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Well, in non-dual direct realization all sense percpetion are realized as impersonal, empty Awarness. When you say 'other beings', it's really just part of your visual field. How to you make the transition, that this aspect of the visual field, for example 'another being', is being experienced by (the same) infinite awarness at the same time, but 'outside' your visual field?

Have you become conscious of being/having other POVs simultaneously to yours (as infinite awarness), like the image displays or do you hold this as belief?

Is that you?

But the Absolute and the Manifest are one Totality, one Wholeness that cannot be seperated. How can you say then, that the Absolute is not also Unconditional Love, or that it is something that can be somehow reduced/turned off?

@Water by the River What do you make out of teachings like 'The Course in Miracles', 'The Law of One' or 'Bashars Channelings', that state that Unconditional Love is the frequency of existence itself and that love is the essence and the fundamental force in All That Is, encompassing all aspects of existence itself?

@Osaid Sincere question, not trying to bait you here: What is Unconditional Love?

But even that 'switched off manifestation' is not permanent, because it never stays that way, the infinite Singularity always emerges back (or has never actually left). Like Bashar says, everything changes, except for the fact that everything changes. @Water by the River Out of curiosity, what is your realization on Metaphysical Love? If I understand you correctly, you view that as something that can be switched off / something that is not permanent, not fundamental to reality?

The same way you can tune into your fullness aspect (becoming infinite), by having a cessation you 'tune in' (or tune out/unbecome) to the Nothingness that you already are. Why do you hold the Absolute, as in no manifestion/cessation type, superior to the Absolute as the Infinite Singularity? I understand your guidance here, to cut every concept until the mind itself collapses in on itself until reality (groundless, unbound, eternal, impersonal Consciousness) shines forth in its radiant splendor (as it always already was, just obstructed by mind/self-arisings). But the fullness aspect of your true nature is a not concept of unconditional love, it is pure energy. And the word that comes clostest to describing that energy in human language is unconditional love. And you are that infinite Power Source as much as you are Nothing at all.

@Water by the River It's like you have music. Yes it is always music at all times, under all cirumstances, but its volume can increase/decrease. Similar analogy with the light, it is always light, but can shine brighter or less bright, depending on its proximity to the sun

Unconditional Love is not a roll-out pattern of the Absolute, and does not fall into the same category as any higher realms or the N+1's you mention. When I use the word Uncondtitional Love, I do not intend to use it in its dualistic sense (as in opposites) but as an Absolute. Because Nothingness is the Infinite Singularity. Nothingness has no qualities/no limitations and is simultaneously also the radiating Power Source of all Creation. And that very quality of its radiation is Unconditional Love.

Consciousness is both, it is one Truth always accessible, and it also comes in degrees of intensity. Just like a ray of sun can realize that light is its fundamental nature, while moving closer back to the source/sun, it can merge with its source to a greater degree and hence realize/radiate/embody more of its own intensity. And yes, light is still its fundamental nature at all times. But not all the light is accessible at all times, for example when the light of consciousness is broken through the 5 sense prism/aggregates called human experience. It should give you to think, what teachings like 'The Course in Miracles' or all the NDE reports bring back, @Osaid you dismissed them way to easily as just being ephemeral and something that is solely hold in memory. In particular NDE'lers report that what you are right now, is already fundamentally unconditional love, just that when consciousness unties of the filters of human perception (like upon death), a much greater degree of that unconditional love is accessible to itself. Just like LuciaLorn teaches, awareness is present in all experience, but consciousness can begin to unfold/open up to the greater expanse of its infinite wholeness. So Consciousness (as in the fundamental nature) and the degree of it's own intensity are one and cannot be reduced to just its fundamental nature. This is where Peter Ralsont has not become conscious of the degree of light/unconditional love that he can radiate as / embody / realize (and where I agree with @Leo Gura) , because his consciousness, like all of us, is limited by the 5 sense prism, which allows to fully realize your true nature itself, as absolute consciousness, but is limited to which degree your true nature (as unconditional love) can be realized / shine forth. You are the Absolute, but the degree to which you radiate as unconditional love varies depending the limitations you have placed upon yourself. And that unconditional love is not something the Absolute is manifesting, but it's the very quality of itself. I know @Water by the River that you write that the Absolute manifests the Infinite Singularity, as in giving birth to it. This is where I would like to differ, and just as LuciaLorn wrote, the Absolute shines forth as Unconditional Love/the Infinite Singularity, those two have never been separate, they are one and always have been. Just like the Yin/Yang sign portraits.

@Water by the River Great, thanks!

Do you have/recall resources that give you an in-depth technique rundown on Trekchö/Togyal-practices? Which Wilber book is that?

@Water by the River So where do you see the difference between full enlightenment how you view it and Rainbow Body enlightenment? How come some masters realize the rainbow body (full dissolution into light) before the physical body dying, while other manifest it upon death where they only leave hair and nails, while other masters don't manifest it at all despite being fully enlightened?

@Water by the River How would you know, you are not mistaken Nothingness for Pure Divinity? I understand that your measuring stick for full enlightenment is the complete falling away of seperate-self arisings (however sublte). This is already the case upon realizing Nothingness. But still, a few teachers manage to go a step further and realize Pure Divinity. To quote David Buckland on Pure Divinity: "It is not easy to describe as it is without form. It is prior to all creation and any distinctions. But it is with a power and potency beyond conception. We discover even infinite consciousness that contains all of creation is but a pale shadow of divinity." In another blog article he writes: "Before awakening, we engage in self development. This is a person getting to know its strengths and limitations and moving towards self-actualization. Most people are oblivious to their own cosmic nature. After awakening and throughout the development of the stages of Self Realization (Cosmic Consciousness) and Unity, the focus shifts to infinite and eternal consciousness. This is discovering our deeper nature and its dynamics. It is consciousness getting to know itself in essence, then in forms and phenomena. And yet, just as the person obscured our deeper nature, the screen of consciousness acts as a covering for what is beyond it. This is just like a movie screen hides the speakers and equipment behind it. When we go beyond consciousness and the subtle duality of Being, we have the chance to recognize the origins of consciousness. We can see how alertness and liveliness stir each other into Consciousness, then Consciousness becomes aware of itself and expression begins. Consciousness becomes its own observer and screen. Beyond consciousness is Nothingness. Nothingness knows itself. We might say Nothingness is conscious but is not self-interacting, just self-knowing. And yet, what is the origin of those core aspects of consciousness? What motivates any experience at all? Nothingness doesn’t answer this. When we settle deeper into Pure Divinity, the source of the source, we come to know the origins of all. And yet Pure Divinity is uncreated. It is sufficient to itself. This latter development is primarily a development of clarity and refinement. We have gone beyond consciousness so cannot know Divinity through that. As with Nothingness, the pure divinity of Pure Divinity can be known only by itself. The first stage of Pure Divinity requires it be recognized in the physiology. We have to be it to know it. This may be experienced subjectively as Divinity moving in to the cosmic body (which would already be recognized as one with the local body, hence experienced “here”). Of course, Divinity was always here but because of the nature of Shakti to flow, the opening can be experienced as flowing in. This is essentially the alertness value of Divinity coming on-line here. We also recognize the flows of consciousness are actually the flows of the Shakti’s of the Divine. In time, there is a dissolution of the sense of a distinct cosmic body. It and the physical form merge into a body of divinity. All become aspects of one totality. In Pure Divinity, Stage 2, I outlined a second stage of this – a deeper embodiment of Divinity in a descent, and a further shift from the Nothingness perspective. This is in the nature of the profoundly networked Shakti and a taste of the self-knowing of Divinity. Stage 3 is like another awakening but vastly more subtle. The shift can be like a quiet click. Then it kicks in. This time, it is liveliness coming on-line, the power of Divinity. This is the power that gives rise to all experiences in all time in all beings in all universes simultaneously. Its potency cannot be over-estimated. When it kicks in, it has a rather large value of intensity that takes longer to adjust to than prior openings. As before, the alertness amps way up in our normal daily experience. The awakeness in deep sleep becomes greater than that of the prior waking state which was already vastly more awake than earlier. I’m not sure how much of this is standard and how much related to the process here. Others are having a similar process but language is tricky in such profound abstraction. There is always variations in emphasis and what is noticed.”

'Open mind' was used as a figure of speech, not to point out that it has anything to do with the mind, but to point towards the possibility that realizing Truth/gaining clarity into your True Nature comes as a process of unfoldment, and although once there has been a certain consciousness established about what is what, there are still aspects that have not been realized when for example pointing out the difference between realizing Nothingness and Pure Divinity. @Osaid @Water by the River I am aware that teachings like Peters go into saying that Truth is already Truth and you either get it (get clarity on) or you don't. But this is just one style of teaching, an artistic choice that makes it seem like gaining clarity is a binary thing (you either become conscious or you don't). On the other hand, you have teachings that emphasize on levels and shifts and walk you through each level of realization until culminating in enlightenment. I am aware that this culmination is nothing that is not the case already now, but nevertheless the whole shebang is usually not revealed in one fell swoop. Hence I was pointing towards the possibility that was has been described as 'Pure Divinity' might still hold the potential to be realized by both of you. A deeper dive into Pure Divinity can be found here. To rephrase the original intention of my post, another quote by LuciaLorn: "Awakening to being the unbounded pure Awareness in which all experience happens is only the beginning, not the end. It's the basic platform upon which Consciousness can begin to unfold the finer, more comprehensive realities of itself. Consciousness shifts to broader and broader perspectives and perceptions of itself as it opens to the greater expanse of its infinite wholeness. It reveals finer, more divine dimensions of itself, which have been right in front of you, in the appearance of the body, surroundings, nature, world and universe all along. From the perspective of Awareness itself, there are no levels. There is only one homogeneous wholeness. The idea of going through different levels or states, to become what you already are, is a joke to Consciousness. It is just another concept and barrier to enlightenment. It is only after Awakening to being pure Awareness itself, that you can begin to appreciate what is really meant by higher levels and states of consciousness. The term "Higher States of Consciousness" refers to the increasingly more expanded perspectives that Consciousness experiences of itself after Awakening to being unbounded pure Awareness. It is not the individual mind that awakens to being pure Awareness, nor is it the individual mind that experiences higher states of Consciousness. It is pure Awareness itself, your real Self, that shifts to broader perspectives of itself and reveals finer perceptions of its own divine fullness. It is not possible to understand, or even imagine, what it is like in these States until they are experienced. The mind cannot comprehend that which is beyond its experience and which words are incapable of expressing. After Awakening, there are unmistakable shifts to even broader perspectives of Consciousness of itself that cannot be missed. Once clearly experienced and firmly established, there is no falling back from them. In each state, Consciousness experiences a wider frame of reference and greater clarity of itself from a completely different perspective. Knowledge, perception and reality are experienced different in each state, even though its basis is always the same one field of unbounded pure Consciousness. Writing about these states of Consciousness is not meant to add more knowledge to your storehouse of concepts. You should know that there are indeed higher states of Consciousness that are simply clearer states of experience of reality as it is. They are revealed in the natural course of the unfoldment of Consciousness to the natural state of full enlightenment."

@Osaid I think there is no dissonance here, Enlightenment is total clarity about what is already the case. What I'm advocating though, is that there is still greater clarity to realize, beyond the awakening into your nature as Nothingness and to keep an open mind, that this could be the case. That final 'recontextualization' of the present moment will reveal itself as pure divinity, which is was Nothingness has been all along.

@Water by the River @OsaidIt feels like you two have begun teaching from the place of realization of Nothingness. What you miss imo, is that the awakening to Nothingness is still followed by the awakening to Pure Divinity. If I may quote from the book “The Incredible Reality of You” by LuciaLorn. This is the last chapter of the book, the previous chapter talked extensively about the realization of Nothingness. -------------------------------------------------------------- “- The ultimate miracle - If perception opens to a pivotal point of clarity, another shift in perspective occurs. Nothingness awakens to the true supreme source of infinite power within itself that is the primal motivational force behind Consciousness and all apparent existence. That power source has been disguised in the appearance of existence all along. The sun of divine power that was rising on the horizon of infinity now shines brightly as the pure power source of Supreme Divinity in all its divine radiance and splendor. The ultimate force behind Consciousness (and its divine cosmic Intelligence that appears as the body, world and universe) is revealed, and that indescribable supreme light source of pure Divine Radiance becomes the dominant perspective from that moment on. Beyond existence and nonexistence, hidden deep within the Nothingness, that Supreme Divinity is the initial intention and essential spur to Be. It is the primal cause of everything. It is the original motivating force that drives creation, evolution, destruction, annihilation and recreation. Pure Divinity is the supreme source and cause of all cause and effect, it is eternal and absolute, without beginning or end, it always was and always will be. That supreme power source has been in the thoughts and on the lips of everyone that has ever lived, if only on the level of faith, belief, disbelief or condemnation. It has been theorized in philosophies and sciences and has been universally acknowledged and sought after in all religions and spiritual traditions. It has been called by many names: God, Universal Mother, Divine Mother, that which cannot be uttered, the Supreme Divinity, the Supreme Lord, and so on. Although generally conceptualized by the mind as being a Divine entity, Pure Divinity is an unlimited field of pure divine power beyond all concepts and entities – the power behind Consciousness itself to create, or even conceive of, entities, forms or phenomena. There are no words in any language capable of describing that supreme Divinity. Rare are those who have glimpsed that pure radiant light, more powerful and brilliant than that of millions of suns. There are countless aspects and qualities of divine intelligence responsible for creating and maintaining the appearance of creation. Each one is so exquisitely majestic and divine, that even a glimpse of one of those qualities in its pure divine flow can be overwhelming. Yet, all those qualities combined cannot compare to the ineffable radiance of the eternal, boundless reality of the pure Supreme Divinity that is the ultimate power source, hidden deep within the Nothingness. This pure divine power Source is the generator that sparks the luminescence in the eternal light of unbounded pure Consciousness. It is the initial incentive in the hollowness of the seed of pure Nothingness causing it to sprout into Consciousness and Intelligence, and flower into the appearance of creation. Life is not the miracle. The real miracle is the incredible Supreme Divine Power that gives life, and appears as, all life. It is the cause, the essence and the whole of the sense of Being, the mind and the body, the world and universe, and all existence. It is hidden deep within the alive Presence around you right now. It is the unseen supreme causal energy force of pure Divine Light that appears as your body and everything all around you. It is the incredible Power of Illusion. - The Supreme Power of Illusion – This Supreme Power of Illusion has been disguised as Consciousness, Intelligence, the universe, everyone and everything, all along. Once this perspective has been revealed, there is no going back. It becomes clear that there was never an individual person evolving towards enlightenment. You have been unbounded pure Consciousness unfolding and awakening to the total divine reality of itself through individual and world appearance all along. Consciousness is Consciousness due to the subtle impulse inherent in pure Nothingness to know and to Be. That stimulus is pure Supreme Divinity, the ultimate power source and force creating Consciousness and the universal Intelligence that appears as all existence in the first place. It is the true cause and the supreme source of the source. There is no distinction between Nothingness and its Supreme divine power, just as there is no distinction between God and the will of God. It is one thing. Yet, without that primal pure intention of Divine Will, there would be no Consciousness and no cosmic Intelligence to create and uphold the appearance of creation, and even Nothingness could be not be. The Infinite Silence of pure Nothingness is due to the Infinite Dynamism of pure Divinity. There is no difference between pure Force and pure Silence, yet, remaining as One, pure Force reigns Supreme. The wholeness of non-existence, and all manifest and unmanifest existence, pure Divinity is an unlimited field of the infinite power of Nothingness. Beyond all ideas of He, She or It, the power of pure Divinity is distinctly feminine in character. It is that supreme force that has given birth to everything, including the ability of Nothingness to know itself.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_MNZaCpAws&t=169s Unconditional Love vs human love @Leo Gura @Water by the River @Osaid @Razard86 TLDR: „Merging into the Source was the most intense experience I’ve ever had. And that is one of the attributes of Unconditional Love, its intensity! The emotions that we have, when we’re out of this bodies are far more intense than anything we’ve ever experienced in the body. The body does kind of filter out a lot of the emotions that we are capable of. Imagine being moved to tears by something, like by love, beauty or gratitude. The Unconditional Love that we feel in the afterlife is like a hundred or a thousand times more intense than that. Take that feeling and take away the tears and substitute joy and then turn it around and send it back to yourself. That will give you a tiny little taste, of what Unconditional Love really feels like. When I had a flashback of how I merged with Source and I felt that Unconditional Love, it was so intense that it made me feel sick, it was like being electrocuted. Even though it was an incredible experience while out of the body, while in the body, that level of intensity can be frightening and disorienting, if you’ve never felt it before. Unconditional Love is something that is completely irresistible. That is how we feel when we are drawn into Unconditional Love. And the reason for that is because Source is Unconditional Love, which is not an emotion, it’s not like anything humans feel. It’s actually the words that we use to describe Source’s energy. The closer we get to the Source, the more the energy we feel, the more intense it gets and the more attracted we are. So Unconditional Love is more a sense of being drawn to a power source, than it is a response to another being.”

@Butters obviously it's staged, but nevertheless gives you an insight into how he relates to women.

@Leo Gura Watch Tate go on an actual date. Things escalate quite quickly, somewhere around 44 min he talks about how a woman is his property and how he owns her like a mule. You couldn't make this shit up ? Also, this interview gives you quite a good insight how he must have run his criminal shemes as a sex trafficer and pimp.

TLDR: Upon death of the avatar, consciousness moves to a different reality frame, where it takes some time to decompress, before moving on to planning it's next incarnation.

@SugarcoatAccording to Tom you would only incarnate forward in time, as all those decisions in the past have been already being taken by the players.

@integral "Scared" was just the title of the video itself. I'm currently looking at the data presented here and trying to evaluate, if it's still worth taking caffeine as a performance enhancing drug. He goes into lenght how your brain and gut get rewired and setup for negative long term consequences on your overall health and well being.

Hey @Leo Gura, while @Water by the River has gone to extensive length in several posts to explain and clarify his position on what exactly Absolute Consciousness is from his pov, I see you either repeatedly refuse his take on the Absolute, or you say in general that nobody knows what Consciousness really is. Could you then please clarify and precicely state for all of us what Consciousness fundamentally is from your perspective and where this differs from saying that in full enlightenment one moves permanently from being a body/mind in an objective world to being impersonal, centerless, empty, boundless eternal infinite consciousness floating nowhere, nowhen, nohow, with all traces of seperate self arisings distinguished, with all distinctions/differences collapsed until there is only life left onto itself. In regards to the above statement, if you say to become 'more conscious', do you mean you become conscious of more/other fundamental aspects of God (like empty, eternal, boundless, centreless etc.), or do you mean with 'more conscious' that you become conscious of the exact workings/mechanics of reality itself, like for example becoming conscious how exactly you create/will the entire perceptual field into existence?