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I am not against science. Science in itself isn't wrong. However, if there is no curvature, all the things explained about ball earth, is in danger if you ask me. I am but a simple man though. However, even though it might be flat after all, then many come up with whole models of a flat earth... And that I do not buy either. Its the danger of either this or that package I really am interested in to debunk. Even if it is a ball, and then you get everything of the ball must be believed... Which I find in both cases dangerous.

@abrakamowse Another thing, that video did not see any noticeable movement of earth.

@WaveInTheOcean Nah, I am not yet convinced in either real package of belief. Although I fairly belief that NASA did not tell the truth, I don't actually mean to say I belief everything a flat earther will tell is true. Someone said: What if NASA is just wrong, the earth might be a ball, but they lied about the size of it all and its speed. I did find this one a very good one. So in sense that it would be much bigger as that we have been taught.

@WaveInTheOcean Yes but isn't that the wobble of the lens? Because I saw that a few times as well.

Pear-shaped model is supported by this "scientist"@abrakamowse :

Well its more the point that we constantly belief something so quickly. Even when it is actually flat. Then there will be another model of the flat earth that might be false, and we belief everything about that. Can you see my point?

He is awakened to the vision of Dharma, that is pure, and pervasive. This achievement can't be undone by any other living being. One day, many will benefit from him.

Readers! I am going to clarify a hidden game of belief! When dropped will lead to great spiritual advancement! Readers! When reading the whole sequence, one is purifying ones mind! What is the Belief game, a game of Fantasy? Its a game where one falsely believes one has a free will. And by this freewill one thinks one can can do anything in life, can have ones own opinions, know things, gain things, become better in things, can live a life one finds suitable and choose ones own destiny. But why they remain searching on and on being as a result dissatisfied? There is the belief that one can believe in something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief that one cannot believe in something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief that one can become something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief one cannot become something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief one can refrain from something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief one cannot refrain from something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief one can become whole again, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief one cannot become whole again, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief that others believe in something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief that others cannot believe in something, while this in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief that others can become something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief that others cannot become something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief that others can refrain from something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief that others cannot refrain from something, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief that others can become whole again, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. There is the belief that others cannot become whole again, while this is in truth not possible. As a result they remain searching and remain dissatisfied. So why they remain searching on and on being as a result dissatisfied? Because they are in self-denial! Thinking they can live up to other people's ideas, while they themselves fail to adapt to their own needs. Their activities must distract one from critically looking at oneself. And their results and compliments they receive from others must protect ones sense of self from critical questions from others and oneself al in the name: I did everything for you, don't you dare questioning me! That is why they remain searching on and on being as a result dissatisfied. Illusion: Self-denail knows no center! Its a result of not living up to ones true needs. Shopping this idea and that idea from society when it comes to the proper life always leaves one believing one has a free will, and this belief always results in Self-denail. What to do? Refrain from the people that expect you to live up to their false ideas. Refrain from wrong friends that worry about the world, expect you to live up to their traditions, that are happy if you drink, smoke, do drugs, worry about their worries and worry about the world, and are unhappy if you do not drink, smoke, do drugs, worry about their worries and worry about the world. Refrained from them refrain from duty, and be in silence, meditation- being alone, secluded from the masses. Let this become your duty. Result: Due to refraining one realizes being whole, becomes stable and firm, life force is attained, becomes happy and joyful, becomes restful inside, can concentrate on your true needs, and as a result becomes truthful to oneself and becomes open to others. Correction: One thought that one could run and hide from ones self by living another beings life propagated by society, while one could not escape being a dissatisfied seeker as a result. While refrained from those who expect unwholesome deeds from you, being alone one becomes clear about not being able to escape from ones self as a result. One builds upon this realization and directly knows: I can't escape myself, for I am not separated from myself. As a result one is open minded. Due to seclusion from wrong people and society one becomes a self-reflector, this makes one stable and firm. This leads to attaining life force and makes one joyful and happy one find himself back again... This makes one calm, peaceful inside, and one can finally live up to ones true needs, being open and truthful. Readers! Until you dropped wrong friends and imprints of society: Game On!

@abrakamowse I have already opened a topic some time ago in philosophy. I am not going to continue here about it. As a closer: I am not buying what NASA shares. But I do not buy either that which must therefor be true. (All the flat earth models must therefor be true). Its so sensitive this subject, people never asked me what I truly belief. It directly is one or the other as a complete belief package, which I refuse to accept either way.

Who am I to judge not?

@brovakhiin Its a big big thing indeed. It raises much questions. However, I just realized that many just find it ridiculous to even question rather the earth is a ball or not. I find that science is in the hands of everyone. And I expect not that everyone must really explain everything. However an open minded mind, that really asks rather its a ball or not, is valid, even seeming to be ancient when it comes to flat or not. And should not be debunked by simply "There is so much proof". While they have not done their investigation themselves. All it took is a school book and some people with a name. So yes, I promote this topic here. So that people indeed are challenged by their views, and may indeed start to use science themselves instead of letting others doing it for them, and then saying: See, its real or not real, because I say so. Its not about: Well why would NASA lie (if no reason can be posted here, then its a ball). That is sophism... Its not the point. The point is to challenge, to start seeing that it might not be so, and might be different, and why not testing it ourselves? Become adventurous once more, not letting others telling how it is and how it is not. That is what I promote here. Think for yourself. Investigate for yourself. And if one really is just speaking from their imprints, then one should directly contemplate: Why am I doing that? Did I see ever the earth from the perspectives I have been showed? Start questioning. Start to practice science yourself. Be critical, and openminded to others who dare challenge such things as a ball or flat earth. However it doesn't mean it MUST be flat after all. Or it must be as shown as a ball like NASA has been showing. Whatever it is, just seek further, pushing the envelope.

@SaynotoKlaus Its something I really have been through as well. And the dealing with it, is always the opposite from the desired result. And the goal of meditation that one set, just stimulates the whole thing willing to get a certain result, stimulates the thinking I must deal with it, and as a result, you really identify with both the goal that must be reached, as well as the search for such emotions, and the must to deal with it as a separated entity that is going to deal with it. I solved this whole problem by releasing tensions in both body and mind, without dealing with anything else then just relaxing by giving it away with breath. First I did everything to do solve it, and when tired enough, I started working on releasing tension, teaching, shaping my mind to an understanding that what ever I do is entangling with it. I also became much more varied with meditation. The wild horse my mind was with the emotions of heat and short bursts etc was not to be tamed by the wrong knowledge of domination. I therefor choose to learn during the day to respond differently to my own actions. I started to go to woods, not to meditate, but to just be alone. Walk, breathing calmly and releasing tensions. So I made it an all round flexible approach to learn to calmly respond within myself to get it calm. The result now is. I can without tension meditate, just observing breath, the middle path. But I can as well, if a thought goes on and on, be so intense, without being intense, that the thought will just be crushed by the happiness, the bliss. Make it an all round discipline to work very flexible on this problem. But my greatest fear related to what you describe at that time, was my great fear of loneliness. And that I worked on, step by step, calmly, nature, being alone, becoming a child again.

@WaveInTheOcean This is however your true nature. My mind nor your mind differs from that of a buddha (and many others that lived and worked hard). However he is better, more wise then others, so smart, so loving, so sublime, so good, so advanced, and no one can teach him because he lived up to it, by leaving his possessions, became mindful, developed the 8 folded path and came to greatest understanding, while other versions did not live up to it, and as a result of this, this points exactly out his being better, more wise, more smart, more loving, more sublime, more good and more advanced, and therefor it would not be suitable to try teach him when one is himself entangled, attached, there for less wise, less good, less smart, less loving, less sublime and less advanced. And should instead be wise and learn, respect this being, and take the information needed and start practicing. And now you are honest. YOU SEE YOURSELF BY THINKING YOU SEE ME! You never saw me who you think you are pointing this at! And this is what those caveman has understood and overcome by secluding from the sense indulgences. But instead of respecting them, or any other person for that matter working hard on it, you remain coming with ramblings, not coming with a more sublime teaching, or demonstrating a better understanding or a better discipline you follow, or dharma that came out of such practices. Which proves by result that you do are very attached to your ramblings and your own thinking to know it better. And in such a case, surely if I do live up to it, and those others who read this, do live up to a sublime good discipline, they are absolutely better in every way in comparison with yourself. Because these beings have dropped their fears of being afraid. Do no longer entangle in becoming this or that. But you in stead fail to understand, even when reading this post, that its another version speaking to you, that did drop his possessions, did leave the sense indulgences and practices Dharma and the 8 folded path, and came to knowledge, understanding. And therefor I indeed claim to be better then you in every way possible demonstrated by what I have been teaching here in comparison with your ramblings. And this includes that all others who practice hard, that you call cavemen, also live up to a right discipline are better then you, in every way possible. And this includes all that read this, and understand this, are stimulated to practice, see that this post is not coming from hatred, is better then you in every way possible. If you can see through this, then you have overcome yourself being seeing that the real you, is better then little you, in every way possible. Therefor I share once more truth: One can defeat an army of 1000 men, but one who has conquered himself is far greater. If you remain in this thread by any means, share an article with a full way to enlightenment, a full categorized way of understanding that people can relate to that came from your understanding that is a result of your own discipline, in recognition, that is far more sublime then what I have been sharing here in this forum over and over again. If this is not possible, because you do not live up to it, cannot think of the right examples because of lack of understanding, then I say: Refrain from your unwholesome speech in stead, respect those who do live up to it, take notes, take that which you need, and move on! And take my advice, take year off, go for a retreat yourself, live very simple with good hearted people that practice hard and share their teachings as well as an act of compassion, and come back here again.

@WaveInTheOcean Just print out your post, and read up that post in front of a mirror. You clearly keep missing that point. Again, and again. That you are not talking to someone else. You are talking to another VERSION of yourself. You think you talk to me as someone else, justifying a person that then speaks and may defend accordingly. Just print out your post, and read up that post in front of a mirror. You clearly keep missing that point. Again, and again. That you are not talking to someone else. You are talking to another VERSION of yourself. You think you talk to me as someone else, justifying a person that then speaks and may defend accordingly. If you did not drop your attachments, are therefor as a result defending yourself unknowingly, forgetting that you are speaking to another version of yourself due to it, have nothing to say about what I teach sharing that which actually is of a higher knowledge and why, but in stead just keep on projecting your own deluded views pretending that it are my wrong views, while I did drop my attachments and are therefor not as a result defending myself unknowingly, forgetting that you are another version of me. Then surely I do am better, more sublime, more loving, and far more advanced then those who did not drop their attachments, are therefor as a result defending themselves unknowingly, forgetting that they are speaking to another version of themselves due to it, have nothing to say about what I teach, sharing that which actually is of a higher knowledge and why, but in stead just keep on projecting their own deluded views pretending that it are my wrong views, while these attachments are dropped by me, and I am therefor as a result not defending myself unknowingly, forgetting that they are another version of me. However if you truly think you do are better by saying that this man, this caveman that dropped at all is attached to his views, while you yourself did not drop your attachments, are therefor as a result defending yourself unknowingly, forgetting that you are speaking to another version of yourself due to it, have nothing to say about what I teach, sharing that which actually is of a higher knowledge and why, but in stead just keep on projecting your own deluded views pretending that it are my wrong views, while I did drop my attachments and are therefor not as a result defending myself uknownknogly, forgetting that you are another version of me, then sure I am better then you in every way, with every other caveman that also dropped his attachments with the world, the masses and their entertainments practicing the Dharma and the 8 folded path and sharing their insights as an act of compassion. Of course you didn't mean that with deluding yourself thinking you are better by saying they are deluded. Leave this thread and the people on this thread alone that are willing to listen and share, and put me on ignore, to prevent further results from your actions, that are unwholesome in nature, have nothing to do with actually practicing, has nothing to do with stimulating others to practice, but have only to do with starting debates, trying to gain intellectually while your actual practice is out of the question. I thank you for your good contribution, which is far more important then the shape of the earth. If you remain in this thread, then come of your high horse, learn to respect my work and those who practice hard, and leave the damn ball earth be. If not, then move on, leave these cave people alone.

@WaveInTheOcean The mast vanishes due to optical illusion, the curvature isn't there. Zooming that far in removes the illusion should not make any difference if its a sphere, the ship should not be seen except for the mast. The optical illusion has to do with how we see in line with the vanishing point. And I verified this with some educated people, I have had my calculations right. I have so much more, as I have educated friends, and I have been down that road of debunking both sides with them. I am not going into it here. I share the information that I came to realize. If you have difficulty accepting it, thats fine. I strongly advice not to bombard after each time something awakens in you after I post. I mean common, that usually is the case with someone that actually is living a good discipline, secluded from sense indulgence and puts great effort in trying to explain what I came to realize. It always shakes and awakens things, exactly those things to let the attachment go of. Just reflect on it, smile and move on. Some things you will discover later. And yes, some are just better then others. Because they dropped their possessions and live secluded from the masses and are developing spiritually, loving every living being while others do not. I don't see you are there yet. And that is something to remember very well when willing to reflect upon an article that came from someone who does live up to it. Learn from them, don't bombard on the forum if you disagree. Reflect on it why not. Its your own perception that took a hit. I stand open for questions, but I must warn, the consequences of bombarding, are not good. Better to reflect, and if you really are stuck, ask. This way you improve quickly. Lets be honest, what has anyone to teach me? If I dropped everything, and are not living in sense indulgence, and are disciplined. Dropped my hatred, delusions and ill will. What must someone teach me? I can only say, I am my own teacher. That is why I stated: Please, don't bombard, reflect on it, and if difficulty, then ask. Also on this comment, don't bombard if not agreeing. Reflect on why you don't agree... But unless you are not as far developed spiritually, then why not learning properly from this being, instead of trying to teach this being a lesson. Keep this in mind. Reflect well on what I post here.

I will leave it in the middle for now. There is no use in discussing it further.

We have high dunes here, and did it on a clear day yes. With ships. So yes they disappear while the mast remains... And at first it just seemed all normal and thought, oh well see, they are gone. But its a mirage, an illusion, because I zoom in, and there is no curvature. Its just optical illusion. And this really struck me hard back then. Because that can't be the case I thought. Because if its a sphere, of course the curvature must be anywhere on the same distance of course. Its just not there. I really challenge you to test it for yourself. Yes you send beautiful pictures, but after you tested it for yourself, you just see that its not real. They are great these days with photoshop. That video you send, I know that one, but it does not hold up to the arguments and proof I have of course.

You have done no research, or did you? This is just the imprint speaking I recognize all to well (which was deep in me as well though). I was as baffled as many others when I truly did the investigation. I just could not deny the evidence I gathered. I just couldn't as a science student at the time. I live near the sea, and could easily by the calculation of the curvature check rather it is there or not with a decent camera. There is no curvature! No matter how far, there is no curvature to be found. Why would you not for the sake of proving for yourself that it is a ball after all, just go try to debunk ball earth, instead of defending it? Go out, and check for yourself! And I seriously mean that. Don't give me that nonsense that it is a ball, if there is no curvature to be found. And imagine you do find out that it is not a ball, yeah surely something snaps... At least that is what happened to me as a science student at the time. What I don't get is, that you don't just say to me: Oh, well I am going to check this out for myself. Do you have a video related to why it might be a ball? So that I get an idea of what I can look for so I can check for myself? A little open-mindedness? Aren't you curious? Just the whole idea that it might be not a ball and what might be behind this, and what does it bring? I certainly was curious at the time.

@Bebop Just take another approach. Be flexible, remain calm. Walking meditation for example in fresh air.

So can this all been seen differently? The answer is yes. Some have different terms to explain the same. To name an example: Krshna consciousness. Where Vishnu is essence. Here you get also what is called demigods and demons. Which is in this article referred to as: 2 Different opposing awarenesses. Why? Because one is in service, and the other is not believing in Essence, debunk it to be the ultimate for their altruism ends. Please understand that with this post is not meant: We should fight the opposing Awareness. Its just that is meant that one should leave them be, and start working on your own process of leaving society and its imprints that are coming and governed by the opposite Awareness. That are in other terms explained as demons. That which they for example refer to as krishna consciousness, is nothing more then seeing Essence in every living being. There is no hate for the demons either. However, for explaining reasons, I clearly want to motivate to seclude from unwholesome behavior, the deep imprints that are from society and its conformity that come from their power games. Its a valid game experience however. This whole article is pointed at the fact that there is Essence, and its all pervasive. However can be said that there are 2 Awarenesses, that are in other texts referred to as demigods and demons in a way that they both serve the supreme personality of godhead Krishna (or Vishnu). Which is in this article explained as: To experience through either self-realization or power games, this is however how Essence experiences oneself, which otherwise would not be the case as it is now. For as long one thinks upside down, one is in need to drop the deep imprints in order to become happy and blissful. IF one really is thinking: EGOISM, AWARE YOU ARE STUCK IN EGOISM... Well, I know for myself that my practice, my little possessions, my hard work during the day, and meditation and deep contemplations at night, also answering and working with different realities during night time, surely I can see that such a person should not try to break the mirror for the disgust that arose when one saw ones own reflection, but should rather change the source of the reflection. For those who read it, and do feel such a rush as written above, then be very clear: YES! That which arose in me now, is that which I should drop (the attachment), and one receives results accordingly. Projecting and bombarding here while I write such articles out of merci and compassion so that people can make more sense of it all, will only lead to results of suffering. So leave it be if not spiritual mature enough.

Sit still, and meditate?

How would you not know when its your true self who is talking or the ego masked as spiritual ego or the ego that "understand something" or some kind of ego disguised as true self?

Well... To me it resonated most with life force. Probably because its not polarized. I have tried many other colors already though. Well I use color, because most often a lot of rambling thoughts pass, and color visualization can be a clear object to concentrate on as a single thought. It is still thought, but distinct. However its just as stepping stone, now I don't visualize at all. Life force is the one object. I used gold just as the step up which resonated the most towards life force. Maybe you find out there is a better one, then let me know.

The private of the night is for meditation and in depth contemplation (4-6 hours). The day is for duty, working everything out here as an act of share. I have written over 300 pages in less then 2 weeks. Which is the duty part. Not to much not to little food and drinking. Always refrained from the worldly activities and entertainments that are not of benefit. Surely entanglement is out of the question. There is a great powerful presence here. Because there are "others" also practicing good together here. And live happy and are also not entangled in egoism. However one last advice: If you see egoism in me, you saw it in yourself. All masters you will come across when you ever decide to practice truthfully, you will feel that same deep ego coming up, which is the exact thing in yourself to let go of (the attachment to it). Its so direct one would immediately try to project it upon for example me. While honestly its you yourself waveintheocean. I wish you strength on this, because I would strongly advice to work on the ego you seem to have felt in me, and tried to debunk in your post as if I have it. IF you really are doing that, you will skyrocket! Try this for 6 weeks: 1 time each day eating, only in the morning. And drink not to much (in the beginning some smoothies, otherwise its to much at once). And every evening before sleeping meditation on life force. (visualizing gold and release of tension in body and mind, observing the breath, until the visualizing is no longer needed and life force becomes the object directly).