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@CreamCat Are there videos of this somewhere? I am curious how this looks like. This is insane. Great info! thanks a lot!

@CreamCat The nun or/either female monk was noticing something, I fell out of line during the zen practices and I sort of felt guilty, they really do not impose anything onto you really nothing. There are some rules etc. Yet, the people there are very nice and it is heartwarming. I am not denying that they have some hangups some members etc, yet they do not do shadow work that would be a solution. This is what Ken Wilber criticized about monasteries no idea what the psyche exactly is physically. Yet, there are some legit "cults". Would you not need to cut someone's skull open in order to transfer cells from the brain to a brain-machine? How is it possible to transfer cells? Or even information from cells? I can imagine having a robot which has the necessary hardware to deal with the complexity of data streaming into its a system, like.. vagus nerve transporting neurotransmitters to the brain. Yet, not sure how human tissue could be transmigrated to a machine. Not sure if even necessary. I can imagine copying functions from like how neurons fire and wire, or creating intelligence if I assume correctly this is what deep learning is about, just ways of functioning, patterns of recognition and output w/e. We just talked about something similar about quantum smth. in today's lecture, ideally, I even can start something a.i related. This is also similar to Rupert Sheldrake's morphogenetic fields I assume.

@ajasatya Consciousness itself? Void etc. yet I don't know what that is. I can see that self-inquiry or inquiry is important, yet I am doing currently doing a loving-kindness practice + vipassana. (*bark*). I triggered a monk on a retreat. Not sure if I should feel proud. I waited for bark bark appeared. @Serotoninluv I recommended the show to a friend who studies a.i I did not watch it fully, he was hyped and mad that I did not watch it. "Our" region is quite progressive in this part of tech. Zedd brought out a new music video he is from my hometown, the video has an A.I Robotics theme. I'll just leave this.

@ajasatya Would you think it is possible to be consciously reborn inside an artificial machine/human in comparison to an animal? Considering the "philosophy" of death and rebirth or samsara? Or Bardo realm in case you are familiar with it? ( I am not only heard this from an audiobook).

@lmfao Is it only good to cut these out for auto-immune diseases or for general health? What about micro-bacteria or things similar, I heard an audiobook from Deepak Chopra which talked about how a Mediterranean diet is supposed to be very good.

@CreamCat That is true partially, still when the need for eating food is stilled at higher levels can re-emerge again. It is possible to be self-sufficient and be at stage green/yellow even without much friends depending on how much social interaction you need. I get easily drained by them and enjoy rather short interactions with a small group of people or at best one on one since they are not that draining. I won't deny that I lack people to talk to, yet this is so common currently. The best choice is to join some sort of organization to have social interactions or a group, maintain a group of friends etc. I am also not sure if you have ever seen stage beige or how it can impact other humans. It's not fun depending on the situation.

@CreamCat I can see what you are saying, I know my deficiencies to a great degree, some things do take time. I can see from your post that your understanding of integral theory seems to me half-baked and to much focused on spiral dynamics. People differ greatly ........... on what works for you might not work for me. Because of psychological, biochemical and other reasons. Basically, what I can extract from your comment is to have priorities and focus on them with intensity. I like theory a lot and I am from a pragmatic region, so I am inclined to rebel to this sort of pragmatic stuff. Pragmatism can be dogma too. Also, I can deal with criticism quite well in hindsight extremely well I even enjoy it, I don't enjoy personal attacks and attempts at manipulation. Or people who are not empathic. It is good for that you value all of these things, yet my values do not reside in execution, performance, commitment, and "stage orange" aspects. I know I want to include them in order to function better/sharper. For me of utmost importance is meditation currently and my studies and integrating knowledge, learning more about the world, traditions, culture. I enjoy all of the beauties of life more than execution etc. Even though performance itself is an act of beauty etc. I want to embrace and love myself to let go of it. Effortless execution etc involved in what even I am trying to master, meaning no ego involved. Yet, all of this is just words. In case the comment above helped that is good.

@CreamCat You can have pathologies at each stage. That is why shadow work is important. Although you have a center of gravity at a stage and are centered at 50% of that stage 25% below and 25% above. This is also how you will respond to other humans. The whole spiral is always accessed. Even if you transcend into a higher realm of the psychic, subtle, casual or non-dual stages (Third tier). One has to move down in order to function as long as a body exists. You can have state stages! Which are different from structure stages. For instance, the Vietnamese monks who burned themselves achieve a state stage where they feel absolute bliss. These are called absorptions as far as I know Jhanas. And therefore "transcend" the human body, they still die. This whole thing is still a mystery to me. So, they can both be a living concrete... experience as well as a glimpse into the nature of a state, the so-called state stages. Structures according to Wilber can't be observed since they are like grammar, inherently visceral in one's flesh and bones. Yet, I am going to create a concept one lays out these language patterns or aspects... and then has the ability to observe them. Like using had involved past perfect and now we know that past perfect which is the "completed" past involves these words, rules, structure, grammar, "syntax". States are experiences one can dive into, yet structures are .. like a state of mind that is unconscious, till the second tier is accessed and the periphery of what one usually experiences is being expanded since the whole spiral is first visible at second tier which is yellow. There needs to be a drawn out map or structure in order to relate that there is a structure or to better understand it, that is my point. Looking at the quadrants could help you to understand the theory better. For instance, I could say that the tourquise level of the upper right quadrant which focuses on exterior development of the I, body parts, brain, stomach, guts etc. Is the hypothalamus. Wilber differentiated all of this to draw conclusions and to present a holarchy. A mixture of heterarchy and hierarchy. Spiral dynamics is still focused on values. Shadow work also never ends as long as biology exists according to Wilber. Some drives are inherently biological and sometimes people are unaware of that.

@Alexander Goffrier This seems promising: https://integrallife.com/plant-plus-personalized-nutrition-2/?the-video=1 It is a video course talking about functional medicine from a psychologist / cell biologist and researcher from Harvard. You can make yourself a free account for 1$ to watch the episodes than for free. The description below is a good indicator to see if it is worth for you or not.

@andyjohnsonman I see I don't know much about the topic, I listened to a couple of podcasts/talks. Sounds similar to what I do.

@andyjohnsonman From what I heard most cults and scandals in the spiritual community started because of not integrated shadows. Also, I've heard that shadow work will never end since it keeps latching on and is being added to. Also, that vipassana practice keeps dissociating shadow aspects/ the complete shadow since stuff is being dissociated endlessly. Yet I am doing that with a variation of vipassana, yet I have no clue what normal vipassana entails as far as techniques go. I noticed that shadow work is important, yet sometimes I have no "real" shadow elements to work with. So, I am doing shadow work consistently inconsistently, as long as I am heavily triggered or triggered I will sit down and do the 3-2-1 process. Yet, I don't know what kind of techniques there are beside shamanic breathing, the 3-2-1 process of Ken Wilber which is based on Gestalt therapy. I noticed after doing this now for some time that I integrate repressed elements of myself, anger, arrogance (which I never thought I had.), hedonistic tendencies and some weird character "flaws" like being more assertive and less passive and more proactive. Also, I notice a lot of people project their shadow selves and also I notice more that I am projecting / have the potential. What techniques do you use and what do you think works?

@DocHoliday yes I exactly mean that with "S" or "is sounds I "intuit" that people do this when they have a system of systems or ... systems of systems of systems ( paradigmatic / cross-paradigmatic understanding). I use the terms Ken Wilber uses. Yet for instance, Gerald Hüther does not seem to know that there is something beyond it yet, assumes there is the possibility. This is just an observation can easily be false. I am just very curious about stage turquoise which is late vision logic (cross-paradigmatic thinking / systems of systems of systems). From what I've read and maps I've seen. It is quite funny how these sounds like I am going to go "cult" most likely have a reoccurring pattern, cars coming by, dogs barking, birds singing. Like "the hum and buzz of the world" as Alan Watts says. It's like.. you watch a video about an IT topic from an Indian being on youtube and the car horn comes at the "perfect" moment I am by far not the only one who seems to "intuit" that when I see travelers on IG or youtube, who are stage yellow cognitively and even a lot smarter than most humans are, they notice these sounds like part of the system of life. The video you showed is a perfect example for systems of systems or systems of systems of systems thinkers lol.

I am going to be a bit weird, yet it is funny how "Gerald Hüther" would repress the next stage of yellow. Just by listening to sounds.. and I am not going to also, nicht wirklich jetzt. Explain how I derived at this because it is simply retarded. Yet, for one's own observation and I am still not sure on this. Gerald Hüther notices he makes this high pitched sounds, yet he does not seem to know what is beyond it, yet that the environment reacts to it and I only heard stage yellow ppl make these sounds. I know it's retarded. Yet, I assume you guys know what I mean... @DocHoliday @Shiva For example: Or: Here is a letter from Ken Wilber describing in detail each phase of vison-logic / stage yellow in a bit more detail. Also, to reach the higher levels of psychic, subtle, casual, non-dual etc. A basic fundamental understanding of each stage has to be there to spoiler content. http://www.perspectus.se/tjordan/Wilbercomment.html Btw. the interview with Gerald Hüther is awesome this guy is so compassionate it is insane. For relationships, I enjoy watching the content of Dr. Keith he also has a Ted talk and is a member of integral life. I am not posting the Ted talk!

Just came back from a weekend retreat. This is one of the funniest and greatest talk cool. I've seen so far.

@Hellspeed Thank you for the information. This is interesting, I will dive deeper more into this when the opportunity arises! Read the two articles, I assume I can be somehow happy that I ate sand as a child or chew on paper? Maybe not lol.

Are there any forums where one can get a lot of cooking recipes that are adjusted for people who want to maintain high performance, at best vegetarian or vegan? I am currently using only IG, to find inspiration. Yet, stuff like meal prep etc. Takes a lot of time to learn I assume, plus my kitchen is very small. I mostly cook with basic/staples food, yet I don't have a very good clue to where I can find a website or forum or app. That helps me took prepare food for several days or one week. Also, simple meal prep which is good for lunch would be cool. I only found stuff that was way over my head. Similar to something like this. This is awesome, yet I can't try it because of a lack of cooking utensils.

@Hellspeed Does this have something to do with prebiotic and probiotic food, the food in Leo's video would be prebiotic. Which strengthens the microorganisms in the gut/intestine, also most of them are dietary fiber they stimulating good intestinal/gut bacteria. Probiotic is strengthened by dairy products and raw fermented dairy as you mentioned, yet I am not sure what kind of cheese? Cheddar and gouda? Probiotic helps with removing damaging germs. Also, the microorganisms multiply by taking in probiotic food and their bacteria in the gut, also the microorganisms are not being decomposed by lactic acid. Overall eating probiotic meals help with depletion of milk sugar in case one has problems with lactose. What is meant with nutritional value? Why does it not provide any? Do veggies not contain a lot of vitamins and carbohydrates? So, at least I am getting full and am able to work. What would be lacking? I am taking b12 and iron supplements because I am living a vegetarian/vegan "lifestyle".

I am not sure if this helps, yet I am going to be so free and give my opinion. I only did one retreat and a couple of retreats online, sometimes it feels like logic is transcended like how can a person online say something out of the blue that fits into my pattern of thoughts? Even if I skimmed through some book just 1 or 2 days before. And it had no context whatsoever with what has been said, it was sort of a new rule paradigm... for the transpersonal realm ...? He did not see me, he can't read my body language, he can't read my facial expressions, yet why do some thoughts randomly overlap. Idk. I put my real name on the list, this would be the most rational answer. Another thing for me was seeing a turquoise zen master and by comparison a couple of green and stage yellow people (2 ppl who studied physics + others) The zen master always said something exactly at the right moment and really slow and steady as it is usual for Soto-zen while we were having a sesshin. I did not have a turquoise experience, yet really beside maybe one LSD trip. Where I barely liked the tail of the ox in hindsight. *cough* But, for example, it was obvious that the stage green people built an identity around their spiritual practice. Also, they thought that or it came across for me that they thought... (Leo also said smth along those lines ) they were on the same level of development as the turquoise master. Yet, it was so different it transcended yellow clearly. Yellow was just quite and amazed imo or was just taking part and being part of the experience/system etc. I only sat one time in front of him and it felt like there was no need for concepts I was more aware and awake, yet that could easily be an illusion. I still thought etc. Similar to the LSD trip I tried to grasp what stage turquoise is like to let go of what I know and it felt like I had to give up survival. Even when I thought I know so little, this should be easy. Yet, my mind wanted to survive. Till I felt I almost became one with a sentient being during my LSD trip which seems to be a common description for stage turquoise. (Integral Psychology, or cook greuters 9 levels of development). Not sure if someone can relate here, yet during the last retreat my solar plexus/sternum popped open, it felt like a valve being released and a flood of emotions that are very difficult to identify, I would call it steam was being flushed through my body. I was not able to identify the locations of those feelings. I had to cry hardcore and in an instant as soon as I heard the voice of the person and cried instantly. I felt like an emotional psychopath, I could not deal with the intensity of this and I looked at my body, my solar plexus was pumping. I saw that something that I would describe as a small metal ball a bit below my sternum moving upwards and downwards rapidly. This happened two times, out of an incentive of feeling unable to care and wanting to care more. I also thought and felt I was almost dying... not sure if this is a precursor to stage turquoise or more relatable to other stages. I still feel like I am stuck in yellow hubris. A bit...

Thank you for the information this is great !!

I read that alkaline levels can improve solely through breathing. Most sites recommend the wim hof technique. I found this because I heard that deep breathing helps with alkaline levels. https://sunwarrior.com/blogs/health-hub/3-surprising-simple-ways-alkalize-body

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Stage turquoise *cough* talking to yellow. P.S I don't cough, in reality, I think I need more skill.

@moon777light Mostly I assume it is just stages of SD, it is also comparable to a libertarian stance of freedom and autonomy, what is so great about an individual like that? His influence, his life, his money, his family, his friendships, his world, his privileges, his intellect, his status etc. Yet, I feel what is missing often is a differentiation and integration approach to all of those hierarchies of systemic values ranking and personalities and biological predispositions. That form a gestalt. Same with liberalism what is so great that a human being has his integrity or "irreproachability" being protected by the legislature or in the constitution. Country etc. The protection itself creates the worth. Which has been created since human stories and their tragedies keep unfolding, while we take lessons and draw meaning. For instance, Victor Frankl's book a means search for meaning. Displays this in the most gruesome scenarios of the second world war. It is as if meaning is created either as a result of great suffering, because of a dedication to love, or the will to will itself meaning the creation of a will. I agree with that, yet I had to google the word unalienable meaning that it can't be uttered? Or are not being able to remit once rights to another. I can't sell my right of freedom of speech to a kid in St. Lucia. The same with him selling his right, I remember that Ken Wilber.. addressed one point of that we do not have enough global (male) human rights. So, I can't tell how that would look like. For instance, Nestle buying wells in Africa to procure water for the poor. Another a capitalistic form of colonialism? Considering their products. Most likely this exactly becomes the point, as long as no storytelling or philosophy exists. If we can't create any meaning or (have a quadrant like an approach) or multi-perspectival approach, not aperspectival. It will be reduced to one flatland. So, any reading in that regard will help to grow horizontally in any quadrant. Which is great to know the map and the obstacles appearing on the multi-level parkour. It still this theory was built and extracted out of others. Most human beings have a couple of quadrants covered or let's say body, mind, and family. Is what most western countries run on, without including the aspect of values inside these concepts. (Success, compassion, intellect etc.) Or rather politeness in tight cultures and not loose cultures. Like Canada or the U.S. Comparing Japan, "Germany". https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culture-conscious/201306/some-it-tight-some-it-loose What I want to say is everything will be reduced to one flatland approach. I would love to draw from history but I can't yet. But let's say you are a samurai in Japan and were injured in a fight joining Rinzai zen cloister afterward and everything is reduced to a spiritual flatland. Or a mad scientist only caring about his objects of creation. All of these stories I feel more and more are there to create meaning, even one's own story, as an avid journaler. Attaching meaning, extracting concepts and principles, is great or can be. Yet, what I've read in an article about Vajrayana is and this is going to be sexist. Women often embody the wisdom function, let's say mother nature takes to care for heaven's sake. While men often embody the aspect of practice. Anything is special about an individual as long as one can entertain that notion regardless in which aspect. Yet, no idea how this is an experienced concept like, besides that, I would even care less and would love everything... so, in that regard. Knowledge is power and concepts are hindering, it is scary to let go of that, while it is a safety need in regards to everything almost. So, not consciously trying to think and doing nothing while still retaining knowledge is quite bewildering. Hope this was somehow useful !