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@Leo Gura ?? @something_else I presume because of this. https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/what-turns-women-on-science I don't quite understand how the mystery then is lost, I could understand it from a males pespective, yet not quite female. I do think from reading and she asked for my insta I already sort of showed her a big part of my world by making out and heavily escalating she can intuit how much experience etc. I have or potential. When she looses interest in that and just sees other guys in the club or even when going home. There is a lot new mystery and you basically have been already explored partially and discovered, as well as, emotional connection could have stopped somehow and just having most likely that initial spark of being seen as valued and sexy and then exploring that again that is fun. The other women that was part of her crew made out with a couple of guys and basically steadily received that validation. When I review that night and basically she will never loose interest in novelty, discovery and mystery from a sheer perspectival viewpoint. ----- She'll most likely will become defensive when the emotional connection is lost and depending on her standards etc. She from an individual perspective definitely can loose the opportunity of being seen as valued and sexy when she is seen as easy access and everybody made out with her. She basically closes herself of to exploring that mystery and building emotional connection because most high value guys then want nothing to do with her and the lower value guys will just not be able to produce the same kind of experience. Depending on her standards and she might even like it that way. This is sort of my reflection closing and finding that opportune moment was not easy I basically had to force it a bit by staying proactive, yet still the whole process was messed up of mystery. It could have also been that her friend was the issue I did not take care of her properly as a friend of mine did it, yet he had no interest in her and I did not know that. Unsure just going through options and ideas. Sparking that imagination again of showing her your world and building emotional intimacy that thing has to close most likely at one point.

@Thought Art https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSE-gidTbh8

@Thought Art Thanks mate! @Leo Gura Thanks for the feedback! I was unsure how to close and kept asking if I can come with her. I intuited that I'd had to close I don't know will see. The last minute resistance really kicked in. It's odd how this still felt like building rapport. Thanks definitely will keep this in mind. Are heavy escalation and make outs generally sparsely deployed even during night game? I do think during the day it definitely would be strange.

@itachi uchiha That is the main reason I bought the book from robert greene because I was tired of friends playing manipulation and status games even though I did not fully read it. I do think consciouness auto corrects a lot of this stuff and automaticall helps you to find more conscioues people. You once had a post on how to grow in stages (spiral dynamics, susan cook greuter) I answered then the data became corrupted in the forum. You can basically and this is new "info" grow stage with only 20-40 minutes of meditation and you are in college/uni. IIRC it was 1h before 2 stages in 4 years or 1 stage in 2 years. Development usually arrest around age 26-29 max IIRC. If the enviroment is not conducive. For growth. Then every 5 years one stage including. I don't know about tier 3. But this is basically what I wanted to post for your thread. I don't know living in a hostile enviroment I can certainly see how protecetive some of this stuff is especially when I consider just toxic red friends. The sort of fundamental hack is a zazen practice because it disambiguates power dynamics although this is info from Wilber courses I have notes, I am unsure how applicable that is in a non first world country. As it definitely works here. I'd do intuit if I'd had the competence I could lead way better then most people currently do with their level of consciouness. Yet, with stage red people it's an issue. Although I really have to say I am quite good at disambiguation power dynamics it's just that when I want power myself people really drag me down. It's odd. You'd enter a We based experience from Tier 1 and Tier 2 and in Tier 3 you'd bascially have a full power transcendes if my understanding is correct. I liked one thing from Sadghuru and this sort of the trick many people play with me memory is hierachy. It's odd playing with that anyway. This will be just rambeling I bet you know more then I what is better to do in an enviroment like this. Might be good food for thought or not.

@itachi uchiha The dude who leads this basically does/did jiu-jitsu etc. So be wary if you never been there there are definitely conscious aspects to masculinity deraling every group without exploring it is quite myopic. There is no real need in my opinion to be that way. I think it's a fantasy for young men to be that way. There are non-violent ways to develop masculinity I saw this with my old friends who like this stuff and they basically just feel the red stage of development and their vulnerabillity drive of being unable to defend themselves because they are small and exposed to forces they have no control over. I am in the same boat, yet I contemplated this way longer then them. Obviously, this will not defend you from physical harm. Also this is stuff from Ken Wilber integral coaching conflating it with EVERYTHING else that is out there is just not the case. I've been to the coaching stuff basically two times and it's a lot about purpose as a man constantly it's about purpose very often. I've been basically forced to be with these kind of men when I was younger who see themselves as super masculine like gym owners and DIY attitude people and saw the limitating perspective. I feel and intuit this stuff runs way deeper and is about more. Some get it some don't. The obsession with fighting when I saw the black belt I trained with in Judo for the couple of months I've been there as well as seeing Dr.Keith Witt who did a lot of martials arts from integral. They will all tell you it's about smth. way deeper, yet they just like bashing heads and fighting. You can also see it (BOTH conscious and unconscious aspects). Especially when you meditate before you start the martial art etc. Same with holligans who learn martal arts to crush their heads and fight their enemies there is not much consciouness there. I do think working out that karma in a sense is good, yet hurting other people is just no a conscious way to deal with things and breeds this macho attitude that is just not good. I do think just zazen gives you a good taste, it's a non bullshit approach to feeling very masculine naturally. Developing and becoming a warrior is great, I do think wisdom is more powerful in a sense. Ultimately I do not know. We are still living in the 21. century. Things are moving forwards not backwards. This is what I think when I see people getting stuck in martial arts and fighting etc. Being stuck in deep red vulnerabilltiy part or creation part. I bought courses from Integral and went through them meditated on each stage of development besides turqouise. Just based on my experience and other more conscious people warning me. I do think red pill stuff is an issue when not consciously applied. It's similar to a boxer going out and punching people for fun because he has the power to do it. Instead of knowing his power and practicing humility in that sense because he is powerful etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with defending yourself and learning it it is certainly beautiful. Creativity can also be a good outlet. As well as exploring the drive itself. These are mainly my observations about masculinity as long as it's not opressive but expressive I do think it's quite healthy. Definitely took me a while to figure things out on my own. I still do not know enough about it, yet generally I do feel a good taste of it.

@itachi uchiha I'll check it out in time. I took part in a mens circle via integral some practices just give you direct nature of masculinity like zazen or just working out and lifting weights.

@Lyubov Oh yeah the propaganda. Arbeit macht frei. Jedem das seine. People still saying that is scary. But hey we are not racist!

@Lyubov That's what I mean why group him there? According to these sites they just group him there. I have the image of some red pill nazi doing what the fuck he wants and gangbanging some rando girl into the wall screaming fuck yeah murica. Uh. Smash. I don't think these books correspond with that image at all. No idea still what red pill is about neither am I that interested lol.

@Ingit If you want to do it on your own research your body type and face type and buy fitting clothes. For example polo shirts look good on me and show my body type, arms etc. https://www.realmenrealstyle.com/dress-for-body-type/ https://bespokeunit.com/face-shapes/ I went shopping on black friday the whole day just to find some clothes and talked to the retail workers there which can be good or bad depending on how honest and well-dressed she herself is. Yet, he/she can serve as feedback for what clothes look good on you if you are unsure. There are also style guides on YouTube choose one thing and focus on that and build slowly. Definitely enjoy what you are wearing the confidence will show. Also this: A gay guy cuts my hair and for my first dates I made sure my best friends girlfriend selects clothes with me via online shopping. She also chooses very good pictures ask around!

Just reading the blue truth by david deida as well as the way of superior men shows me the brutal nature of masculinity/masculine energy in a sense. It is unforgiving and relentless. You give give and give and are not supposed to be tainted/moved by your giving moving towards your purpose. Basically being unmoveable in that sense and to not falter on your path is what makes a man strong or the core essence / feeling reality / nature of a masculine driven being. Giving your masculine gifts as divine presence, divine purpose etc. Is what makes a man strong in my opinion having and following his vision. The blue truth is especially good opened my eyes about what it means to be a man on a virtue level perspective. For instance even when I chicken out approaching I do think it shows the virtue of courage and I am unsure what is wrong with that for instance. I do think "system wise" David Deida has the best approach to becoming a real man from a higher point of view as well as including sexuality. Yet, the praticalities about dating are just not covered in there. I am still unsure about red pill stuff I consumed some of it by just buying books that I am interested in and not knowing they were red pill according to some lexicon. For instance. https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/red-pill https://thepowermoves.com/best-red-pill-books/ What is so super toxic about the information contained in some of these books? If David Deida is red pill then there is no hope for anything anymore. I never looked deeply into red pill, yet I do think a lot of people just miss use information and made the repute of red pill community as well as it's members very negative. I don't know about it's inside though. Is this stuff really red pill or are people just not very smart and there is an issue with the original meaning of the concept red pill. Is it not supposed to show some truth about how stuff works?

I'll go out on saturday most likely and see aim for 5-10 numbers although it's not going to be ease with low amount of volume of people. I am actively creating my dream life, yet some of the social stuff like racism etc. really holds you back if you are the only one who is bi-racial/black etc.(the great constructions ....) It really is an issue.

I approached two girls I know the number is not quite high, although basically I received my first number and I have similar issues when it comes to online-dating inital attraction is great, yet there is no real way of me then getting her to meet up again. Online it's just getting the number currently. There are multiple things that go into consideration. Text her instantly create some fun (advanced) Text her next day set up meeting (beginner) Start doing stuff with her and let the number just sit there because you know the girl is most likely in to doing smth. Did not tell her my name She replied to me once So, basically what can I do after I receive her number the conversations just seem to end? I just thought about not thinking to much and acting which was a mistake in a sense since my skill level is not at a subconscious integration part. Now, basically chat summarization/detail: Me: What's up XOYX? How was club XYZ yesterday ?? (after 1h) She: Hey not much, club XYZ yesterday was nice Me: Haha at least the people started dancing on the pole Me: Let's meet via zoom. Me: When do you have time? (after 3h) Me: Btw, my name is XYZ ? (after 4h) She: sorry I am quite busy and I generally do not like to meet via that way at all. Me: KK She just replied 1 minute ago with the last message, I do have an issue with being assertive and not being in a business like mode. There are so many more chats, yet currently I can't find the right way to do this stuff. Many don't like zoom and corona does limit some options and I would like it if a women can take me out of my logical mind a bit since otherwise I'd meditate, workout or engage in some activity. Yet, no idea if this is just fantasy. No idea what to reply, if one if you guys is fast enough and has experience it would be nice if he/she more he please my lord. Save this conversation because I am just at my end here for now.

This sounds like my kind of fantasy if I can get good at approaching this is legit giga funny and real.

@hyruga Looks good. Keep pumping that basal ganglia .

@Leo Gura That is true I wanted more numbers to let go of the investment part. Your advice is gold I can let things be open and be assertive this is what I really like instead of this extrem macho let's do it mentallity. Other girls replied, I could have initiated marriage yesterday without sex till after marriage. I was a bit mind-blown self-sabotage is insane as well as religous cults. I am also through the entire OkCupid base right now. I'll apply lessons now to Tinder etc. Other plans. @Raze Thanks I bought a course from the og David DeAngelo, where also Neil Strauss/Styles is in for online dating. I am going through it for the third time as recommended for online dating. I learned more about text game from online dating, yet this example was offline related. I'll really cut this down I do have quite high standards. I checked out the links the short ones are really good exactly what I was looking for. I'll rewatch them and take some notes + action on them soonish.

@hyruga A camera or recording yourself can also work Leo in his new video has one part where he explains what to research if this is about game and talk about this then. IIRC current pop-culture, there was more. I am taking notes on this sooner or later. From David DeAngelo books everything including violence, history for e.g is good. Not politics.

@hyruga Dude man I had no idea how to express myself I wrote fking volumes of journals handwritten. It flows naturally if you can put in an hour and do some sort of practice I did shadow work and just sheer self-expression in my journals it works sort of digesting my nervous energy through writing. If you live in a larger city you could do toasmasters and prepare some sort of presentation and present it untill you are satisfied with the result of the presentation. For me journaling helped with self-expression especially internally expressing myself than externally and finding words for my internal stirrings. It's way better then it used to be people legit enjoy listening to me now. Which is good. It's a craft.

@Leo Gura Leo I hate this dating thing.

She replied now I don't know whish me luck for the date positively. I'll contact her in a couple of min.

@Leo Gura Thanks I thought about suggestings drinks and offered coffee now, she was just not interested after the first message I presume. I am chatting right now from a date that does not show up online. I am texting other girls. She declined told me she has no time, so basically I messed up attraction. Also, thanks for emotional support she was quite hot. I knew the number meant nothing and I was pissed at my friend and me having to do all the work as usual because of casual trash. Even if he get's more girls online. I don't know I delete all the fake women now from my online profiles I am tired of this attention seeking back and forth shit. ------- I even did subconsciously because I asked her if she is from this area. So, she was not disinclined for dancing etc. I was just pissed that I have to constantly deal with this insane paradoxes and nobody really is there and my friend complaining about music and me having to dance with an injury my friend completely dismissing that it affects me. The point is also I am more of a magician I knew she was a student I knew she lived her I knew she was busy I knew she wanted to go out and have fun, yet I just did not engage in a fun activity with her on the spot, this is what I mean with I am tired of this city to constantly do all of this stuff alone feels like I am a maniac. Also just not very good wingmanship....

@hyruga This might be a weird unstructural thing to do, yet practice talking to yourself. For instance I tend to explain to myself everything and there is no real time to think about what you say when you do that. Or just writting endless gibberish having to make sense is not the point you can sort of rely on intuition and just write or speak. Without having the need to be logical and make sense. Who cares? You can also have fun especially when you are alone infront of the computer or smth. similar. For instance I read about a concept and I talk about what I intuit is and is not correct and it sort of balances it out. When talking casually you can also ask questions or find the things that connects. Instead of getting lost in it all. Also massive journaling does help self-expression from a survival non-contemplative level of experience. Also, letting go of perfection there is only virtue.

@Thought Art I go through the notes when I am stuck on something. As well as I re-define my values as I feel relevant at best currently every 3 months, so I create meaning and it helps with changing behaviour and activities and getting a kick out of that. Once a year I set yearly goals I've read all the books now I feel I am just now getting started. Depending on how useful the content right now is in my life I review notes or watch a video. I feel new input from other sources is also very valuable.

@hyruga Yeah, I saw one test vice-versa with a guy that is a jacked famous model making a picture with a dog. Receiving 40-50+ likes in a couple of hours. On which plattform did you create the account? OkCupid is working match wise I had like 4-7 matches this week. Bumble is a bit more difficult. I did not know that they use an elo system for rating your account based on fundamentally how selectively you choose and get chosen. More matches higher elo rating the less matches and the more right swipes without matches the lower your elo score. So, pictures are really important. I at least received one intro so far and I get liked 2-3 times a week, yet my messages get the most results apparently. So I recive 4-7 matches a week on one plattform and Bumble one peer week currently. That is 5-8 girls per week in a 100k city which is good I feel. I'll find a way to get the pictures to work and "automate" this stuff. Setup two dates now finally. Ideally two more like one.

I wanted to ask what kind of pictures worked for you the most? Pictures including social proof for example hanging-out with friends as well as doing your hobby for instance playing the piano, violine or skateboarding etc. As more hobbies are more down-to-earth reading,meditating,cycling,hiking as well as coding/engineering etc. I do have some issues with pictures currently and their setting. My question is what kind of pictures helped you attracting women online personally? I make a list of pictures ideas to get creative gears churning. Cycling Playing chess Reading Travelling exotic place Travelling adventeruous place Travelling modern city Picture in nature, a park, forest etc. Pictures with friends hiking, cycling, travelling together Snowboarding Coding Playing the guitare,piano etc. Simply professional pictures taken by a photographer Exercising Deadlifts Squats Specific exercises Happy with friends exercising, partying, clubbing, sitting at a table talking Clubbing pictures Halloween pictures In a bar with friends Pictures with women/female friends eating, talking, having fun Meditating Yoga Working on your business or craft Sculpturing Wood work Drawing Showing an impressive feat Juggling Boxing Judo Martials arts Pictures with interests as shirt for example superman shirt, favorite rock band, artist etc. Pictures with a celebrity Doing push-ups Calisthentics Humerous pictures walking out of a bank with a wheelbarrow full of fake money (looks like robbed a bank), dressed as santa claus standing on a roof etc. Dancing Even just studying Drinking tea Playing golf Beign very muscular Doing pull ups Wearing glasses Glasses on/off Accessories on/off Shirt or T-shirt Pictures in a suit Any assertive confidence displaying poses? Pictures infront of sports car Pictures at a festival Pictures at a tech meeting cebit in Germany for example Certain colors even did a red shirt stand out etc. Picture with CEO of a company or start up Pictures at the beach I think this is enough I am curious to what worked for you I am not interested into faking interests as I am looking still for ideas for picture besides taking a vacation and using travel pictures soonish if that is even possible right now lol. Also cool if you can provide some examples. Till now the professional taken pictures worked the best for me. TLDR; What kind of pictures worked for you for online dating? Yes I make everything to a science.

@SamC Nothing that really worked fully for me as an idea I tried scheduling activties that I want to do in my free time. This does still work mostly although I am not 100% consistent in that sort of scheduling. Yet, I find unplanned free time can be an hinderance since there is so much stuff I like it's not easy to find an activity that I really want to do. I wish I would have done that earlier. As much play as possible as I feel this is essential to re-charge creative batteries. For striking balance nothing really worked for me this is where I have an issue as I can be obsessive about stuff. TLDR; Bullet journal Schedule free time where free time is available Execute