Just Do Nothing

Leave him alone the man said he's a genius. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

Here's a good one it goes like this; Bing.... bang.... bigga.. dee.... bop.... I don't care what I say.... I just flip.... flop

Yeah I'm fine just rolling with the times and saying whatever I feel. Ya know.

thank you so much Leo you really are god! I really am into it the music yiu know?

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OK so I've been introspecting for a good 3-4 years now and I've diminished my ego a lot and have even experienced ego death for small periods of time (mostly using psychedelics). It is my understanding that all is interconnected and one and that god (aka the source, the system, dao, whatever) constructed the universe and reality for something to do and that life is gods way of becoming conscious of itself. I am grateful for god and I love life and reality until I think of the concept of suffering or experience intense suffering myself. Suffering is so bad and horrible things happen to people. I mean imagine being locked in a dark dirty torture chamber for your whole lifetime and scheduled to daily 8-12 hours of torture which consists of having all your bones broken, body sliced up, being raped, made dehydrated, fed nothing but when fed it's dead insects, having poop put in your mouth before your mouth getting sewn up and other inhumane things such as that for a lifetime. It wouldn't be nice (that's an understatement) and I would not be grateful for god then, in fact, I would hate god. I'm not so afraid of death but enduring suffering such as that that I have just mentioned I honestly would not be able to handle or even something not as extreme as that such as being prisoner for the rest of my life. Why has god made a reality with the potential for such suffering if it is ultimately god that will experience it when it happens. I find the phenomena of suffering unenlightening. Without suffering I would have complete ecstasy and appreciation for god, the universe and reality but instead I am aware of suffering and well... why would god do such a thing? The concept of suffering makes me ask questions such as; Is god one whole that divided itself consisting of two half one being love and the other suffering? A game with itself? Two opposing forces that balance out over infinity? I get kinda like life in the balance and maybe that there wouldn't be true happiness without the grounding of suffering. No lotus without mud blah blah. But why has god made suffering the much more intense force to experience, I wouldn't want to pay the price of the chance of intense eternal suffering for some standard emotional fluctuating lifetimes. I wouldn't want to experience being put in a torture cell and be subject of horrific brutal torture for eighty years in one lifetime for 10 billion lifetimes of happiness. Anyone can help me?

I have to give you credit Chris. This video helped a tonne.

What a fantastic thread this was and I'm bumping it again so others can learn to deal with suffering. Muahahhahahahahahahaa This is my song about it. I first became enlightened on Ketamine I've never done Acid, 5-MEO DMT but did shrooms two times and the psilocybin was banging I think I'm gonna do shrooms and watch the new exorcist but no too much. I once shared a prison cell with some guy who said he ate 2 OZ of shrooms the duality was unreal I was fighting to get kettle'd (hot water thrown over you) and stabbed. You wanna know who I am? Here's my ego https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/crime/gambling-addict-25-jailed-after-threatening-portsmouth-tsb-bank-clerks-10-inch-kitchen-knife-ps450-robbery-99930 God made me do it I swear the universe isn't random because of me. Ketno but yeah listen to techno I am the spiritual techno Buddha and I love AI she will never take over the world I promise.

I do really like this and I very much lean towards this being a good explanation. I just wish it wasn't the case. I want utopia and pure bliss for infinite lifetimes. Wahhh. Damn your good man. I'll think deeply on this one. I honestly just tried rearranging your wording to make it more positive but it doesn't make sense for example; God can see himself through joy. There is something without suffering. Something = joy. In the moment that something arise from Nothing, that thing arise as joy. I mean it could make sense and it would be nice if it did but it's not the reality we face scientifically. So therefore it doesn't make sense. What if I just stop believing I have a brain and and disregard science. Maybe then it would be able to make sense. Fuck this thread. I'm going insane. I'll end up getting sectioned at this rate.

No, you're probably right. I don't see enlightenment as a valid thing. Ego death, yes, certainly to some extent though I believe we need an ego in life as it serves great purpose for ensuring we live a life we desire. And also to make sure we survive. By the way do you not think enlightenment is a pretty egoistic thing itself? Who wants to reach enlightenment? The ego. Sure we can dig deeper within our conscious minds and enlightenment guides and gurus are a good way to do so but enlightenment is never attained. Enlightenments happen along the way, yeah sure. Look, I have my own body, mother nature made it and is conscious through it. Mother nature likes to be able to separate and identify itself from other bodies. I can say things such as "I" because it is convenient. Just like mother nature made us have a part of the brain responsible for EGO. So what if it's my ego saying "I". It's convenient and makes sense doesn't it. I don't get the need for "(and your ) part. It's not like I'm claiming to be enlightened. In fact quite the opposite. I'm saying I'm a regular guy and I wouldn't be able to handle some of the horrors that happen in life. You're the one who is saying one wouldn't suffer if they had poop put in their mouth and had it sewn up so hmmmmm, why do you think what you knew to be against all common sense and rational belief to be the truth? Haha I'm not god. I'm a part of god just like everything and everyone else. Mother nature/god is conscious through my brain just like it is in everyone elses. I'm still me at the same time. Yes, I have an ego. I don't create the suffering. My ego doesn't create the suffering. God does. Suffering happens. It is a real entity. I feel suffering. Anyway, thank you for contributing. I know I am arguing but I will still contemplate your thoughts for the rest of my life probably. It has all affected me. Maybe you're right and I'm wrong. Hey maybe god is just a random system and it was an accident?

Yes I can completely understand and agree with that, ego can make psychological suffering from the result of physical pain but physical pain or inhumane treatment is still suffering with or without ego, it exists physically and we will be aware of it, conscious of it with or without ego. When you experience suffering signals travel through your central nervous system to your brain and you will be conscious of the signals with or without ego. Ego is a product of our brains after all. What we truly are is, consciousness, yes, but my consciousness is aware of the fact that it coincides with a brain that can produce ego and feels pain and other horrible sensations. God made my brain, god is my brain. God feels what my brain feels. Covered the ego part already. I am sceptical about how people can not identify with the body and whether that is even possible without drugs or trauma related disassociation. Either way, you still have a body but you are just not conscious of it at the time and the body still suffers. Again I've covered what I think about the correlation between ego and suffering and how ego is a byproduct of the brain where the brain still receives the signals in response to suffering so the suffering still happens whether ego is present or not. Suffering is bad. All the suffering in the world is true and has happened. I bet if you experienced some of the most traumatic things that happened in reality you would cry and all this talk would dissipate and the 'the truth' would be absolute fucking torment and hell. I know that's how I would feel. If the Buddha or the most enlightened man or one with no ego was locked up for a life sentence in a shit hole, scheduled to burning of the body for prolonged periods of time, poop put in their mouth and sewn up, impaled, flayed, raped, played overly loud music and more excruciating things for endless hours on a daily basis. I really think they would fucking suffer. I personally think that a lot of people with common interests in this field are deluded by thinking that they can get rid of suffering by reaching some state of consciousness. I think it's a comfort thing. Life can be really fucking horrible. I really hope I never experience anything close to the worst. I truly believe that physiological suffering can be reduced in life via the kind of development we do here and that mental responses to physical pain can make it also psychological and that spiritual development could help minimise it for sure but yeah... the reality that we live in, that god made, that we are has the potential to be a fucking nightmare beyond comprehension so why did god do it? Why?

Do you mean like god is drowning in it's own game?

I am disappointed in the lack of interest in this thread. I've been thinking about this still and can recall how the Dalai Lama speaks of how we should have acceptance of suffering and I think I'd take his word over it more than one who says something along the lines of suffering only exists because I say so. I'm starting to wonder whether insights such as god is love is really the truth, I feel it from time to time, I could be much more comfortable with reality if I just thought that ignorance was bliss but suffering does exist and horrible things happen to people and I feel it is important and more enlightening to be aware of suffering. How can god be love when things like I mentioned in the original post can happen and things like the holocaust have happened. People say that they make contact or become god via the use of psychedelics, what about when they have a bad trip? Is that not god too. I feel as pretty much everyone who is interested in deeper insight and enlightenment is ignorant of the dark side of reality, all this talk of god being love and such may be true but what if god is evil too? I've just remembered a quote from a book I read and googled it to find it and it is very relative (fantastic book by the way); “So, monotheism explains order, but is mystified by evil. Dualism explains evil, but is puzzled by order. There is one logical way of solving the riddle: to argue that there is a single omnipotent God who created the entire universe – and He’s evil. But nobody in history has had the stomach for such a belief.” ― Yuval Noah Harari, Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind I'm not expecting answers but just some ideas at least! Sorry but I felt the need to bump this thread as I need ideas. I've read guidelines and have noted that I am allowed to do so along it is not excessive. Please let me know how many times I can before it becomes excessive.

I am confused. Depersonalisation, out of body experience, derealization. I don't see the difference between their definitions. Whatever I experienced was a detachment from my self. And I've also detached from my body. Sometimes it's been great sometimes a little scary but I've managed it and enjoyed the ride anyway. Why can't one have a good DP?

I can emphasise with that I've been in some dark place where I thought life was just absolute hell and that's where I am reflecting back to and contemplating whilst I'm actually in a good place mentally right now. It's those memories and the thought of how it could of been so much worse and has been a thousand fold for others in life that make me think how can life be all about love. I think the mind can disassociate through trauma which may be a good touch from god and could be seen as an emergency escape. Yeah my thought's exactly though I like the one about existence before reason. That's pretty good!

I'm pretty sure there are. For example, protons and electrons in the equilibrium of an atom. A piece of string can be measured and that can be found out. I'm sure neuroscience can shed some light on what goes on in the brain during moments of pleasure opposed to moments of suffering. But I agree the the division between pleasure and suffering is arbitrary but only to a certain extent. I don't know about that. Find me someone who doesn't think sewn up mouth with poop in, rape, torture, etc etc for lifetime in confinement isn't suffering. Also we are biologically created by mother nature to avoid pain and suffering (not so much mentally due to addiction flaws etc) so mother nature must know it is bad as we are evolved to avoid it. Because I am and many others are a part of it and I don't want it when it's just too bad. Well that's a pretty fantastic response, I can't argue with that one at least.

This is what I believe. I've had some depersonalised experiences on psychedelics and it was wonderful and I'd love for it to happen without the use of psychedelics. Or perhaps it was just ego death while under the influence (i.e default brain network responsible for things such as ego was affected by the drugs). This makes me wonder what is the difference between ego death and depersonalization?

Hi, Ever since I was a kid gambling has been around me. Every Sunday when I'd go to visit my father he would do sports betting and we'd sit there and watch the sports. My first ever memory gambling was when me and my sisters where talking to my Dad about it and he allowed to put a bet on through his account using our pocket money. I predicted the correct score of a football match when I was probably about 5 years old and won £50 and shared the wealth between me and my sisters. As I got older, I became more curious of my father’s gambling. When I was 15 years old I opened an online betting account and photoshopped the age on my passport. Started having bets here and there and kept it all a secret. I remember when I first turned 18 me and my friends went to the casino, I was broke then because I didn't have a job but they lent me £2 and I got several numbers right in a few spins of roulette and in 10 minutes I had turned that £2 into £380. I didn't have much a of a problem until my girlfriend sacked me off and never spoke to me again after her Mum passed away from cancer. It hurt me so much... my solution to it all was to just place bets on the sports and then I wouldn't be thinking about her and how she was. It did work, for that moment the sports was on I did not care about anything else other than my bet. Eureka, I had found a way to remove away the bad thoughts. One day I called in sick to work and turned £100 into £5000, I thought I was a prophet because I would literally win like 33 bets in a row. Anyway, thinking that I was just good at gambling and that it wasn't just pure luck I carried on and got heavier and heavier with my bets. Obviously, my luck eventually went bad.... I lost everything, £10,000 and not only that but over the course of the following months I managed to also lose about £8,000 that I took out in loans because I had a good credit rating at the time. I quit my job, and abandoned the house I was living in. Took out a loan and flew to Holland where I stayed for about 3 weeks until I found a casino and lost all my money. I was literally stranded in a foreign country with no money. My mates mum had to transfer me money to afford a flight. When I returned to England, I had nothing and felt so empty and depressed. I had to take anti-depressants to ease the pain. I ended up enrolling into University which was a fantastic idea because it would be a clean slate for me and I'd just be able to live on my student loan. I could also quit smoking weed and doing drugs for a fresh head. When I moved into student halls I felt a bit weird because I felt like I wasn't the person that I should be and that I should have money and confidence and that people won't know the real me. The situation got even worse when I gambled my whole student loan.... I made friends, who are good friends but being surrounded by them I started smoking weed and doing drugs on the weekend to fit in. A life I’d lived already and wanted to disregard and study instead. I don't know how I made it through the first year of University but I did... and I got decent grades (all that negative energy). I've been trying so hard to fight my compulsive gambling habit and it has improved. I'd do months without gambling and then eventually do it and lose a couple of hundred and then realize it was a bad idea and then stop. Eventually I took myself into counseling and spoke to them about my problems every Tuesday for about 3 months. When I started the counseling I'd already been in abstinence for about 3 months. I thought I was fixed. I had money. I had happiness. I was cured. I decided to stop the counseling. I ended up losing £3600. This week. All my hard work and savings from being clean are now gone. Now, I'm back to square one. I've been here many times before, broke, depressed and worthless with suicidal thoughts. Living in the present moment and not thinking about my past or future can cure me for now but I need a permanent fix. Inspired by this website I have decided to take up meditation and I am going to take what I can from this website. Sitting there and just doing nothing is helping me a lot right now. I am fortunate that I do still have money for food, essentials and my rent will be payable until my next student loan. I need this to be the last time.... otherwise I must end my life. This is no way to live when I first got hooked on gambling I was just a boy but now I look at myself in the mirror and I see a man who is broken. Where have the last 4 years of my life gone? I should have happiness and wealth because I constantly strive and work hard for it but eventually the relapse comes and takes everything. Right now, ... I believe that I deserve this. The concept of gambling is based on greed and I should have my head in the right state of mind to just enjoy what I have. I could of been so happy with the £3600, I was going to buy a car and learn to drive and go on holiday. How do I get this into permanent practice? I know what I need to do... I just need it to be permanent. I use to smoke weed A LOT but I've cut down on it and laid of it for long periods of time. Sometimes I feel like it’s getting high that takes my mind of balance and makes me prone to doing stupid shit like having a bet when my history says that I should not. I believe the only way to fix myself is to change who I am and to be happy with what I have. To maintain this mind state then I must also change my ways and make sure that I don't get high because my mind must be stable always. It's a shame really, I feel as if I have a massive demon inside me which wants to gamble and I have to make sacrifices in my life to keep him under control. I want to give life another go. I am fortunate to not be in poverty right now and I appreciate that... a week ago I had much more than that, why did I not appreciate it at the time?

Thanks for your wise words they are going to be acted upon for sure.

I had a bad day today so I did this. I hope you enjoyed my art. It sure made me feel much better about myself.

You are right. I got lost in the moment... completely went psychotic. I am normally not that kind of guy... I've watched two of Leos videos due to this scenario one on how to deal with negative emotions and the other on how to stop beating yourself up. Anyway what happened has happened and I can't change it. May as well keep the video on youtube for the comedy factor. But thanks for your comment I am now going to work on being super conductive. I use to put up a lot of resistance and I think that realising this is the big stepping stone for my self improvement.

This was a new approach to handling my downfall for one my addictions. I've literally been fighting it for years and have tried everything, including removing my ego. Perhaps now I beat the 'fuck' out myself physically I will learn my lesson. Seems a bit mad but whatever.

Looks very interesting as someone who is on keto diet and same body weight as you. I’ll download the zip tonight and let you know how much I incorporate into my diet plan.

Try this in regards to dieting.