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Thanks I'll keep it in mind. Just saw it costs 24€ per heavy metal, by going to a doctor lol that is expensive.

@Jannes Where did you make the test? I'd be curious also here from Germany too!

Sorry, I did not read this. Basically you can sweep through the body and for example start with the feet, and move towards the skull. Slowly with awareness and concentration going through the body and notice, where guilt is held as an emotion. Then do that again from top skull to bottom feet and look just how your body feels. Go through shoulders, legs,hands, extremities ears, let eye lids relax. You can set the intention to explore guilt and journal afterwards, e.g 20 min body-scan and 10 min journal afterwards to describe what you felt. With mindfulness skills, you can with practice dive heads deep into it and penetrate without a strict body-scan technique. Similar to UnbornTao's answer with direct inquiry. Just without inquiry and just pure penetration. I did it more in a momentary awareness style, so I did not focus. I am using a khanika samadhi style of meditation. As that fits my personality the most.

@Emerald I think she is banned, it's a second account of pretty india, before saying more lol. I am unsure though, yet hi also as fellow INFJ.

@Ulax https://integrallife.com/integral-mindfulness-and-the-evolution-of-shame/ Is the link of the video of the session with corey from integral life, I was a member I'd wanted to do his book shadow light for a shadow process, as I did some IFS during a Shinzen retreat (I full-throttled the audiobook), you could check it out it might aid you. I am unsure how good it is, I did sections from online-courses from integral with him involved and it was a lot about sexuality and love, he has over 10k hours in couples therapy etc. and councled with presidents according to him. I'd definitely check him out. What I find funny about him, he likes psychology so much he himself still get psychotherapy it's sorta amazing lol. https://www.amazon.com/stores/Keith-Witt/author/B00J9VQYVU?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true It's unfortunately behind a pay-wall, yet you might find something of value

From experience I can only say from doing stuff on my own, probing with question on what is behind the guilt. I went pretty existential on a trip with meditation for this, where I was feeling ashamed to be human and steadily move to pride as an emotion, you could ask. Why do I feel guilty? What can I change to stop feeling guilty internally? Is it based on a belief system? What am I believing? In which situations does guilt manifest? Am I supressing guilt? Why am I supressing emotions? What am I afraid of? Does fear cause guilt? Probing with meditation (body scan technique etc, then write down what was evoked penetrating guilt so to say) Gult&Shame is a social modulator (i have this info from dr.keith witt from integral), it's a good mechanism to have if you consider survival, it helps to adhere to norms and not kill us (own interpretation as well as info from Witt). Exploring guilt is for me already the correct question, and part of the work, I also feel a lot of guilt more "esoteric" ressources helped me to deal with it just knowing I am apparently more prone to it, it's sort of like a feedback mechanism to me to see socities standards and question them, as well as personal beliefs and trapped emotions etc. Obviously, also to not go crazy and be a functional human to others. This is how I explored it through manual journaling mostly in early phases of development. I find it's connected to vulnerabillity and ego, I've certainly become more authentic and can come forth from a more innocent place. How to stop worrying and start living was a great book that helped me to overcome similar emotions and issue that might befall you, I could re-read it some principles are very good in there, like living in day-tight-compartments etc. Hope this is interesting and of value to you!

I dunno I liked the David DeAngelo online-course as it seems to me very blue-yellow pilled, I looked at the current dating scene and most of it that is somewhat clear I'd frame as orange pill, as it's very optimization based, and is not truely holistic, also women are included sometimes cherrypicked. This is nout about politics though, more about having clean sources and even without PUA knowledge guys, can be pretty toxic and virtue as well as vanity are two different things imo. I noticed how this goes a little out of hand, where a chinese guy I just got to know said "white girls are racist no?", I know my humour is hellacious at times. Still the orange pill would benefit him a lot, so to speak with more developed humans the issue would not exist. Also I find the orange pill partially exhausting, as it's about a numbers game, while this is true. Finding strategies and inner game that works. I don't think many do this to integrate this in a vision of themselves that is not "hyper-masculine", I'd still like to see vulnerabillity game from a jacked guy. To see the difference. I think toxic masculinity has been on the rise since Covid-19? Even in South-Korea in their political landscape etc. was shaped by this. The unfortunate spiral truth is it's a numbers game and it takes skill & competence to get good with women. When you listen to Andrew Tate for dating advice, I personally feel you have to be partially delusional, at the sametime men relate to it because it validates some masculine worldview, that I personally think is stupid. I would prefer someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger to be seen as a masculine man, instead of Andrew Tate. Yet from going out I know a lot of guys like it because it's funny and toxic, and then act with well where is your non-judgement now? I just can't watch it I am to influenceable, the dating advice I got is pretty good, it takes just a lot of practice and most of the priority to build a nuclear family as it's their desire to do so. Beign a low value guy (no prolific future) and also seeing how a lot of "assholes" get the girl. I've read some stuff, where they explain it's mostly about assertivness and needs, and to not be that guy. Ex: I was out with a friend who is like super nice and loving and well-off possibly millionair (2w3) (I don't usually ask this stuff), beign out with the gucci bag kids so to speak, I see a very attractive girl, guy comes see her as her equity, she had to scream him away with her friends (drunk) they all show him the middle finger as the biggest bouncer packs him at the neck and throws him out, I approached her afterwards as I know I am not like this, and she seemed to calm down, and this must seem to have happend more often (by my observations), my approach was somewhat okay? Yet I am newbie I did not even approach 10 girls I think and I almost got laid and received petting in the club (obviously as I work on myself). Anyway! Afterwards my friend who is super nice and loving (he hates this sh*t) described above, slept with her I had to laugh at how good he is, yet he is basically blessed by enviroment and just looks, (not height) and has very good character also, he just sees a lot more thanks to experience, his best friend is quiet toxic imo, yet he had a pretty rough upbringing and still is like super-nice, just to much zeaolot. When incels are rising, it sort of explains why my mind is corrupted by this stuff without looking at it and the Andrew Tate projections (Strategist perception...) many women who are not very well educated are imo in an blue/orange paradigm with Green values, dictated by culture, and otherwise worse. At least here in Northern Europe. I think women should point out that Andrew Tate is unlikeable and disassociate from him, instead of showing up with him. This is where I see someone like Owen Cook and this whole Orange/green pill type LC's.... is what people want to some level. Obviously, I am inventing some stuff as nobody carries this flag so to speak. The rise of Andrew Tate without looking at any of it made me also more toxic just by beign a man, I don't know why same goes for incels. Andrew Tate for me on some level is sort of an incel. If the guy ever had spiritual sex, I doubt he'd be on that kind of scheming. It's all image and vanity, nothing virtues. The only virtue about is the authentic desire even if it's dark...

So true! Even when it hurts a little reading this.

Scores range from 1 (low) to 5 (high). Your score from primary psychopathy has been calculated as 2.3. Primary psychopathy is the affective aspects of psychopathy; a lack of empathy for other people and tolerance for antisocial orientations. Your score from secondary psychopathy has been calculated as 2.3. Secondary psychopathy is the antisocial aspects of psychopathy; rule breaking and a lack of effort towards socially rewarded behavior. First attempt was 2.0 and 2.8

I scored 7 first and the second attempt 13. I find the second attempt was more true. I was maxed in vanity and authority was very high, I also did this with a legit psychologist all my ranges are normal. I have one SD variance in beign rebellious and one SD variance in blaming others IIRC, also some 1 SD variance in beign avoidant in some sort and anti-social. All within healthy ranges, so these are things to work on. Especially the anti-social thing was good feeback. Don't have the scores did this a while back.

@Sincerity That is deep! I had more insights into the nature of consciouness and nature, although I guess on MDMDA I went into similar directions, I did not know it's neurotoxic, although I knew about the 2 months recovery. I wish these gender roles would break and a lot of academics&professional&engineers would see the good in their striver&achiever mentallity as many function from a very high place of modeling and design cognitive from yellow, and love that, model and design the relationship and women you love! Make it also beautiful for the women. Letting go of models might be asking for to much. As thinking is needed, and I am quiet a crappy engineer still, as I just shifted more heavily into the domain and I'd like to see how far I can go in terms of responsibility here. Positive role understanding would be a huge shift, from the overly individualistic ridden society of I hope humans can see each other in more unison, I find this war against men&gender tragic, in the senes that it's another ism. It's like the nuclear family is threatend by individualism (which it is with rampant consumerism etc.) I don't think any of this is realistic on a collective scale a few individuals might be able to go that deep without hurting themselves... Wish you the best! Hope you find someone you can be in unison with.

There could be a shift to seeing women&men as whole and in unison, especially when it comes to desires, sex and spirituality and not only material acquisition co-creation is still a deep desire I would love to see. It's mostly about vacation and fun. I find this to be quiet superfifcal a deep adventure and romance looks a bit different ( see spiritual quest seekers).

Just going to post what I think after going through what I wanted to go through: Vision oriented and purpose oriented Thinks about values and integrity and works on character qualties empathy,compassion/love,honesty, Is aware of shadow personality Knows what he wants most of the time Goes for what he wants Has drive Stability as well as aspects for a proper prolific future (excuse my english) A certain level of humility (depends on times...) Does not disregard the weak. Does not engage in gossip of the very toxic kind, in terms of gaterhing information I feel it's fine to talk about others sometime Keeps his word, and does his work (I struggle with this personally for various reasons, as I overestimate myself at times) Interested in god/spirituality in a non-dogmatic and non-idealogical way Has projects. Integrates feminine side, and is playful. Rejects toxic feminity!! Has courage to say the truth without going to ham Accept deeper yearnings&darker desires, and chooses to engage and not engage in them. Generally gives direction Can lean into feminine when to much masculine is present Is not overly neutral, yet is neutral when situation asks for it. Is a sexual creature, knows how to please women and enjoys it! Positive ownership in relationships Accepts feedback and does not engage in over-thinking Questions assumptions Let's go of control and controlling others and manipulating Does not act in the expense of others Does not engage in apeish group mockery, out of fear and insecurity Knows how to make fun of himself at times (not to much!!! no clowning) Takes care of physical health Is assertive and direct tells girlfriend 女朋友, boundaries, desires and is interested in holistic communcation and power disambiguation Motivates and supports partner in spiritual pursuit and carrer. Accepts others for who they are and is open-minded. Kicks out toxic loosers in his life who are disinterested in beign in integrity and are just in for the money (tricky, because some like this authentically and need to do the mistake eventually) Is a creator and comepetitor and is not overly competetive, as a certain level of healthy competition with focus on the process, art, beauty and the craft is needed. The best performance comes from god, lol. Is passionate about one and or two things in life (I struggle with this at some level, as I underwent some changes) No smoking cigarettes to be cool Not following toxic media and seeing it as the absolute pinnacle of what masculinity is about. Sees relationships as a mastery process Integrates healthy red (assertivness and going after what you want) with healthy yellow not going for excessive self-interest Upgrades life conditions without excessive self-interest and accepts the ineviabillity of some of it, without demonizing it to much. Non-judgement (I struggle with this to some extend) Aceepts women who have power (It's odd at times, yet I still empower it 99.9% of the times... that is an odd TQ quality... might be purple also) Helps and aids those weaker than himself does not see himself as above as well as beneath others. (tricky as hell -> look into the mirror) Integrates healthy tough love as well as healthy levels of compassion as a feminine approach (tricky as hell) Not lost in schizophrenic delusions (been there, learned some stuff) Accepts the inevitabillity of lonliness at times Non-needy as well as goes after his needs (see Abraham Maslow) healthy friendships, healthy networking (online&offline) etc. Even just brief interactions going out solo and talking to people. Is self-aware Chooses self-aware women/men/trans etc. Does not groom beigns to ones own ideaological agenda. Accepts influence Is aware of projections of others and does not blame others consistently, because of one's own "unfortunate circumstances" Asks for help Goes away from negative news & negative toxic warmongers Accepts most stage of the spiral and is aware of it's pitfalls in Spiral dynamics IMO prefers insight prior to knowledge Does not have predefined categories of women as social roles & stereotypes Engages in positive roles with partner and is aware of them TLDR; Is not a dick and is not a pussy. (I struggle with not beign a dick at times) This is mostly it.

You can dissolve power dynamics with communication, although that is an infinity endeavour, with endless rate in changes, where the point is about beign trans-logical, I don't have communications with any beign like this, and I still 99.9% of the time disambiguate power situation, just by the organic choice of use of language. Ironically! Some don't like this many love holding diaological power against the opposition in a fight and this is even good in the bigger picture. I was also fairly toxic, as I notice how important disambiguation of power is in a power position, if there is more peace and harmony within a country, not if there is a war... at stake. See this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev deposed, dethroned, collectively sabotaged for introducing more liberal politics in eastern europe etc. I recently noticed this has I've been in a position of no power and realized how "disgusting" most humans are as a means for their materalistic survival, even if that means a house and a car for children etc. As we had a task to work on data disambiguation for a pregnant women and analyze the data. The level of self-identification with survival drives (sex/food/hunger/thrist) fundamentally beige and purple... is extremely low, it's very frustrating to even realize how much of society&world is fundamentally run on this, and how stage orange excess basically kills the good wonders of it. I have to stop looking at it. I was happy I remembered this, as this change the dynamic of most groups, as I legit am the dumbest person in the room and that is a good thing. Many engineers struggle tremendously with women, if all you here is model this, model that model model model. The mind is just spinning towards wanting and seeing more beauty consciously at best and unconsciously 100%, beauty and love are not the samething, how feisty this get's for women and how much support in strength and power is needed and mostly comes from vulnerable men, that is the irony of it all. I like what Emerald said a lot, I don't like to dive into the details to much, as the collective and the energy body of mine is very masculine I notice, many feminine beigns regardless of gender, enjoy this kind of energy. It's like the kick-ass marital artist attitude, with a certain level of grace. In dating I had a couple of super artsy/spiritual women like my profile for authenticity and they were very good-looking human beigns. Building character is 100% worth it, I am still quiet willing to learn game I can learn a lot from the dark side also, for various reason not recognized where a lot of dark desires are simply not adressed and there is a huge hidden moral and twisted logic behind it imo for self-survival and agenda. I saw this with my friends who were just out for the "good-life" house, family and kids. The individual is reduced it's insane my current landlord thinks about me more than my old friend who was engaged in his "family business", because she realizes how that level of collective depth is missing and I am glad for that level of insight! What my new chinese friend told me with A.I scared the living shit out of me. I also think families are very important I would not be where I am at without my family. It's fundamentally a huge issue of striver&achiever mentality at best check out O'Fallon paper... like it's very obvious, as well as contemplate the 6 in the Enneagram as sx type they go for strength and beauty. We don't have a lot of healthy green to enjoy it's individuality and orientation towards growth and wholeness more naturally. The book the blue truth helps a lot for this perspective, engineers are very rigid about beauty&practicallity imo look at the zen of python, it's like a right they claim to have, as it's a highly regarded position within society, yet when it comes to liberal values, all of these achievments mostly fade, and if not embraced will be a striver&stage blue fundamental mentality, with a high cognitive capacity for yellow/turqouise thinking. Most engineers are stuck in striver&achiever mentality as you have to follow blueprints 99.9% of the time, it's very rigid and they see love as a conditional thing, and make things way to technical most don't care about this. The best engineers and professors are highly creative, they embrace a lot of stage green values of individuality. Dude how crazy women go for a hot men in engineering in terms of body language, it's quiet animalistic and I am injured out of existence lol. This is more a collective endeavour and a question of values imo, and it is a power struggle, people want responsbile people. Also constant growth can look very toxic, I find mastery to be something different and this is quiet difficult to put into words. For me I realized since Andrew Tate the world is more beige - blue, (heavy purple/red tribes lord mentality), then many like to admit. Anyway here are my two cents. If you are a 6'3 a.i engineer and many classes I have are full of nerdy type guys, who have healthy blue/orange = striver&achiever, a lot of ethnocentrism kicks-in and toxic masculinity in forms of "excess individuality", wholeness takes a lot of time. I am so fortunate to have holistic professors even in simply the attempt to be, it's insane. These people become so envious and jealous and bitter, at times I just began thinking more about god. I am more vulnerable myself, and I've seen some toxic stuff and most likely did even some toxic stuff in dating (not very toxic, yet maybe subtely toxic to some). The technical mumbo-jumbo is mostly survival business. Most engineers including myself want to good-life, yet things are unfortunately the way they are without metaphysics there is no proper orientation towards more wholeness, spirituality is missing so badly. Most prefer to see a kick-ass Andrew tate, as it justifies their worldview in so many aspects, it would make even 6w5 Infj melancholic/choleric Hitler proud lmao. Then again seeing onself as part of nature, apparently increased ethical behaviour..., so I dunno I get many engineers&nerds, as I naturally get some perks they will not have as I am a complete outlier. Healthy striving and achieving would even be very good for attracting women, many women like stable men. Beign injured showed me how harash masculine reality is even for geeky guys, and how important it is to focus on compassion in terms of beign lenient with stuff. etc etc.

If weed gives you brainfog and causes you to contract, you have pretty intense and hard conditoning, I've tested it when I was young never was the guy who smoked a lot and who chased after weed each day&weekend to skip school, as I was mainly going through life. I practically opened up to a more spiritual reality, yet was forced to re-condition myself socities standards, that was an eye-opener to me, I still did better than most of my non smoking friends in school, and it helped me to realize and see traumatic events and conditioning and to let go of some of it. I had a very deep trip on 1P-LSD and potentiated it with hash a few years back, when I was intersted in psychdelics, as I not interested in my late teen years to do synthetic drugs, and my mother was even fine with me smoking some cannabis, as long as I don't over do it, and I still have the most spiritual connection on cannabis, I never did shatter, and a good bong hit just elevates you to other spaces. I tried splice recently, and saw how stupid it is overload "dopamine receptors" the experience was very uncomfortable and non-spiritual. Also the deepest trips I had on LSD I potentiated with cannabis. When I potentiate the trip with meditation I would most likely refine and refer to different ideas, and use more body based practice and use vapes, as I I am sometimes not so health conscious and smoked joints. For me it's not the best tool, as I conditioned myself to rather lazy activites although I get strong spiritual vibes and insights when I do them, which is mostly video gaming and listening to music contemplating the nature of reality. I loved it that I could potentiate and learn deep lessons, for me it's best used sparsely and I never vaped, as I feel that would make the cravings less and is less ritualistic, as rolling up a joint, there is a stupid pleasure in just having the "skill" to roll-up a joint, and I dunno ironically, most moderate conscious smokers I've meet are very successful in life, so I don't get at times the bad rep about cannabis. It even helped me with the injury I have. I really wanted to test NN-DMT and hash as a come down / potentiator for future trips, yet my body could not handle it I am still injured and I usually exercise a lot and take care of physical health, this also helped immensely to potentiate a trip. There is a huge difference when all the cells in your body are in growth mode, so to speak after doing strenght exercises and taking a break from cannabis for months/years and then doing it. Similar to mediation retreats, strength exercises potentiate the depths, as I can break through the "pains&agitations" of the body. I am not very fluent in doing a lot of DMT, I have an odd brain I notice it's highly visual at times there is no point in describing what I see, so I am a bit vary about NN-DMT, I consistently remember dreams and draw inferences from them, yet seldom people talk about them etc. Others don't seem to have or leverage that kind of spiritual dimension or even ridicule it. Analyze it to death, and reduce everything to the matter they should actually break through. Some have a larger intuitions about this some don't. This is what I'd say. I am suprised how it affects Leo and that he says it's a stronger psychdelic for him, I've meet many smokers and some are just different, and I love to dovetail theories, sometimes I even leverage the space high for others, and that is why some of my friends even prefered me high, as they had more access to that dimension themselves. Masters/Gurus also at times report doing it and going to spiritual dimensions, if you can do it all natural you'd legit be a "freak of nature", which I would not deny is possible, yet I know from experience using cannabis as a crutch and using it pro-actively is a huge difference. Sorry, in case my message came across in an unemphatic manner, I'd wanted to say that most of the friends I've meet felt uncomfortable, as they were not used to this spiritual "hidden" dimension and their survival cravings and how this is played on on a "trip".

Hey thanks for the kind feedback! I've did a course from Beena Sharma as she is part of an organisation I know that teaches the developmental models to companies and I thought that I eventually would love to get into similar style of counseling after some time working within the field of my life purpose, as I find these models highly relevant enjoyable to work with. Although integrating the lessons from this course in real life is not so easy, as most don't react appropriately when thinking in pairs, and often it has to be coupled with deep understanding in skill centric areas of development (at least I feel in Europe) otherwise. I don't know for me just listing people who have coach certificates in this area smells like bias and self-serving bias to me and I don't know how the research was conducted for this sort of developmental map, as well as it's a language based assesment as far as I can recall from Susan-Cook-Greuter. I appreciate the list, I don't even doubt the development of these people, I am just a unsure what ego development entails, as as far as I can recall from Wilber courses it's similar to cognitive development and taking perspectives. For example at stage 4.5,5 (O'fallon) you become aware of all other stages, which is highly cognitive experience in itself. While others are not aware of context, achievment drives, multiculturalism, systems thinking, holism in everyday experiences, ethnocentric attitudes, without combating them. Stages 4.5 and 5 are the first stages that don't create this culture war. My intention was not to argue, yet in terms of writing and assuming I have no prio knowledge I felt kind of offended, I love to discuss these topics I might be a bit over-enthusiastic as I really like clarity and I can be critical without having full insight into the problem, yet I am highly context aware lol. What you've shared is already plenty! Thanks for that feel free to share more! I am pretty sure with all the work and courses I've done without more reading and research, I will not change some opinions, I am pretty convinced that Shinzen with all the type of training they recommend is far beyond, I can't tell for Ralston as I am unsure how far he deeply studied reality in terms of perspectival type of understanding. My understanding of ego development might be wrong, yet it's the capacity to hold in awareness the perspective of the ego and then other stakeholders, as far as I can tell in the papers they share the view of holding 1,2,3 person of awareness till n'th person. Best example I can give for Unitive+ stages of experiences is psychdelics where you feel and see the perspective of so many other beigns as well as on high meditative peaks. I did this course from Beena Sharma. https://integrallife.com/integrating-polarities-training/ Did this training from Ken Wilber: https://integrallife.com/full-spectrum-mindfulness-web-course/ Listend to loads of audiobooks to this topic. Feel free to correct my potential misunderstanding about ego development, structure-stages & taking on the perspective of self & other. As I might have conflated the stuff to much.

I did a couple of wilber/integral courses and the recommended practices, yes that is a fine distinction! I don't want to make the effort of listing them, all as I'd get lost in the meticulousness of it. Between the spiritual line and the ego development line, as I most likely conflated the two in some manner, I am unsure that to what that fully means as especially in the case about, yet I know that in that sense and with integral lingo. Structure-stages are different from states, and also ... state-statges. Hence, the conflation I see the term of taking these perspectives and advancing in structure-stages which also means cognitive development, especially taking on the perspectives of these state experiences permanently as a structure-stage. Also personally, you'd have to be blind to not see Ralston at higher stages, I've meet plently of ph.d's and others who have credentials, contemplating these maps for years now very young and seeing real masters, and juxtaposing them is amazing. Ralston is beyond Wilber I'd say and even the local zen master I've meet in Europe, is beyond most of the people on the list, as most PHD's and masters are stuck in their theory and models and selling these models. While still having stage turqousie and yellow cognitive development, only because one has not mastered the lingo of these maps, it does not mean they could not be beyond is. I highly doubt that Roger Walsh has a higher development than Shinzen Young on the structure-stages perspective not in a billion years, not even considering spiral dynamics and the amount of work and life story of Shinzen. Even Ken Wilber I mean like the amount of practice and development the guy went through lol. People like Shinzen Young, Sadghuru, Peter Ralston, Daniel Ingram (he'd readily admitt if he's not also ironically), are way beyond besides I am conflating structure-stages with just structure states, which is a distinction Ken Wilber draws. I stopped studying the maps mostly, as there are not many people to talk about these subjects, although they are highly relevant like spiral dynamics. Wilber also stated in one taste. I believe that he is somehwere around the ultraviolet/violet meta-mind etc. https://www.facebook.com/stagesinternational/videos/the-difficult-transition-into-construct-aware/1274706409341047/ Also this rings so true for me it's incredible. Just watching this from one of the links, in my mind justifies the list with the level of development and all of these academics with huge 3/4 - 4 cravings and still seeing that pull, that is gone from most of these masters in an artsy way beyond any of these on the list. Anyway this is my perspective to all of this lol. I mean where did they learn this from? My intention is not to discredit, yet I doubt the list above from you is correct, and I doubt any scientific model will fully grasp and model the nature of reality. It comes from pioneers anyway who make that leap. Leo is as far as I understand making claims of having gone beyond these. Still I doubt that for example also, yet not the structure-state experience of having gone beyond. Feel free to correct me in case the distinction between ego-development and spiritual development is not conflateable with the terms from integral theory, structure-stages and structure states, as far as I can recall. I dunno I did the course at integral life and ironically I am in softeware development/engineering which he sees as a hallmark of stage yellow/turqouise thinking etc. In contrast to just plain programming also. I dunno I am on your side as far as I can tell on doing the practices, my intention is to clarify and bring in another perspective. Anyway I've seen plenty of stuff here to tell the list above is incorrect 100%, and yes I take things personally no reason to gaslight. Thanks for providing the list, my intention was not to seem rude, yet I can tell your interpretation is also not correct and yes I took that personally .

Sounds like heavy stage orange overall, I would like to go in-depth, yet this is not something I ever looked at and I am not a psychologist, I've been now with one who was spiritualy very aware, yet stuck in methodologies. I've listend to a blinkist of a quite conscious psychologist from the u.s (women) and she explained how venting does not help, for some reason. As well as repells people she explained that quite democratically, without any rage and or violence. It perpetuates pain, I can reflect now upon this and this as far as I know the slowest type of therapy for any integration. (Talk thearapy/Depth analysis if the term is correct) It's crazy she gaslit you, I would look for more wholesome beigns and not NPC's and robots. Even with flaws etc. No one is perfect.

It's pretty much the same. Besides the main differantiation is ego development and spiral dynamics focuses on values. In my eyes. I've read the paper and studied it a bit not in great depth, it's practically for me how others relate to themselves and it's as far as Wilber explains a taking of perspective. IIRC the unitive stage let's say is 11+ cognitively and can hold into awareness 11 peoples point of view etc. Then the whole thing down & up. Most sages/wise beigns are beyond the unitive like: Sadghuru Peter Ralston Shinzen Young Mingyur Ringpoche Ken Wilber Daniel Ingram Guru Viking Deepak Chopra (I'd say he's beyond this) Eventually even Sam Harris (Other more unkown teachers etc.) I'd recommend reading the religion of tomorrow for a deeper view on stages, as far as I know unitive is either the stage of ego development conflated with still beign in ego, yet stages beyond ego. I dunno I find it hard to give concrete examples. Strategist Stage = Yellow -> I liked Eban Pagan when I did the online-dating course from him, my last professor was high in yellow and I find people interested in geo science have high strategies level qualties, Boulder Colerado, Switzerland possibly, highly ethical scientists I've meet have these qualties. Construct Aware Turqouise -> Possibly educated and/or integral infromed, also at times random people who practice a lot of meditation&yoga, yet are still bound of ego, meaning creation aware, usage of highly complex language. It's the need to complexity at strategist levels etc. It's rare I am not very active in spiritual communities, I found myself in the dynamics of beign construct aware very often, and presented the paper to a psychologist, she could not make intutive sense out of this and forced a rule/role mind and this expert type of thinking. Aware of story-telling and meaning creation, not only context of a language etc. It's rare to meet such individuals although there are some and cognitive capacity of it should be available after a university degree. As far as I can understand you can be a construct-aware stage red nazi, that is how "bonkers" integral theory can get imo. Like I said I did not study it deeply I watched the videos and studied it to various levels of depth at times, as I just find myself in the spectrum. The wikipedia page also might help to dispell disambiguation. Leo's video is also pretty good. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loevinger's_stages_of_ego_development https://integrallife.com/introduction-ego-development/ https://integrallife.com/stages-leadership-maturity/ Can't give more direct sources besides the papers which I can. I bet even on this forum there are people who transcend this model already, not many a handful just to give some perspective! As far as I know the research is stuck as there are such few examples, it would be not be very significant to conduct studies on such a small number of people even for unitive/strategist it's hard to find humans/beigns/people for this, it's practically the "conscious elite" of society etc. Depending on how'd you few it integral would also include the emotional line ( total mystery to me) and moral line to fully include an itnegral development etc.

I never fully understood this aspect, I am odd in that I take the enjoyment of not giving her the priviledge to engage in this princess type of thinking at times, so I never attracted that type of women so far, even after doing some game with experienced guys. It takes an extrem amount of abundance as well as either an extrem amount of development to realize that. All of these survival mechanism etc. Also at times it's similar to a spiritual experience seeing the beauty of a girl that is just breathtaking etc. Ever since I've been injured and I did not date "fully built" I notice how difficult it is to feel the loose of beauty and it's attachment I cried legit yesterday doing some baby workout at how weak I feel internally. When I read online articles and books about body language and girls legit cringing as well as writting me online "omfg you are so handsome", even guys. EVEN GAY GUYS LIKE WTF/TRANS does not matter. I grew up pretty narccistically as a guy having my looks beign validated by the women around me (friends of my mother), and there are so many odd dynamics there are also so many other factors at play, when I contemplate how feminity just causes "small t trauma" in some women as it's been opressed. I just think it's an odd dynamic of our times, like if it's a protective aspect of a guy feeling a bit protective of "his/her positively owned... women", then sure the attachment to beauty is just an attachement? It's a process then to let go. As feminity has been repressed and I get a lot of subconscious blame at times. I hope the new psycholgoist who is deeper in that sort of material can help me with that. At best you can appreciate each other as goddess and god without the crazy push&pull dynamic. Without going into the metaphysics of love, comaradery ironically gives the deepst form of bond, from what I've read so far. To me this is mostly delusion and manipulation, as well as "maya" better enjoy the play as long as it's there. At times even when I could do and did parts of the more developed courses about relationships. I wished there was a higher level of awareness of that, yet it's mostly the "craft of the man" to bring that sort of stability to the table, at least that is the kind of looks and expectations I get, when interacting with the opposite sex. Obviously there is beauty within the women/feminine aspect without the objectivity that is hard to deny! As far as I can recall beauty = holism = healing, I notice how healing "real beauty" can feel healing, it certainly has a strong desire component for me, when I dated women and even attracted women, where most guys play a discriminatory dynamic that is close to racism legit, and I've also seen that like it's partially disgusting and get's very primitive. The books on Leo' list on dealing with people, explains a lot of this apeish type behaviour and yeah, I don't think very advanced brain parts are beign activated in male and or females during this exchange. Although it can feel like a stage purple type opening for mystecism and spiritual awareness so to speak, for me it's mostly a passion -> lust -> love dynamic that plays itself out when I consider both inner and outer beauty. Physical apperances are ridiculous, beauty is also pain at times. Anyway. Here I go! Beautiful apperance to me is mostly either desire and/or real beauty, seldom it's healing nowadays, and the feminism dynamic I see at times is as regressive as Andrew Tate I find, I dunno for me this still legit is the dark bonobo ages.

Twisted forms of love .

@The Mystical Man Shinzen Young knew a person called... Nicola Geiger, which apparently (she was american german hope name is written correctly) had connections to Hitler, IIRC I don't know if this was from a retreat etc. Hitler pushed her down the stairs and he was a real "a*hole". Apparently he spoke from no-self also basically going fully tenma (demonic/evil) also this guy was the ultimate drug lord. He took so much meth etc. Cocaine etc. The German population I don't know when, yet women received "Pralinen" (box of chocolates) filled with some meth stuff, there is an author who wrote about this. I have this info from Joe Rogan show and Shinzen so, yeah Hitler was a total whacko and drug addicted he received like 50 shots of meth/cocain at the end of his life apparently from his doctor. This is not "scientific valid" info, yet from an author who wrote about this. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29429893-blitzed I don't know in school we had rumours about Hitlers brain beign lost, I think even when I can listen to this and be inspired by it, he is a total whacko, a funny one, yet I do despise this guy. It's amazing how he could delude millions of people with such stupidity, and he legit apparently spoke from no-self. As Nicola Geiger ( don't know if it's the correct name) moved to Japan and introduced Shinzen to some higher ranked monks and called him Stephan. Shinzen is also jewish, so yeah. I dunno history is kinda f*ed. When I listen to it nowadays, you have to be a jobless looser to follow that guy, this guy is so pathetic imo, reminds me just of my own inner weasel. Goes full vegeterian and kills millions of peoples and wants to save the animals I don't know how you can concot so many hallucinatory fantasies. Sometimes he just reminds me of stage green in spiral dynamics lol. All Hitler wanted is love I find this guy partially hilarous. Yet, to much dark humour can be toxic.

Any thoughts I was wondering if I can find the name of this picture "'Theatre D'Opera Spatial'" it only won 300 dollar what are the reasons you think? Higher quality version on the link below! https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/02/technology/ai-artificial-intelligence-artists.html I love uplifting dysotopian themes and inversion implied drawings of dimension beyond 4D (anything with space) so to speak, I am an art noob. The article is realted. I would personally buy the picture, why do you think humans are consistently afraid of new-emerging technology? Art is beautiful I was blown when I saw the picture. How do you personally relate to A.I art? What are your thoughts about art in general as a purpose in society? What would you contemplate about, when you see this picture?

https://www.thekindstoreonline.co.uk/blogs/blog/a-guide-to-tongue-scraping#:~:text=Copper is naturally anti-microbial,materials for a tongue scraper. These things are quiet nice. I have one, I don't use it regularly I presume after a while my taste is certainly refined after I've done some rounds/days of this scrapping, although I don't actively recall using it that often. It's also only done for a minute/30 seconds when I do it, unsure what is the proper guideline, yet this is quiet useful in terms of dealing with what ever flavour is on your tongue and makes the tongue taste and smell like a tongue again. Not an active kisser, till now had no complaints without using the thing, this was recommended from a dating course I did. I'd give it a ??in terms of using it regularly if you enjoy kissing/intimacy and health.

I do mostly: A mixture of these in daily settings Noting or mindfulness with labeling Do nothing Visualization & Expansion & Contraction in my daily mediations which has rinzai-zen influence.