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@Zeus Well, where do you feel that this occurs or is that a specific place where you feel this? What do they say and where do you feel or perceive they say something? Inside your body, skull, or outside the body? How would you describe the insanity? Is there no image? For instance, the last retreat I was a bit pissed... and I started to repeat out loud Eckhart Tolle tapes (while listening) after the first day ended or so, thinking he is a dirty weasel... ( I am not joking) anyway... at one point my whole perception changed and I felt I could hear his subconscious through the phone's loudspeakers, because I was talking. Also, the next weekend I did a meditation session with nature sounds and listened to a river and I could hear myself screaming through that river. It was quite odd. After a while, my body began to shake and it felt as if someone chiseled away at my solar plexus and my teeth started to chatter, which I was not able to control, but sort of felt if I'd had to I could stop, but I was just going with it. In case you want to PM instead of writing in the thread ~ feel free.

@How to be wise That is the same as feeling hungry, and denying that you are hungry. As if colonialism, has not had an impact on the present.

I just saw a video of the trump administration wanting to put nuclear waste, on top ! or near a seismic active region. Not sure how this is dealt with globally. @Anderz https://www.businessinsider.com/migrant-children-in-cages-2014-photos-explained-2018-5?r=US&IR=T I heard this was a hot topic, yet if Trump uses the same tactic (sniff) it certainly is not an upgrade in policy and he builds a wall. There is so much talk, it would be nice if someone offers a solution, and not solely marketing campaigns and rhetoric to convince masses or use some form of domestic protectionism as a solution, not trade. I would love to see that people build more apprenticeships (in case that model even exists in America) in order to deal with mass immigration so they could benefit society, or other solutions working together with the country to boost the economy in that country, to reduce mass immigration. In the end, a state is also a slave to its economy and therefore companies, When I see the refugees here in Germany, there are somehow always some non-profit organizations, caring for them often green and leftists people. Even if you don't hear it that much. Also, there are actually "lefties" here who are more for the labor union and the abolishment of classes in some latently existing way or support the working class through ... labor unions, free internet access, and more anti-capitalistic ideas, also violent ones. Also, a lot of younger people volunteer to help with the refugee crisis. When I see America, I would never have that impression that younger people would care about social causes. Besides the environment, animal rights, abortion rights?, gender identity, and yes the justice democrats talking about stuff, like public health care, or Bernie Sanders for free tuition for college. Anyway, I will follow the news and also, will read their election program, to see what the 2020 elections will be about.

@Zeus Is there a specific place where you feel this? That sounds more positive than negative overall, yet is there a particular reason for it to feel so overwhelming or is it just the sheer amount of crying that occurred this week? After the last retreat, I noticed that sound is extremely odd after I distance myself from youtube videos and I felt I hear some "patterns" that sort of lead to something higher.. or lower! Yet, it did not fit into the conversation and now this is somehow gone. Is there no picture or image inside, when you talk to them? Would you describe it as more positive or did you read anything about such occurrences? Before I ask more questions I leave it at that. I am just curious and hopefully, you can deal with that. I heard that people can talk to angels and meet etc, yet I am not sure. This goes beyond logic. Potentially someone else can use logic or has experience here on the forum if it bothers you or is even helpful, to share!

@Zeus How did that happen? My friend talked to me once about a very weird experience which is not supposed to be a dream. Which well, I just took it and accepted it. He told me that everything that he saw was represented in numbers and it somehow reminded me of the number pi. The way he explained it and the notion that I remember from him explaining... Can you describe what it was/is like talking to other beings? Also, how they look like? Yet, sometimes I have similar awareness but more with nature and animals, which scares the crap out of me. Yet, extremely rare my ego is most likely scared to go all the way, or yes I also question if I am deluded in my case.

@Chumbimba Wow, thank you a ton! These were the instructions I received yesterday in case I receive a kriya "attack/cleanse" again sweeping through the motion of the experience meaning using a body-sweeping technique. + a different approach to zoom out and cover the whole body and as far as I understood it cover the whole experience through that ~ zoom out ~ awareness. I have these around my solar plexus, it feels like it is almost gone, yet the pain after the two kriyas "attacks" reduced significantly. I never imagined that something like this is so profound, I had only one friend telling me that he has two similar feelings, at different spots "charkas" or whatever terminology/lingo. Shinzen called it psycho-spiritual purification. Also, that in extreme cases people make grimaces and make animal sounds. IIRC - for me, it has a lot to do with feelings of crippled mastery(I went to music school... when I was 2 years old), being made fun of, over-competitive freaks who made fun of me, exploitation and feeling powerless, denied curiosity, denied questioning which now almost feels like zero. It has gone down from pain level 9000 to 90 spiking up to 3000..... for a retardedly "true" scale. Thank you again! Also for your report!

@Chumbimba Did any release occur of old pain, shame guilt etc. at the retreat there from any of the partitioners? I just learned that these releases are called kriyas and that they can occur at more intense retreats, like Vipassana retreats. I applied once for one from Goenka, yet they were already full. Also, that is important to stop practice for some time if it gets too intense, for instance, kriya experiences happening out of the blue, in mundane life. IIRC!! Which technique did you use and if possible could you describe the vipassana technique that you used for the retreat? I saw a couple of videos about it and saw that they labeled, for instance, each step with the label step or walking smth similar. Since I am practicing a different vipassana technique I am very curious how the process of meditation in "original" vipassana looks like, could you describe the technique used at the retreat? Thank you for the report!

@outlandish Can do, yet won't happen in the next 3-2 years lol. Most likely not possible.

@outlandish I don't know. When a neuroscience consultant and many others say that stuff happens. Then I am quite sure something will happen. Why is a different discussion in which I certainly do not have the credentials. So, I am left to do my own testing and research. That is not my point, I was searching for an alternative since it is illegal here. Sure, I already "found" a way to get access to it, yet how safe it is is a different story. One quote from my teacher is "Enlightenment is becoming comfortable in the dark". Many masters have already done this apparently, so I was curious. So, I was thinking about this quote for some time. Otherwise, it would combine even both, a retreat and a 5-MeO experience, so it could even be more powerful for free. Yet, these retreats still cost money. Also, you could do 5-MeO and do a retreat, so you could even compare when you do both what you prefer or which is more powerful. In case dark room retreats work like that, I did not dive into any research or high-quality material, besides the videos above.

@Serotoninluv Apparently it does both according to man tak chia, first produces 5-MeO Dmt and then DMT Apparently, one week is needed.

@Serotoninluv Okay, I just googled and checked wiki I was going with assumptions.

@Serotoninluv yes, I was not aware of that 5-meo-dmt is the substance and dmt the chemical. @FredFred Here is one report. From this guys school above. Shinzen also talks about long periods in darkness he did a 100 days isolation in darkness and reported seeing people as insects afterwards so I am a bit scared. Another guy on the forum I wrote told me he stopped after 4 days.

@Leo Gura Is it possible to produce 5-MeO naturally through dark room retreats? I heard that this is possible. Yet, I am very scared to try this version...

Chakras and kriyas would be a perfect video not sure if the two are related. Or kriya experiences. @Leo Gura

At best you actively create meaningful experiences for you and others ideally.

@Michael569 For me I found it is an up and down. The more I read up about what interested me the more I sense that even knowledge is interconnected to some degree, considering history. I stopped watching TV 4 years ago and I don't own a TV in my apartment. Stopped watching animes 3 years ago, because of lost of interest. I watched one series the whole 3 years and glimpse into a 20-minute video from time to time. Reduced video games, which has been especially effective this year. Only playing on two days. Otherwise, I had potentially a 5h of video games if even per month. The last 4 years with some setbacks, where I gamed for two weeks or a month. Basically what changed is that I read more and watch my high-quality youtube videos and engaged with live more, traveling, meeting old friends who study abroad, journaling a lot. Way more sports and fitness, dabelling into interests. Yet, all of these interest comeback in a newly defined way especially when changing lifestyles for instance. You can even choose your social milieu based on your interest. https://www.sinus-institut.de/en/sinus-solutions/sinus-milieus/. Which also makes sense when you talk with people from different social classes and upbringings, what they value or what you can talk about then. This model is used in marketing. For instance, I get along quite well with people who are more environmentally conscious, high-performance people or cosmopolitan people. I dislike hedonists for instance and conservatives and get along quite well with modern mainstreamers, and adaptive navigators are so so. I want to join and move to a different city and join a political party for instance, and live in a more digital city where I can talk about tech subjects where people are actually interested in it and not taking it as a means to an end. Also, doing martial arts and being financially independent, after I am done studying. I notice that interests solely depend upon knowledge not having even read 100 books and natural inclinations, the more important point is to expand upon that or even learn a new skill. Or filter information intake for a while + exploring new hobbies, diving or kayaking smth. active. I also, want to do yoga but learn it from a studio, especially hatha-yoga. A lot of history connects back to ideas of movies and films etc. I definitely want to do meetups again. Living in a bigger city, otherwise enjoying life and nature is always beautiful. I definitely want to do biking as a hobby if I would move to a more "rural" area. Here is my egotistical perspective... a classic lol...

@CreamCat Leo's new video explains this perfectly lol. My prof always ranted about shit quality questions and he is a high performer who thought at Columbia. No idea why this guy is here, besides that he owns his own company.

@CreamCat You could benefit tremendously listening to the videos from shinzen, that would completely eradicate this whole conversation. An enlightened master with a math background, neuroscience and a phd is above 99% of the population.

@CreamCat @CreamCat I think this is a very noble perspective, it this is the whole point that you most likely not understand. To sacrfice, oneself for a higher cause is very blue. See crusades, missionaries etc. Yet, it is necessary. Or even a hero, dschingis khan was a hero for his folk too, the same with Jeanne d’Arc. Creation and non-creation is also a better frame of mind then fight and non-fight. Imo since it involves the process as a process and not a fight as an uphill battle meaning there is always an internal opposition confronting your path. Creation feels less egoic and struggle~ish. There have always been underground movements, zealots, avant-gardes, partisans etc. Was your whole point not to include personal development with enlightenment or spiritual work ? I am out of the conversation so far, I don't feel I add value currently.

@CreamCat You are avoiding the question. Why not take on the perspective for the sake of the perspective...........

@CreamCat You can already determine now which fight you want to fight for. It is already great that you have an intention to become a master and change and/or excel in a field of your choice, especially if you have the capability to do it. Did you read so far anything or listen to anything about the traditions, if you ask about enlightenment in the context about personal development? What did you hope to clarify through your question?

Can ya'll leave grand master Hitler out of the game? He had his reasons ok.

@CreamCat You would basically be a modern version of a bodhisattva then. Which I want to strive towards to also.

@CreamCat The most advanced teachers say that the journey into enlightenment itself does not end. They keep learning that is why embracing a beginners mind is important. I keep learning new things about the technique I use daily or weekly after a couple of years. For instance, my teacher says the beginnings of meditation are the first 10 to 15 years. Yet, when talking about the practice you would not even notice that it is that serious. There are different degrees of enlightenment that you can read about, for instance, state-stages from ken Wilber or from any tradition jhanas, samadhis and what does not exist. Be wary of green spirituality uplifting a single person and choosing them to be the "enlightened" one simply because they share their view or represent a quality that they like. It's useless to talk with them, you can do it to compare and contrast, but it's not very effective. Yellow is more technical, but not in an orange sense of knowledge and knowledge about concepts, but more in a functional way. For instance the zen retreat where I went to last year, had 1 2 guys who studied physics one who studied math, a computer scientist, a girl who studied smth. related to humanity and environment, le moi + 3-4 classic green spirituality type people. The green guys did not attend every sesshin(meditation session), as the yellow people did. Talking to the yellow people was more about functionality and making something out of the experience, not beliefs and making others feel comfortable and belonging to their community. Green thought it was on the same conceptual framework then the zen master. Questions from a yellow perspective prompted also very very different answers from the zen master. Green was more about, meaning, why do it, it all relative, it is somehow fun and good, is it not religious. They did certainly not comprehend how deep this can go and were more there for their group bounding and experience-oriented adventure. Relying on enlightenment to solve problems won't work, yet (but) let alone through meditation you become more effective in the world. See studies about the increase in grey matter, ability to recall memories, less anxiety etc. I can speak from personal experience about enlightenment only so far because of psychedelics, which showed me insights during physical real-life retreats that was more or less validated by monks with 40y+ experience. For instance, the main reason why I practice and why I am still practicing is because I dislike pain, I never and still do not quite understand why people suffer. It never made sense to me. You can argue with me about this as long as you want, but it still does not make sense to me. This is a greater perspective about after (post - ) enlightenment.

@Joseph Maynor same I asked him too and received the response a super empathic red, that is totally about embodyment and embodies solving world problems. I also resonated with the 1-2-3 of god description you gave, of realizing everyone is a god. In the book from don beck spiral dynamics in action he mentions that coral is about a more planetary scale.