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If i was a conscious girl, dating sites would be the last place i would be looking for dudes. Cold approach is the solution.
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Where is the line between self-development and spirituallity: Do they overlap, are they connected once or not at all? Theory vs practise: What goes first? Does armchair philosophy really offer anything? Dealing with all kinds of people: Considering you don't deal the same way with everyone, what are the nuances? Intelligence related to self-development: Does it matter? Do i need to be smart to even understand some stuff let alone use them? More practical everyday stuff: How to find a job, procrastination part2, judjment part2 etc Making your videos more complete: This probably bothers me the most. Although this one would be basically imposible, try making videos more complete. I feel there are alot of grey areas that are not covered on crucial topics which is actually confusing especially on controversial ones.
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Socrates replied to Nickinicki343's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The fact you think that meat is even food is a result of indoctrination. We have all been indoctirnated to believe meat is food. Like people in the past have been indoctrinated to believe blacks are slaves, jews should die, women are lower class and the earth is flat. Meat is not food, you are not designed to consume it. The only reason you consume it is because it is tasty and you have been manipulated by one of the biggest businesses of this planet. This is where leo has gone terribly wrong, when he says stuff like "no good or evil". In practise yeah good and evil are just thoughts but still that doesn't justify harming other conscious beings, humans or not. In this case the "no good or evil" position is just a tool for apathetic behavior. -
@Esoteric Sounds like a good excuse to not take responsibility for your actions. But still you are unethical either you take responsibility or not. They kill so that doesn't make the killing ethical it just makes them unethical.
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Socrates replied to Nickinicki343's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Perfectly said. That doesn't say anything. They are just spiritual, it doesn't mean anything else. They are humans as well and they have been indoctrinated to that behavior like me and you. If it feels right killing people, you kill people. If it feels right raping women, you keep raping women. It doesn't matter what you feel. There is right and wrong because we are not conscious enough as a society to do the right thing. There is no reason mixing spirituality with veganism, except dodging the responsibility of you actions and this doesnt reffer to the op. -
Somehow i had never watched the "how to cure perfectionism" video until today. Although i knew i had a problem with critisism/judgment i thought it was not urgent enough. One day deep into the rubber band excercise my wrist is red from 30 or more times of "punishment" and now i am getting negative emotions on how fucking critical/judgmental I am (awkward laugh ). So is there any other practical way to fix this?
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Hey @Leo Gura can you shed some light on here?
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I really like this on the macro but it is not true on the micro. In a place that you need a way to evaluate decision a vs decision b, how do you decide? How do you dodge judgment here? I get where you are coming from on this one but still this subject is not related to enlightenment. This falls in the mental masturbation category not in a sense that is not correct but it is irrelevant here. Even if you were enlightened you couldn't get me enlightened just by describing your paradigm. I need to be it and that is far down the road. Rarely effective when criticizing other people but still that doesn't prove anything. I used to get too many ego reactions because people were attaching their egos to their beliefs and the last thing they wanted to face was criticism, they felt threatened. That is why I stopped judging (undeveloped) people. That shows the issue is with (undeveloped) people not with criticism itself. This judgment of specifically criticising people is a subset of the judgment i am referring to and doesn't cover the whole picture. Jumping to conclusion, judgment is the most effective tool so far but maybe this is the time of replacement (?!?!) We agree on the macro and it makes perfect sense but if you want to go with zero judgment all together you need a replacement. Leo judges almost in every video and you do as well. It either is a double standard or there is still some grey area that has not been addressed yet. The most mind boggling thing is that if you need to judge in order to explain why judgment is not helping, this means that you just talk the talk but do not walk the walk. The only way i can see is replacing judgment with another tool of evaluation that is not toxic.
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@Leo Gura Based on your entrepreneurial knowledge, should someone start a buisiness as soon as possible or first find a job to learn some technical business stuff. If it is the second, do i need to waste time building my resume that i will eventually not need? If not how do you find a job without a good resume?
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@eskwire Not that you are not allowed but is not helping. Also enlightenment is a road by itself. Talking about enlightenment and mixing it with other things doesn't offer anything unless you are helping the enlightnment process. So, can you approach it from the self-development perspective?
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@t3h_L3N1M4L That is up to you. You probably need to limit your options to entrepreneurial ones though. Books, blogs, youtube, talks are all wonderful ideas. Just try things out and go all in to the one that goes better than the other. In order to have great results you also need some entrepreneurial knowledge.
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@t3h_L3N1M4L You can teach it as a good teacher. It is your job to motivate them as a teacher. If kids in these days can cultivate motivation for math and physics imagine how easier it would be to motivate them to do self development. Also young kids are so malleable you can teach them anything with the appropriate presentation. You dont have to do the dirty work. If you teach self-development well they are going to get this insight themselves. Be smart about how you teach. You can either take down the "modern education" building or build a tall "self devolopment" one. Extra classes are a good idea but still you need to strategize it perfectly and you may get 20 students per year to get on board. As a teacher you don't have scaling capabilities. You are not even responsible for the stuff you teach as i am aware. You are not going to enjoy that experience. Think about a scalable way you can teach self-development to many people. Quality goes first though.
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I was so sure that you would say that. The issue here is that this theory or fact or whatever you are going to call it is not for us to conceptualize upon. We are not enlightened yet so we just mentally masturbate and we are not going to become enlightened if we just take the enlightenment paradigm and force it upon our throats. Enlightenment has nothing to do with beliefs and just making certain observations about that state and trying to implement them in our lives is not gonna cut it. Give me something practical. Don't mix it with enlightenment just tell me what is wrong about judgment. Approach it with a self development perspective not a spiritual one. Also how can meditation be judgmental? This is new.
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I have theoretically understood the part that i don't have control but the fact i am not right is just a possibility not an absolute fact. On roids. This judgment stuff is really confusing. The way i see it is that if you dont judge and you have the attitude of "I dont know" you are too passive. Even if a new Hitler came into power you couldn't take a position, because you wouldn't know and in general you can't make any assertive decisions, because you don't know. Also with that in mind there is no reason watching Leo or reading books, because you dont know. Do i have misunderstood what judgment means maybe? This doesn't make sense.
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@Nahm I rarely criticise myself. I don't have trouble accepting myself. I dont judge to bring others down and feed my ego by feeling superior. I just use judgement as a tool. I may have a problem with unconditional love though.
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@Loreena I know need to embrace the imprefections but i can't. I find them as an opportunity to improve the world, if i fix them of course. @Nahm I meditate daily pretty consistently i would say. I don't judge in order to feed my ego and feel superior, i do it just because i see flaws and i want to fix them with my entrepreneurial mindset. I think judgment needs a part 2 video. On the first video it is clear enough on the macro there is no need to judge but what about the micro? Don't i need to judge a good life coach vs a bad one to choose the first one? Don't i need to judge a good book vs a bad one to choose the first one? At the end of the day isn't my judgment a way to evaluate things?
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@Loreena Literally or metaphorically though?
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Too low consciousness, don't waste your time watching it.
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This graph says it all. if you need more info study Csikszentmihalyi.
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Yeah seems like you are not the sharpest pencil in the drawer. In order to eat meat, an animal has to die. This is irrelevant to what we are talking about here.
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@My_Name_Is_Mud Dont mix spirituality in this dude, you make things complex. Accepting slaughtering animals as an everyday thing is a result of indoctrination of seeing them as food and not as sentient beings aka friends. With that arguement i can murder your whole family and you wouldn't care, right? If not why grasp so firmly on that belief system then? Because morality is not a belief system it is common sense and result of a feeling caled empathy. If there is no customer for that product, there would be no slaughter houses. The only reason this happens is because people are willing to buy it. If you stop consuming they have less consumption and slowly but surely they reduce the production. You can think that if everyone on earth was vegan there would be no slaughterhouses because no one would buy meat so if we move towards that ideal we make a change. The only reason they do that is because they can sell more meat and produce more product as you said yourself. If you try to go on the "make better conditions for the animals" argument, why don't you think that there is no reason to murder them in the first place. What are those fundamental issues anyway?
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@My_Name_Is_Mud Are you comparing yourself with a shark? Don't you have moral values? Also sharks kill in order to survive, you go to the grocary store and buy your meat meaning you kill for taste pleasure. You don't need it for survival. Do you see the difference here? @TJM1959 Morality 101. There is no reason to kill sentient beings for your taste pleasure. If you try to find an argument to justify the innocent death of animals you will realise that the same argument can be used to kill humans in certain conditions which instantly makes the arguement wrong. Point out a diffrence present in animals that justifies killing them.
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This gets too complex by mixing spirituality in it. Folks in here can't even understand the basics of morality. @TJM1959 @TobyYou still fail to take responsibilty and you twist it back to me. tu quoque fallacy is not an argument. Answering criticism with criticism on the accuser is not an argument. Make an argument why it is moral to kill animals or shut the fuck up.
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@Steph1988 That question is not productive in the first place. Ask yourself what makes killing animals moral?
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Do i have to justify for killing just 1 person per month?