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@kurt Yes Kurt! So it is, so it is indeed!

All these questions, can be brought back to your own sense of self. The beLIEf a person within that body exists. A person, in relationship to.... And because of this, all other things are labeled in a similar fashion. Have attributes etc. Which of course is not wrong to see it like this, all is a composite indeed, but the belief you are someone, means it gets projected in such a manner, that the attributes are as real as you think you are really an existing some kind of person that dwells or is stuck in the brain. How about this: Previous situations, has led to this situation, and this situation shall lead to other situations. Thus, everything is a result of our actions. So, to be very critical, investigate how you came to these questions. What where the previous situations, in relationship with the here and now, and learn deeply about its fundamental law of action and result. It will contemplate, that if all things work in such a manner, action result, that there is no place for an I, because everything is melting, constant changing. Its a lot of work, but its worth it.

@Martin123 Thanks for the recommendation. I appreciate it!

@Martin123 No I did not, can you quote it?

Few cross and reach the other side; others swim helplessly from side to side near this shore

This is absolutely crucial@Jan Odvarko ! The psyche becomes strong by contemplating it by meditation, it reveals where we spend time and focus on and where not, what is useful to focus on and what not. Wise and intelligent people often think of their own deaths. (All things are temporary in nature).

LEO is a (@$*&!!) (as shown in that video, but in a positive way!), and maybe he thinks the same about me, I am sure he learns from me as well as I learn from him. However, it has a function, he is not a hating person and sure I gave points back, and he can take that and I can only think of the fact he appreciates that I do dare challenge his ideas as much as he does challenge mine. I don't see anything wrong about that, that should change. The readers can read it, and agree or disagree, and I find that useful for readers. I don't see either that one or the other feels crippled about it. I appreciate what Leo is doing, not a doubt in my mind, I disagree on points, like he does, we present arguments and move on. Sometimes even from an intent for readers I give longer posts. (Intent from both he and me). Please just let me speak for myself. I do not see anyone here as low consciousness underlings. Actually I challenge you, the same way I challenge myself to get my understanding about the laws deeper and more profound. I WANT, people to challenge what I have to share here, I WANT them to push back and critically expose my work, for that is what my true purpose is. Its because I do love you very much! I am not here, to convince you of a flat earth, but I am trying to challenge the fact, that what if its flat? How much will it take to get you to believe that? But the point is, that you rethink, and I do my utmost to truly make that happen. If all people would run to me and say: I love what you do!! Then surely, I am doing something wrong. Anyway, try not to put it on me, but on the subject. What are your arguments that it must be a ball? (if you find my teachings so wrong, don't just tell, give a clear explanation why and what is wrong, in this way something useful comes out for yourself and others as well. It has no use to try find other like minded people, trying to make fun out of me, while its the teaching or subject shared that it is about. You miss otherwise the point).

It has to do with challenging your beLIEf system, which has everything to do with Meditation, consciousness, enlightenment and spirituality.

@DoubleYou Yes I have been on a plane, its as flat as it can be. As well have I investigated (I live near the sea) the curvature example given in the video. And I can't deny the evidence. Answering the question what the reason is for deceiving is not the point, however challenging and not taking everything for granted, that has been taught on schools, is a crucial part of your own development. ... Its about us, that quickly beLIEf something, because we are trusting in nature. But if one is to develop, it is crucial not only to research religion, but also scientific theories you have been taught or ought to belief. Not just religion. Come on people LISTEN to that Neil, and his pear shaped earth, my goodness, if not blindly following a religion, one will blindly follow science. I say, its the middle path we should take, think for ourselves, and clearly challenge what we have learned so far and move on.

ITs absolutely true that after you read those threads, in the end one must drop them as well, I would never deny that. If one reaches the other side, crossed with a boat, you don't take that very boat on your back, you leave it behind. I have never said, that I know all the answers, understanding reality by the laws of action and result, does not mean I can give you all answers. But it can help you, by explanation, and researching it, come to your own answers on your questions. However, no one is forcing you to read it, yet you participate in it, that is however your own choice.

@Joel3102 Everything. If the earth is truly flat, and everyone just beLIEved that it was a sphere, everything about spirituality, the masters and their teachings, everything starts to make more sense. The Ball earth (and now they are getting to a pear shaped earth), is a great contradiction of what old wise masters have been explaining. "If they did not have it even right about our own place we live on, why should I build trust towards their teachings". People will after discovering the truth about it, think differently about what has been told, after all, unlearning what has been learned has everything to do with spirituality and enlightenment.

See also the light spot on it. How on EARTH, can there be a light spot reflected by the water in that sense?

You think its a ball? Now, quickly, after this video from a scientist, we might belief its a pear shaped earth: @AxelK

@Ape Well, sure, well how about this one then? Seek the differences.

@Spiral A flat earth does not need gravity. Its just difference in mass, action > result. @Ozzy Explain, please come with decent arguments, why it must be and can only be a ball.

@AxelK Would you be so kind to come with some decent arguments why it must be a ball?

I am afraid that this is besides the point, (skewing my position).

Please, you are not the only one that uses such debunking techniques to disprove things, lets see how good others did that: (WARNING, this might disrupt belief systems you have, and cause havoc, please don't take it out on anyone). How about this one? What do you guys think: I have actually tested this, with making panorama's on a clear day on a high point (I live close to the sea, and it did shake my belief system for real!)

Tell me, what is needed for you, to be convinced? For anyone here actually, when are you actually convinced, beside the fact of the video is real or not. The reason I ask this, is, think about it... How much did it take for you to believe that we went to the moon? That evolution theory is a fact? That gravity is real, and that our earth is a sphere spinning in a vacuum at approximately an 1000 Kmh, with all the oceans and everything on it? Was it not more then videos? A textbook maybe, someone with a title in front of his name telling you that it must be so (even when he himself never experienced it? What did it take to let you belief that we landed on the moon? Surely I saw a movie about Kingkong, and I must surely believe that he too is on a far distant island somewhere? Ball earth, sure, what did it take to get you convinced? Pictures that also can be photoshopped? Surely I will show you some pic if necessary that will blow your mind, that just are found on the website of NASA, that truly show to be photoshopped. Again, how much does it take to convince someone... Thats the question. Surely you didn't mean that, with being critical and being openminded.

I prefer meditation in silence. However if you must break through this thick layer, than among sounds, choose OM. The following video does a great job getting the enlightened stage as close as possible (The middle path). Share your experiences@WaveInTheOcean below.

@Schuchti11 One never becomes skilled in any psychic power, without getting rid of the defilements of the mind.

If by any means someone finds it confusing, about the diamond part... X is not X, there for X. If we pick direction for example. It does not exist. We shape it, and believe it to be real, and that is the problem. Imagine 2 space crafts somewhere in space. One of these has the technology to see the other, and the other cannot see the other. And the one who has the technology has left a message. Travel north and ya shall reach me. Do you think he will ever find the other space craft?

@WaveInTheOcean YES! I refer it to as: Desire+attachment=craving. Actually, When one is whole again, pure desire, is more like ecstasy.

Good! But don't forget your goal, if you see one sort of meditation does not work out to be truly getting you there, and tried hard enough, move on, be very clear about that.

@WaveInTheOcean I will work harder, to be more clear, but its difficult. I hope you can understand that.