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@BlackPhil to see the value of the Spiral Dynamics model you need to have some yellow in you, otherwise you will judge it as useless.

Maybe if you have studied yourself thoroughly instead you would get to Truth So much evil in the world because people are lazy to think for themselves.

Because porn stars are dissociated from their bodies, the more anchored you are in the body the more sensitive you are. They are so desensitized and numb that they need violence to feel something, both the people who create and the ones watching. Also some people watch so much porn that they get accustomed to normal porn, the dopamine system ir already burnt, they need way more to get horny and feel aroused, so violent sex, rape sex, sex with animals and children come in. They just want to feel something, like a drug addict that needs a bigger dose cause they built tolerance.

A little shocked with those videos but she does have a lot of good points, decided to create this thread to balance it out the lack of advice here in the forum for women. I have a close friend who went through a divorce recently, his (now ex) wife left him for a sugar daddy and he is devastated, her IG is that of a sugar baby of course, all the purses brands etc, he used to give her really expensive stuff 10k bracelets, put implants fixed her nose, and she still left him for someone with more money. He always vents to me and recently said he is unhappy with his job because since he doesn’t have a woman his desire to make money (to be a provider) diminished. I know men get off of being a provider, but didn’t know the depth of it. I’ve been meeting so many provider men after dating so many takers. Just got me thinking, are we not asking enough of men?! Would prefer this thread to be a women’s discussion but all are welcome to join ☺️

I feel seen, thank you! Yes I do have codependent issues. I will definitely check them out, it’s gotten better throughout the years, I’ve read many books about it and even went to meetings at CoDa codependent anonymous, it’s generational trauma, I don’t watch many other channels besides Leo and Matt Kahn, if I look deeply Matt Kahn videos are doing more damage than helping, cause I become more compassionate which just deepens the codependent pattern. What I do like about her content is exactly how extreme it is, it becomes easier and more simple to find what the next steps are, for example the strict boundaries one, it doesn’t mean that I’ll exploit men, but it does help to understand better the motives behind why men behave the way they behave, while spiritual teachers go round and round and it’s not very practical. The codependent patterns in the women of my family are so deep that thinking now that I’m talking about it, I’ve been underestimating how difficult it is to break them in all my years of personal development, I was raised in Brazil in the countryside so very much stage blue, and like you said we are domesticated to be this way as women.

Of course, learned with you

@Ulax knowing how to talk to men, for example Im very emotional. Most men do not care about emotions, when you talk to them you need to be more rational and talk his language. Of course not all men, but it's basically marketing, when you talk to them you need to think about what they want (which is usually sex) not be lost in my feelings, crying etc. Another think is setting strict boundaries, if right in the beginning you let them do whatever they want, and not have to make it up for it, they will do it again and again, they become relaxed and treat you like shit. Men, dogs and kids are all the same, their natural instinct is to test your limits and boundaries, if you dont set strict boundaries you are fucked and they won't respect you, not only they wont respect you but they get angry unsconsciosly, the same way that a child who is sleepy and has no bedtime routine get cranky, they want easy (to be awake as much as possible) but what they really need is difficult (bedtime routine). They need to be trained from the beginning, but as women we are very compassionate and way too nice to be able to hold up on sex, not give them what they want, we easily let them do what they want instead of being more rational, we end up suffering, both lose in this case, the child needs sleep just like the men like the difficulty of conquering someone. Another thing is, the more we require from a men, the happier he will be to play the game and go beyond, if we don't require much the game is not fun enough for them, and they build resentment later on because things are too easy and he didn't have to work hard enough for it. There is a lot that happens unconsciously, but she does talk about that a lot. I dont agree with everything she says, she is a dominatrix, Im not into that stuff but she does make some really good points and understands the male mind deeply. Of course she manipulates a lot, but she is also enlightening women who are easy preys and who are being manipulated by men.

@CARDOZZO yes Im also a nice girl in recovery, have dated many takers and Im watching those videos now to enlighten me cause honestly 80% of the men are trash, not because they are evil but because they are deeply unconscious. Hurt men hurt women cause we are weaker and more vulnerable.

well that was my intention lol

I thought a lot about their relationship, I don't see him as a victim at all because he always dates women for their appearance, he dated a miss Venezuela in the past, models etc. So you should know better how those women are, if he wasn't able to dig into her and see that all she cared about was money the whole time, what was he really doing? Then we come to the realization of how much men are prone towards appearance only, they become irrational, this happens a lot to us women, so much manipulation from men, lies etc. In the end what she did was fucked up, but it's not like he is all innocent. I think also in his case, the more money he made, the more things she wanted and he kept giving it to her, until the luxury went over her had and now she is just posting luxurious pictures all over europe with this other guy who was also married, so she broke up not only her marriage but this other guy too.

@aurum She seems to be doing pretty well. When men exploit women for sex , it's his nature, men are like that. But as soon as women do the same its toxic. Dating is playing games, I think she is opening womens eyes to how men think and of course men wont like it.

I'm latina and am taking it personally lol.. jk! Well but many of my american friends go crazy for latinas, not to be mean towards american women but in general they don't do much for their husbands, sex is rare, touch is non existent, they are very much about the money, many of them don't like to cook or clean.. I 've lived with many american families and can say from experience. If you ever dated a latina you will know what Im talking about. A marriage is a transaction nonetheless, so it's natural that women want something in return. I've dated many men who are providers, it allows me to be more in my feminine and the more time passes the more I feel like settling and taking care of the house/ kids. I think just like everything in this reality it's gonna depend of each person, the prisma has many sides. But what I do see a lot is men leading women on just to exploit them, I have many american friends who dates for 7 or 10 years and never got married, just wasting women's time. So I think the intention of my post is to shine some light on the manipulations of men. Yes some of them are also exploited but many more exploit women, and Leo is helping with that lol I see little to no posts here talking about the exploitation of men, Leo treats men like they are his little kids that need to be protected at all times, of course because of his suffering with women throughout the years.

@How to be wise what do you mean?

@aurum I don't think it's toxic at all, she is not disrespecting anyone. It's basically dating games. @Schizophonia She actually seems to be very level headed, in my opinion she is very calm and rational for a woman. @NoSelfSelf yes my friend is insecure, which doesnt even make sense cause he is a greek god but like you said, knowing yourself is a super power.

True, its like we are trying to have a serious conversation and a toddler keeps running around babbling half words.

@Spiritual Warfare True men are generally smarter, but women are generally wiser.. we just know better than to be discussing about how wise we are

OMGGG HAHAHA the bed one, that is how I picture Leo as a bf.

@yetineti most men dont even notice the work that goes behind the fake beauty, you wouldn't recognize it. You need to visit other churches, most men love it.

@Butters

@Leo Gura Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world, just because you don’t understand women doesn’t mean others can’t plus a woman is to be loved, not understood

@Sugarcoat of course there is a difference in men groups, American men hide their sexuality, it's what turns me off the most, they watch porn in the background while they have the facade of being this perfect nice guy who doesnt care about sex. I've gone on dates that the guy didnt kiss me until the 6th date, and at that point I would question if he was really attracted to me, when the kiss came he would try to swallow my whole body all at once lol repressed sexuality is a bitch, it';s like you don't touch or kiss at all, or you go straight to sex, in Brazil there are levels, you can kiss, hug but there is no sex. I was skydiving a couple weeks ago and there was this army group from Qatar in training at the drop zone, those guys were desperate for sex lol they were all looking at me, some of them tried to talk but there was no disrespect. Yes as a women I could complain that they were looking at me too much, or all over me, but at this point living in the US and dealing with men who pretend they dont want to fuck is taking a tool on me and to be honest it was quite refreshing to experience the rawness of men, we dont like confidence, we actually like courage, boldness and sincerity. My best relationships were with middle eastern guys, lebanon, egypt, israel, they are gentleman and when they live outside of their blue country they are more open minded. American men want to be chased, they are princesses, they can see you carrying a huge box almost falling and they will let you because they are afraid of you saying something, so many of my brazilian friends got divorces and broke up relationships because of the lack of healthy masculine traits of american men. Oh dating apps they are the laziest, they say: "Heyyy, whats uppp, hi". if I wanted to date american men I would have to lead the conversation, and engage all the time (I would have to play the riole of a men), it's exhausting.. 0 effort, probably because they forgot how good sex is and dont have the ambition necessary to get there, cause porn is probably doing the job.

@Spiritual Warfare latina means someone born in Latin America, women from Spain are hispanic but not latino

@RendHeaven me as a Latina reading this hahaha only because we are more sexual doesn't mean that we are frivolous, I think you made a good point when you said we seek connection and oneness through sex, both men and women, and we underestimate how strong of a force sex actually is, it's life force and it's essentially what moves all of us, all the ugly that comes out of it is because of repression and shame. Like Osho said, sex uncovers not only the body but everything that is hidden. I think latinas are more sexual because we are more connected to our femininity, with love, we are more open and accustomed to touch since we are very little. But we are very touchy with everyone, not only sexually, what I miss the most about my girl friends in Brazil is being able to touch hug and be close together, american women are more reserved and rarely touch or hug, I think as humans we need touch and connection, the worst thing you could do to a human being is to put him in solitary confinement, all the depression and anxiety of nowadays is because we are isolated, we lack touch and human connection, and because of internet we think we are connected. We are little animals who dont survive without the warmth of each other. On the other side I've lived with many american families and can honestly say americans barely have sex, american women tend to be very masculine and not touchy at all, and from my own experience I've suffered with american men because they have issues with intimacy, they never received love as a child and this reflects on how they relate in romantic relationships, they are usually avoidant, Im not talking about only a few men, I've dated many american men, it's all the same, I remember when I first moved to the US I thought it was super weird that couples never held hands, never touched each other in public, etc. Then after 10 years of US I made a deal with myself not to date americans. I actually have a friend from the forum and he said he was only able to get in touch with his feminine side after he lived in south america for a while, he realized how important touch is for our survival and wellbeing and a lot of his childhood was healed just from living an experiencing the latino culture. In the end its not all about sex, its about connection, but yes its about sex too, sex is good and healthy, all kinds, from the divine to the kinky, who is to say what is what? I loved your post because it made me see from a men's perspective, I of course love confident men and reading what you said I've never stopped to think about the effort and pain he needs to go through to reach a good level of confidence to be himself or to talk to women comfortably, it's hypocrite to like confident men and close our eyes to the work that took to get there, aka pick up. Another thing that you may not be able to see because you are a man, is how we women are also driven by sex, and how quickly we are sucked into it like a hypnosis, it's not only men that see beautiful women and their rational brain turns off, we are more similar than we like to see. In the end we are all biased towards our own gender, the least we could do is listen to each others perspective so we can grow, and for the guys who are practicing pick up I would highly recommend them going to other countries, before american women will kill your soul lol It's so important to travel, to see many different ways that one thing can be done, to get multiple perspectives, Brazilians loooove foreigners, it would save years of doing pick up and would be more natural, given that latinas are not only sexual, we are more kind and fun too. Say whatever you want to say about latinas but we are great lol we cook good food, we love the hell out of our children, we are very close together with our friends and community, we dance like crazy, we are super fun, and we fuck like no other lol

Leo giving advice on women to men on the thread where women are complaining he doesn't give advice to women about men.. His understanding of women is very limited, he calls women "girls", think about that for a minute...

I've started taking this supplement two months ago and my dreams are SUPER vivid, when I wake up it's like I've been on a journey and they are so intense that I wake up mentally impacted and sometimes tired. I want to know which one of the supplements on the list is making me dream like that. It might be my biology too but Im just super curious, if anyone has any clue please let me know. I dont want to stop taking them cause they give me lots of energy and Ive been feeling great, juts the dream part is out of control Thank you!