might be onto something here. Some on the group for 5,10,15 years in thriving health. Hopefully I can help some people out here who might feel forced into having to quit eating meat which their body is naturally craving, especially a hot topic in spirituality circles. I understand I am just some random and this is my first post on here but I just felt like this was the time I really had to contribute. Hopefully I will get more deeply active on the forum in the future when time allows (if I'm not banned for eating this way lmao). Remember don't expect big responses from me, no need to defend or have a war here. I seriously just wanted to get the information across for the potential help of others, I am very passionate about it. Maybe right for all, maybe right for some but at the moment too many of us think that it's right for none. It is actually a modern tragedy.