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As many of you know, pure 5-Meo-DMT has become available again from research chemical vendors! Many people are interested stocking up and keeping it for the long haul. This thread is intended to provide an outline of the best strategies for storing 5-MeO-DMT (and other psychedelics). With good storage procedure it should be possible to store 5-MeO-DMT for decades with little to no degradation. While this primer was written with 5-MeO-DMT in mind, it applies to other psychedelic compounds as well. It is divided into the sections: Material, Safety, Long term storage, Short term storage Material: The salts of 5-MeO-DMT will resist degradation better than the freebase, so you could choose 5-MeO-DMT in Oxalate, Fumarate, HCl or other salt form as they will all last better than the freebase. Someone on here pointed out that the Oxalate has never before appeared on the market, indicating that this is a fresh batch, so that might be the best un-degraded form right now. OTOH, the other forms could be from a new synth too, I don't know. If you need freebase down the road for vaporizing, there are teks on the web on how to convert a salt form to freebase. If you just want to vape it for short term use, you might as well order freebase. When talking about other compounds, here are some general rules of thumb: The phenethylamines (2C-B, 2C-E, mescaline etc) are the most hardy of the bunch. Mescaline has been found in peyote buttons in archaeology sites still active after hundreds or even thousands of years. Next, the tryptamine class (including 5-MeO-DMT) are a fair bit more fragile and need better care. Of the tryptamine class, the 5-sub ones (5-MeO-DMT etc) seem more hardy than the 4-sub ones (4-AcO-DMT, psilocybin etc). Last, the lysergamides (LSD, AL-LAD) are theoretically the least stable of the bunch, although there is a story of old Sandoz acid being passed around at some gathering many many decades after it was synthed, and it still worked fine. Lysergamides are particularly vulnerable to UV light and the chlorine that's found in most tap water. Safety: Locks - If you live with children or irresponsible adults, it is crucial that you keep these compounds safely locked away. Acquire some kind of small lock box to store your chemicals in. Even without such people around, it's a good habit for long term storage because you don't know what might come about in 10 years. Labelling - It's critical to properly label any stored material. You will forget what is what 10 years from now. Also if someone penetrates your locked box, you don't want them snorting a line of 5-MeO thinking it's something like coke. You might also want to put a note in the box to explain to any intruder what's in there, and to talk to you about it. Long term Storage: Heat, moisture, light and air will be the main causes of degradation, so the general idea is to protect your 5-MeO-DMT from these factors. Here are some points: Sealed and dry: You can keep your 5-MeO-DMT sealed in it's original baggie. Put this baggie inside another baggie, and then inside a sealed container that has some kind of desiccant (drying agent) in it. Silica gel packets that come with some food items are good. Uncooked rice is also actually really good. Good sealed containers include glass canning jars. Amber vials: Some people prefer to transfer the baggie contents to small amber vials, like the ones used for essential oils. You can order those kinds of vials off of amazon or other vendors. Don't reuse old vials because they could have contaminants in them. You could put these vials inside another container containing desiccant. Freezer: The cold of the freezer will greatly slow down any degradation. Put your sealed containers in the lock box if you have one, and then in the freezer, and just leave them in there for years if you want. You *must* have everything sealed really well from moisture when you put it in the freezer, otherwise you'd be better off leaving it at room temperature. Opening your stash: When you need to access your stash DO NOT OPEN IT RIGHT AWAY. Wait until it comes up to room temperature, so just leave it for a few hours to let it warm up. If you open it right away moisture will condense and you'll have moisture issues. Antioxidant: Some people like to add an antioxidant in with the desiccant. The idea is that any oxygen in the container will preferably react with the antioxidant rather than end up oxidizing the drug. I'm not sure the best antioxidant, but you could try vitamin C. None of the desiccant or antioxidant should ever come into direct contact with the 5-MeO-DMT. You can score an A+ on storage by displacing the air in the storage container with a heavy inert gas like xenon. Some extreme wine enthusiasts do this to prevent wine from oxidizing after they've opened it up. A bit excessive if you ask me, but certainly takes it to the next level. Short term Storage: For short term storage the same principals as above apply, but you can afford to be a little less careful. Any amount that you will want to use in say the next few months or year, you could keep in short term storage. Keep your small amount in a small baggie or amber vial, optionally put that inside a larger baggie sealed with silica gel packets. You might get away with "locking" it in one of those plastic child-proof medicine bottles that prescription meds come in. Better to have it behind an actual lock though. Again, label it. Store at room temperature, somewhere cool, away from any light, and discreet. Notes: What an amazing time we live in! Never before in history has it been possible for millions of people to access this chemical key to directly unlocking mystical states of consciousness. Only since the early 2000s has this compound been available on the web, and even then it's always been off and on. Before that only rare chemists and their friends had access to it. There are no guarantees as to how long this door will stay open so act wisely, share carefully and with love. Feel free to comment with any corrections/additions/notes etc. I will continue to come back to edit this for clarity and updates.

Yes, it's definitely not clear in my mind if the PM system is a net benefit or problem, and I very well could easily be in the minority for even questioning it. I wanted to bring it up because I think it warrants discussion, so thanks for engaging in it. On the one hand it can allow people to connect like you said, on the other hand it could be fertile ground for nonsense and confusion out of sight of the rest of the community. Also, to be clear, I didn't bring this up as an underhanded criticism of the screen-shotted interaction between Nahm and Soonhei. To me, all that illustrated was the potential for general missed opportunities via the PM system. This is not a reaction to their specific dialogue, we truly don't know the details of what happened there.

Soonhei's suicide has led me to do some serious thinking about my relationship with Leo's teachings and this forum. @Leo Gura is correct that when someone dies in the backcountry, or an airplane goes down, we don't cancel camping or ban flying. When this happens search & rescue and the airline industry conduct a rigorous post-mortem in order to make changes that reduce risk. Because of this approach, commercial flight has today become safer than driving. Following is my own post-mortem analysis, do with it what you will, apologies for the length. I've divided it up into 3 spheres: 1. Leo's Teaching Leo's teachings have helped stupendously more people than they have harmed. Just looking at suicide, it seems clear that he has literally saved many people's lives. This is a great achievement alone, let alone all of the people who he has helped along the way in less dire situations. However, I would be dishonest if I didn't voice concern over some of his language. I believe some of it can easily be misunderstood and lead a person like Soonhei down the wrong path. This is not meant as an attack, I truly intend this as sharing a perspective, hopefully in the most (tough-) loving way possible. I hope this can help fortify Leo's teachings, and this community's response to them. Disclaimers and warnings are a great idea, and will help. However the issue will remain that people will ignore them, think they don't apply to them, or skip them altogether. There can be the assumption that warnings are a fake covering-your-ass thing, put in place to meet legal requirements, or youtube guidelines etc. I think many of us are conditioned to ignore warnings to some degree. In my opinion, the true caution has to go right down to the core of the language in the teaching. To give a concrete example, Leo has said on more than one occasion that he has "literally died". Now, this is clearly not true in the normal medical sense of what people mean when they literally die. I would hope that even a confused person would see this, but it sets a tone. In my opinion, this is too dangerous a phrase. There needs to be a very, very strong line in the sand between ego-death/transcendence and literal medical death. Again, I want to stay positive here, Leo is an extremely talented speaker, and it's impossible to deliver 100s of hours of lectures without an occasional error. I wouldn't last 1hr tbh. This is intended to hopefully shine some light. 2. This Forum I value the diversity of respectful viewpoints and discussion on this forum. I also support mild censorship to ban and closing of terrible and unproductive threads, and aggressive or useless discussion to keep this forum from becoming a generic free-for-all. There are more than enough platforms for talking shit. As a mod, I wish we could have noticed Soonhei's warning signs and intervened. What if. Fuck. I would probably support disabling PMs on this forum. I'm not completely sure about this, but I think it warrants discussion. Perhaps we should have all discussion above board here. I'm concerned that this community is displaying signs of cult-like behaviour. I think we could all do with checking in on the level of pedestalization of Leo and his teachings. Question respectfully, without attack. Check in if what you heard in his video is authentic for you. Check your biases, try not to worship. If someone has a thoughtful criticism of something you have gained from Leo's teaching (or any teaching), observe if this triggers you. I believe that a slight leaning towards an unquestioning and cult-like behaviour in this community contributed to Soonhei's fanatical final act. 3. Personal I've been overly cavalier in not providing cautions on this forum, especially WRT psychedelics. I also regret not voicing and trying to discuss my concerns earlier. I'll be more forthcoming and hopefully loving in my responses and perspectives. I think we all need to adopt the voice of no-self-harm (and no other-harm!) in all of our interactions on here.

@SoonHei committed a spiritual and physical suicide, he jumped in a leap of faith into infinity. Trouble is he left behind his finite family and all those who love him. This community can't be held solely accountable for the choice of a man, a free agent. But also, we need to take a look at the conditions that helped foster his worldview such that he would come to make this choice. We're interconnected here in terms of thought, outlook, worldview, and the content of actualized.org certainly fed profoundly into his worldview. In that light, I can definitely see how he came to his conclusion. I don't think in 1000 years that I, or most of us would jump. But I can definitely see his line of thought, and how some of the content and ideas around here might lead someone to think this way. We're not in some kind of crisis of being inside a suicide cult, but if we don't deeply address this issue, it will be doomed to repeat here and there. We can't just write it off as collateral damage, or as statistically inevitable. His actions were deeply intertwined with some lines of thought and perspectives floated here.

This is a pretty important topic @SS10 it would be premature to shut it down already.

This needs to be made more explicit

Unless we don't remember the spiritual philosophies that lacked the guardrails against people terminating their lives, because those philosophies died out over time, being unpalatable. Whereas the ones with strong guardrails thrived and are remembered today.

Fuck fuck fuck. How did no one see this post and respond. OMG. I'm so sorry @SoonHei @Muhammad Jawad and all of @SoonHei's family. This is a terrible tragedy.

Let's stay on topic here people, this isn't a thread about Connor, or you.

Fuck. We need to take great steps as a community to inoculate against this kind of thing ever happening again. This is heartbreaking to imagine his young kids growing up without their dad. It's one thing to choose to take your own life, but we all live in a network of people who we love and love us back. Death is inevitable, there's no sense in rushing it.

I've noticed that I have more sweet cravings when I'm not getting enough protein in my diet. It's unintuitive, but you might find the same.

Zwitterionic! @The0Self I learned a new word today

Hah! Right below Amanita muscaria on the priority list for me.

Amanita muscaria should probably be near the bottom of most people's psychotropic bucket list. I haven't tried it personally @Carl-Richard.

I think you mean HCL not HLC. These are two different forms that 5-MeO-DMT comes in. Basically, Freebase is what you want if you're going to vape it, HCL (or fumarate or any of the other salts) are what you'll want if you're going to plug or snort it. Freebase is slightly more potent for the weight, because the molecule doesn't have the hydrochloride (or other) bit stuck to it. HCL will probably have a longer shelf life as it won't degrade as easily. They are the same drug, just in different forms, for different routes of administration.

I think Leo's right that it really varies by the person. I think it also varies a lot by the specific circumstances of the trip. It's very interconnected with what you've been eating lately, what you've been doing leading up to the trip, how your sleep has been, how you choose to react to various body energies, what you're doing when they come up, so on and so on... it's complex. For me personally, LSD and AL-LAD tend to have the least bodyload. I'd put DPT on the other end of the spectrum as having heavy bodyload, and I think this is a common reaction to it. The 2C-X series can have some bodyload, but I find it easy to work with. The tryptamines tend to have an edgier bodyload for me, more tension. Bodyload can be a powerful thing to work with - body energies that can be productive to address, pointing to something that you can work on, with a pot of gold at the end. For example, you might become hyper-aware of some tension or pain in your shoulders, and realize that it's something chronic, and the psychedelic is putting it under the magnifying lens. Then you are able to experiment with movement or postural changes that improve the issue. You can bring that back to earth and change it permanently. Another example is that you might start trembling, and then realize that it's related to some uneasiness you're feeling. You can investigate where this is coming from and address the causes of uneasiness. It might be something that's been semi- or sub- consciously been bothering you but it's never been elevated up enough to deal with it. Sometimes it is just a banal physical side-effect, but bodyload can also be a blessing so it's always worth taking a look at where it's coming from.

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A New Adam Curtis documentary series is out "Can't Get You Out of my Head". It's a 6 part series: If you're in the UK you can check them out on BBC here Outside the UK it seems to be mirrored in various locales, first episode is here I highly recommend his stuff. He has a huge backlog of documentaries made mostly of archive footage and great soundtracks, which take a deep look at the modern world of power, politics, advertising, psychology. Always from a cynical and comedic perspective that's about 45 degrees off from the mainstream perspective. Consume liberally with a mixture of an open mind and tempered skepticism.

Really well put @Tim R your thoughts on this matter are very well laid out here, and I completely agree.

Lol totally. Not even that great technically. As someone pointed out above his perspective lines are all off-kilter. Very unimaginative stuff. He wasn't famous for forgiveness

@Julian gabriel Yes I agree with you as well, you can definitely get in a fight with someone you love. Actually it's the person you're most likely to fight with! And that's where the work is.. not in finding love for Hitler.

Spending energy on "loving" or enjoying Hitler is misaligned for 99% of us. Make sure you love your parents, that annoying guy at the office, your ex, the rival city's sports team, before you spend energy trying to appreciate a monster who sent 6 million jews to the industrial death facilities. If you claim you can love Hitler, but can still get in a fight with your own brother, that's a clue that something might be wrong. His paintings are way better than anything I could do, but if they were in a gallery or museum, without his name attached, they'd be unremarkable and quickly forgotten.

I've received the old school AstraZeneca vaccine. I had a pretty strong immune reaction to the vaccine, just like a 24h flu with lots of aches and fever. No regrets at all, and that immune reaction was nothing outside of what can be expected, or what I was prepared for. I'm very happy to be close to the other side of this pandemic and looking forward to gathering and hugging people and stuff. A bit bummed that the AZ vaccine has been getting shunned, the blood clot risk is super rare, way less likely than getting a blood clot from covid by not vaccinating. But we're in the privileged position to be spoiled for choice with even better vaccines.

Please raise your bar when posting to the High Consciousness Resources sub-forum @Eternal Unity. It's meant to be a place for highly curated, vetted, thoughtful content. It's not a place for posting the latest episode of so-and-so's video blog. For example, you could post a link to Teal Swan's youtube channel, if it hadn't already been done. You should not re-post each episode that she publishes in it's own thread. If you want to highlight as specific post of hers, please paste it into an existing Teal Swan thread (use the search to find it). You're expected to provide a thoughtful quick comment to explain why your post is relevant to the sub. Thank you.

I've had a similar experience, also on a very low dose of psychedelics. The way I interpret it is that it's not really a question of real vs. not-real, it's a subjective experience that is as substantial as something like love - so not really something you can grab onto and measure, but subjectively 100% real. For me it was a feeling of joyous light pouring from/into my chest. I believe the light was yellow for me as well. It felt like a bit opening experience, very yoga or something. It was very unexpected, not the sort of thing I was seeking at all. Actually the kind of thing I had read about before (of course) and just assumed that it least didn't apply to me, and possibly just people's fanciful delusions - you know how people can go on about their chakras and such, and sometimes it just sounds like they're really trying?. Lol then it happened to me..