Socrates

Be more assertive. Kids in highschool are unstable/undeveloped psychologically because of social condtiioning and insecurities. You are in a really good position as a high school student reading high quality books and doing the self development work. I don't say be an asshole, i say be assertive, confident and hold your ground. If you lean too much on the kindness side, tweak it a bit towards the assertive/confident side. I actually believe you can get away with anything in high school if you own your confidence and do you unapologetically.

@Leo Gura You probably know what you are talking about reading between the lines but still this basically destroys Life Purpose. There is no need for Life Purpose in a perfect world, only for truth. I have great expections from my life purpose that's why i probably face so much resistance even on entertaining the idea of a perfect world. I can come from a perfect world position just to accept it and move on to improve it but step one just accept the world as it is, i cant wrap my head around it. Also even the idea that i am going to be in a state that everything is perfect and doesn't need any change brings me goosebumps. Even the fact that it doesn't make sense theoritically makes it scary. If it doesn't even make sense why am i supposed to chase it? Yeah too many questionmarks here. Oh by the way, make an effort to stracture a foundational series like the really first videos and the blueprint just a little more concrete to help us guide through. I imagine them like the foundationals of self-actualization series that describe the most foundational concepts of the work we are doing, not just spread here and there but concrete and in stracture from video 1 to video x.

The only one i see that his beliefs have been challenged is you and you aint doing that well. You have no idea what you are talking about. Killing is natural should i kill? Go study logical fallacies, you clearly lack knowledge on the subject. You still talk out of thin air without any knowledge on the subject. The only supplementation vegans need is b12 which is located in bacteria on the soil. So 1000 years ago you would get it just by default when eating seeds, fruits and vegetables from the ground. The age expectancy is reducing at the times we live because of all the high cholesterol foods so yeah you are wrong in this one too. Humans didn't evole to eat a plant-based diet, humans were designed to eat a plant based diet. You still fail to understand that the only reason you consider animal products as food is because you have been indoctrinated into that behavor. You don't need them, they are not healthy, the only reason you consume them is because they are marketed perfectly and they are also really tasty.

@Leo Gura You clearly misunderstood my position here. When i use the "good vs evil" paradigm to prove a point it doesn't mean i embody it. We cannot communicate if i don't use "good vs evil" temporarily. We have overcome the "good vs evil" and "words are concstructs" paradigm, we are above it. This is probably a written language issue though. You don't know what i feel when i say evil if at all. Words by default are neutral so why didn't you set the baseline that there is no attachment to those words. What you have written shifts away from real life. It is all about my mind and its constructions which is like going backwards. The issue i mainly address is how "life is perfect as it is" detaches you from responsibility and action. You focus upon the labbels i use and i focus upon real life issues. Let's take the same hypothetical example with the new Hitler. It doesn't matter if the Buddhist see him as neutral or whatsoever, i practically would do the same, it matters if they are going to do anything to stop him or not. I don't focus on the label, i focus if the problem has been solved or not. Labeling it "evil" is an easy way to refute him for the masses. It is not addressed if they would do anything or not and obviously the new hitler is not the best example but you get the point. If the advanced paradigm of the Buddhists doesn't aid in the creation of a ideal world longterm but only serves itself by making them enlightened and fuck everyone else, is it that pragmatic and advanced? Also in regards to judgment my points are really nuanced and reffering on the micro level. On the macro we agree how toxic judgment is but the micro is not addressed at all. I became aware recently that in order to make a desicion i need to judge stuff as good or bad and i suppose many other people do the same. Is this kind of judgment toxic? If yes, how am i still going to make accurate desicions without using judgment? If not why wasn't that adressed in the video? We are on completely different page here at least you addressed my points with one sentence but still that doesn't cut it.

Do you read emotions too? Natural is not an argument. The person that eats mainly seeds, vegetables and fruits needs technology and not the person that eats the end results of factory farming. google search iron sources, b12 supplement (cyanocobalamin)

@electroBeam Your intellectual inconsistency is insane. Of course you need b12 supplementation as a vegan. The problem is you link "studies" that can be literally be refuted with a google search. How can you be vegan and dare to site those kind of "studies"? Also what kind of vegan would "refute" on veganism with "studies"? You dont need any animal products for ideal health, this is the point here.

This is so freaky. I had the exact same thought today.

@electroBeam Your ignorance is more dangerous. Taking the first article out of biased and sellout websites like authority nutrition and putting it here as a proof, is dangerous. If you were into it for the truth you wouldn't do that but you read what you wanted to read so research done. This is your problem, you are really ignorant. You don't know jack shit about nutrition but you still form an opinion out of thin air just because it justifies your current behavor. You then find corrupted sources that prove your position correct and bingo you made a conclusion on veganism. I mean it is productive to shut your brain off with spirituality but have you forgotten how to turn it back on?

Well fucking said @pluto & @WaveInTheOcean

I have the power of now literally sitting next to my bed for 3 months now and haven't started it yet. Is it that good?

"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." You can refute his points with one sentence. Suffering, depression and suicidal tendencies are not such rigid unpreventable and unfixable states as he is describing them.

@Leo Gura Well stated here. Although does it really change anything to tweak the argument? Like they are many people who are completely aware of non-duality and wait for vegan advocates to drop their moralizing aspect to switch. It seems more likely that the message should be tailored for the reciever who is highly unconscious (of course not intentionally by Gary). At the end of the day it is better to make his kind of argument than non at all. At least there is some action involved in his case that is actually helping.

@Michael569 Yeah for sure, as Socrates said "The secret to change is to focus all your energy, not on fighting the old, but building the new". My point here goes deeper. If our work here has margin for even the possibility of not understanding my simple argumentation, something needs to be fixed. It also shows how cognitive bias rules this human machine and that is extremely important for us if we want to be objective and improve.

@Michael569 No dude it doesn't work like that. The cognitive dissonance takes the steering wheel of the conversation and then it is a mess. They bring up spirituality and all kinds of woo-woo and theoretical stuff that don't have anything to do with the real world. You need to bring up real arguments and shift the conversation back to reality where your actions actually have some meaning in order to nail this point down. But when you have so many preconceived notions about reality, ethics, morals, good and bad you can't do that.

@Leo Gura Thanks for your lip service. Again you mamble with this stuff to dodge every responsibility. You know exactly what he is advocating but instead prefer to see the projections and not focus on the good message that can create a better world for you and everyone around you (including sentient beings).

"Seeing the half full side and being grateful for it and seeing the half empty side and say can i do anything about it? and if not can i accept it?"

@Loreena What do you think about rsd?

If i was a conscious girl, dating sites would be the last place i would be looking for dudes. Cold approach is the solution.

Where is the line between self-development and spirituallity: Do they overlap, are they connected once or not at all? Theory vs practise: What goes first? Does armchair philosophy really offer anything? Dealing with all kinds of people: Considering you don't deal the same way with everyone, what are the nuances? Intelligence related to self-development: Does it matter? Do i need to be smart to even understand some stuff let alone use them? More practical everyday stuff: How to find a job, procrastination part2, judjment part2 etc Making your videos more complete: This probably bothers me the most. Although this one would be basically imposible, try making videos more complete. I feel there are alot of grey areas that are not covered on crucial topics which is actually confusing especially on controversial ones.

The fact you think that meat is even food is a result of indoctrination. We have all been indoctirnated to believe meat is food. Like people in the past have been indoctrinated to believe blacks are slaves, jews should die, women are lower class and the earth is flat. Meat is not food, you are not designed to consume it. The only reason you consume it is because it is tasty and you have been manipulated by one of the biggest businesses of this planet. This is where leo has gone terribly wrong, when he says stuff like "no good or evil". In practise yeah good and evil are just thoughts but still that doesn't justify harming other conscious beings, humans or not. In this case the "no good or evil" position is just a tool for apathetic behavior.

@Esoteric Sounds like a good excuse to not take responsibility for your actions. But still you are unethical either you take responsibility or not. They kill so that doesn't make the killing ethical it just makes them unethical.

Perfectly said. That doesn't say anything. They are just spiritual, it doesn't mean anything else. They are humans as well and they have been indoctrinated to that behavior like me and you. If it feels right killing people, you kill people. If it feels right raping women, you keep raping women. It doesn't matter what you feel. There is right and wrong because we are not conscious enough as a society to do the right thing. There is no reason mixing spirituality with veganism, except dodging the responsibility of you actions and this doesnt reffer to the op.

Somehow i had never watched the "how to cure perfectionism" video until today. Although i knew i had a problem with critisism/judgment i thought it was not urgent enough. One day deep into the rubber band excercise my wrist is red from 30 or more times of "punishment" and now i am getting negative emotions on how fucking critical/judgmental I am (awkward laugh ). So is there any other practical way to fix this?

Hey @Leo Gura can you shed some light on here?

I really like this on the macro but it is not true on the micro. In a place that you need a way to evaluate decision a vs decision b, how do you decide? How do you dodge judgment here? I get where you are coming from on this one but still this subject is not related to enlightenment. This falls in the mental masturbation category not in a sense that is not correct but it is irrelevant here. Even if you were enlightened you couldn't get me enlightened just by describing your paradigm. I need to be it and that is far down the road. Rarely effective when criticizing other people but still that doesn't prove anything. I used to get too many ego reactions because people were attaching their egos to their beliefs and the last thing they wanted to face was criticism, they felt threatened. That is why I stopped judging (undeveloped) people. That shows the issue is with (undeveloped) people not with criticism itself. This judgment of specifically criticising people is a subset of the judgment i am referring to and doesn't cover the whole picture. Jumping to conclusion, judgment is the most effective tool so far but maybe this is the time of replacement (?!?!) We agree on the macro and it makes perfect sense but if you want to go with zero judgment all together you need a replacement. Leo judges almost in every video and you do as well. It either is a double standard or there is still some grey area that has not been addressed yet. The most mind boggling thing is that if you need to judge in order to explain why judgment is not helping, this means that you just talk the talk but do not walk the walk. The only way i can see is replacing judgment with another tool of evaluation that is not toxic.