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@Serotoninluv Apparently it does both according to man tak chia, first produces 5-MeO Dmt and then DMT Apparently, one week is needed.

@Serotoninluv Okay, I just googled and checked wiki I was going with assumptions.

@Serotoninluv yes, I was not aware of that 5-meo-dmt is the substance and dmt the chemical. @FredFred Here is one report. From this guys school above. Shinzen also talks about long periods in darkness he did a 100 days isolation in darkness and reported seeing people as insects afterwards so I am a bit scared. Another guy on the forum I wrote told me he stopped after 4 days.

@Leo Gura Is it possible to produce 5-MeO naturally through dark room retreats? I heard that this is possible. Yet, I am very scared to try this version...

Chakras and kriyas would be a perfect video not sure if the two are related. Or kriya experiences. @Leo Gura

@CreamCat Leo's new video explains this perfectly lol. My prof always ranted about shit quality questions and he is a high performer who thought at Columbia. No idea why this guy is here, besides that he owns his own company.

@CreamCat You could benefit tremendously listening to the videos from shinzen, that would completely eradicate this whole conversation. An enlightened master with a math background, neuroscience and a phd is above 99% of the population.

@CreamCat @CreamCat I think this is a very noble perspective, it this is the whole point that you most likely not understand. To sacrfice, oneself for a higher cause is very blue. See crusades, missionaries etc. Yet, it is necessary. Or even a hero, dschingis khan was a hero for his folk too, the same with Jeanne d’Arc. Creation and non-creation is also a better frame of mind then fight and non-fight. Imo since it involves the process as a process and not a fight as an uphill battle meaning there is always an internal opposition confronting your path. Creation feels less egoic and struggle~ish. There have always been underground movements, zealots, avant-gardes, partisans etc. Was your whole point not to include personal development with enlightenment or spiritual work ? I am out of the conversation so far, I don't feel I add value currently.

@CreamCat You are avoiding the question. Why not take on the perspective for the sake of the perspective...........

@CreamCat You can already determine now which fight you want to fight for. It is already great that you have an intention to become a master and change and/or excel in a field of your choice, especially if you have the capability to do it. Did you read so far anything or listen to anything about the traditions, if you ask about enlightenment in the context about personal development? What did you hope to clarify through your question?

Can ya'll leave grand master Hitler out of the game? He had his reasons ok.

@CreamCat You would basically be a modern version of a bodhisattva then. Which I want to strive towards to also.

@CreamCat The most advanced teachers say that the journey into enlightenment itself does not end. They keep learning that is why embracing a beginners mind is important. I keep learning new things about the technique I use daily or weekly after a couple of years. For instance, my teacher says the beginnings of meditation are the first 10 to 15 years. Yet, when talking about the practice you would not even notice that it is that serious. There are different degrees of enlightenment that you can read about, for instance, state-stages from ken Wilber or from any tradition jhanas, samadhis and what does not exist. Be wary of green spirituality uplifting a single person and choosing them to be the "enlightened" one simply because they share their view or represent a quality that they like. It's useless to talk with them, you can do it to compare and contrast, but it's not very effective. Yellow is more technical, but not in an orange sense of knowledge and knowledge about concepts, but more in a functional way. For instance the zen retreat where I went to last year, had 1 2 guys who studied physics one who studied math, a computer scientist, a girl who studied smth. related to humanity and environment, le moi + 3-4 classic green spirituality type people. The green guys did not attend every sesshin(meditation session), as the yellow people did. Talking to the yellow people was more about functionality and making something out of the experience, not beliefs and making others feel comfortable and belonging to their community. Green thought it was on the same conceptual framework then the zen master. Questions from a yellow perspective prompted also very very different answers from the zen master. Green was more about, meaning, why do it, it all relative, it is somehow fun and good, is it not religious. They did certainly not comprehend how deep this can go and were more there for their group bounding and experience-oriented adventure. Relying on enlightenment to solve problems won't work, yet (but) let alone through meditation you become more effective in the world. See studies about the increase in grey matter, ability to recall memories, less anxiety etc. I can speak from personal experience about enlightenment only so far because of psychedelics, which showed me insights during physical real-life retreats that was more or less validated by monks with 40y+ experience. For instance, the main reason why I practice and why I am still practicing is because I dislike pain, I never and still do not quite understand why people suffer. It never made sense to me. You can argue with me about this as long as you want, but it still does not make sense to me. This is a greater perspective about after (post - ) enlightenment.

@Joseph Maynor same I asked him too and received the response a super empathic red, that is totally about embodyment and embodies solving world problems. I also resonated with the 1-2-3 of god description you gave, of realizing everyone is a god. In the book from don beck spiral dynamics in action he mentions that coral is about a more planetary scale.

For every one piece fan.

Wait till 1:15 (Video above)

@lmfao Yeah, that quote is on my mirror in the bathroom ?. I see programming as this currently.

@tsuki Perfect example lol. Did not see that.

I love Allan Watts, I listened to his audiobooks so many times. It adds up quite well with the history that shinzen talks about in Buddhism and all ordeals and lectures zen monks have to go through just leaves you with a smirk. I loved it since I was able to ask questions to people in China for instance in one lecture he talks about that a child in China will ask his father or mother, how will I grow? In the west in comparison, one will ask how was I made and he retraces it back to Jesus father being a carpenter and people in Asia being more attuned to nature. With Daoism etc. The way people care about food alone is way different than here in the west, it truly is a Get-to­ge­ther which helps to foster relationships, etc. This is one reason why I like "business" so much. Won't make sense but fine. For me, Allan watts is a timeless classic, who taught me the fallacies of green and chartered me into the lower left quadrant and lower right from Ken Wilbers model 4 quadrant model. https://ecovillage.org/solution/integral-theory-of-ken-wilber/ All of this meaninglessness and being tired and complacent was a big joke. I am the one who was and is responsible for creating meaning in the day and age of lack of meaning. I mean we don't crusade for the Christian church or proselytize about it to create some form of sacrificial concept of who our savior is anymore. With polyarchy and pluralism available there are many options to actively engage in meaning creation by choosing and voting for one's interest as an example. Or to follow one's dreams actively. What I did not understand 3 years ago is that it is so easy to create meaning, by taking action. Yet, at high to low green it might take a while to realize that. Even meaninglessness itself can create meaning in the sense that if nothing matters, you can do and create what you want. Many don't realize this and are complacent, as I am myself yet to a significantly lower degree now. Still, a 23h train ride from Beijing to Shanghai in a shitty cabin while listening to Alan Watts during chinese new year was one of the most fantastical experiences I had and I am so grateful for that. Every travel I made, I had synchronistic experience about my boss always having been listening to Allan Watts, so I always looked if they are a bit more yellow. Allan Watts for me is perfect for green, since it shows the arbitrariness and quirkiness and meaninglessness of things. Now that I feel more stable yellow and listen to it again, it is quite evident how my perception has changed through a couple of years of meditation now. It is like my senses are sharp. Currently, I like Mingur Rinpoche and Peter Ralston a lot. I love Peter Ralston's cup. A true mystery bottles and drinking.

@flowboy Keep up the work! I can recommend Alan Carrs Book about stopping to smoke if you want to end it forever!

I like it! especially the drawings about the cosmos. You could check out Alex Gray and Cao Yong for inspiration. I have no idea about art and certain styles, yet I appreciate and love all sorts of paintings or creative expressions. https://www.alexgrey.com/art https://www.caoyong.us/ArtPrintHtml/FreedomNewArtPrint.php