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  2. Posted

    1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

    I see these qualities in you only and not other teachers 

    You are extremely blind and your mind chose to target me because I do not resonate with you. I could get kicked out of this forum anytime and almost nobody would even know I existed. You could not say the same with all the other teachers, they have masses of influence, yet you are here targeting me about "clinging to this role". 

  3. Posted · Edited by puporing

    13 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

    I think you just want approval. And to be seen. Part of you thinks that unless you become special and great, people won't care about you. And you mentioned that you struggled with not having friends, people around you all your life. So it's a deep rooted desire to be recognized. And your mind used the first possible opportunity to become special at all cost. And of course what could be more special than being Jesus Christ the most awaken one. And there's clinging to that role because without it you fear you will go back to being nothing, perhaps invisible. 

     

    Nothing is preventing anyone from reaching where I am, I had no particular "guide" to give me pointers to this state like what's happening here. 

    You seem determined to try to shut me down rather than try to get there yourself.

    Nobody cares about me either way whether I am Christ or not Christ so that's pretty pointless of an argument.

    Also you could say that line of argument to any spiritual teacher on this planet. The reason you're saying it to me is because you feel like you can get away with it behind a screen and lack of any protection of me on this forum.

    "Clinging to this role" again you could say that to any spiritual teacher why are you targeting me always?

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    8 hours ago, Thought Art said:

     

    @puporing I was reading Ken Wilbur’s book “Finding Radical Wholeness”. He says sometimes people at the ethnocentric (identifying with a particular subgroup, ie Christianity)  egocentric (I, Me, My) and and mythic literal (taking accounts or ideas around figures like Christ literally) 

    Depending on our level of growing up, how we interpret awakenings and spiritual experiences differs. Your level of waking up and growing up equates spiritual intelligence. 
     

    He said, it’s common for people at these stages of cognitive and ego development to after some deep awakenings think they are Jesus Christ. I only say this because I thought it was an interesting point. As soon as I read this in the book I thought of you. 
     

    Awakening and heaven is not something owned by a particular person (Christ) myth (Christ as Son of God and only prophet) and group (Christians).

    Awakening, truth, God, Unity, Love, Oneness are universal aspects of all humans. Awakening doesn’t belong to any particular subgroup or magical individual. 
     

    I also wonder if your relationship with Christ is related to you still be at the magical stage of development. I don’t have the integral meta theory model in front of me right now, but believing some supernatural being has powers is part of this lower level of cognitive development. Lower doesn’t mean worse, just means less whole.

     

    Neither Ken Wilber nor you are close to my level of consciousness so of course it's easy to just dismiss me like most people do. This is extremely common to dismiss Christ consciousness even followers and teachers of Christ will do it they have no ability to recognize him if he returned. Even while Jesus was here only John the Baptist seemed to recognize him maybe a few others but it sounded like his followers didn't fully understand/recognize him. It really is quite far away from people in this world and so there will be hardly anyone here who can recognize it as it being a "real state". You have to already have reached a lot of Light in yourself to recognize it.

    I have never claimed that I own this level of consciousness, the reason I am even sharing about it is in the hopes that more people could reach it. But Christ teachings fills a lot of gaps that other teachers are not currently able to fill hence it's still of importance to refer to his teachings.

  6. Posted

    6 hours ago, aurum said:

    Okay. And you also claim that:

    1) This level of consciousness is the highest that can be reached

    2) This level of consciousness is permanent once achieved

    3) No one else presently has achieved this level of consciousness

    4) This was the level of consciousness that the historical Jesus inhabited

    5) You also have achieved this level of consciousness

    6) We can only access this level of consciousness if we follow your or Jesus’s teachings

    Is that all correct?

    1) While having a body yes. There will be some limitations just because I still have a body as well, because you cannot literally become the whole thing/remain in the highest states while here it's bigger than the "universe". But other than that yes you can experience what it'll be like after you leave the body. 

    2) Basically, unless you didn't get there all the way and have some sort of ego backlash.

    3) There's another being I have no contact with currently referenced in my signature, so I cannot confirm how he managed to reach here.

    4-6) Correct.

  7. Posted · Edited by puporing

    34 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

    Yeah, your heart is the heart of the infinity and is the heaven because it's that we could call infinite love. The totality that is. A lot of people reached that realization, that is traditional enlightenment, nothing so rare. You just have to open yourself, remove the barriers. 

    Not so fast, there are not "a lot of people" who have reached it. You don't like me saying it but none of you guys have. And dismissing me like that is one quick way to not reach it in your lifetime.

  8. Posted

    4 hours ago, Thought Art said:

    @puporing would you say your mythic literalism and egocentrism is a filter/ framework for you awakening?

    I'm not quite understanding what that is referring to, could you elaborate on what you mean by "mythic liberalism"? And "egocentrism" that is the opposite of what I'm trying to say, I'm trying to tell you to dissolve your ego in order to reach where I am. But people can misperceive it as ego at first because of being in a teaching position and having to debate with people. 

    1 hour ago, aurum said:

    What is the Kingdom?

    It's another level of consciousness you can reach. The Kingdom of heaven is you. 

  9. Posted · Edited by puporing

    1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

    Jesus Christ was just a being, the reality manifested, same than anything else. Why he's so special for you? Instead of emphasizing the fact of being enlightened, or being this or that, I think it is better to express your vision of reality, what you are beyond labels, and perhaps it will resonate with someone or many.

    He ended up being my teacher and because I understood all his teachings in the end.

    And well.. I would've had no idea about my original Self if it wasn't for his assistance to get me here essentially. Like.. I am still baffled sometimes about it. 

    This isn't to totally discount other teachers I had before him though it may seem that way just because of the nature of this place.

  10. Posted · Edited by puporing

    2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    The last thing I would want is for any human to worship me. I'd rather not be remembered at all then.

    If any of you worship me, you have learned nothing.

    I don't think that was Jesus' intentions though which is clearly stated in his newest teachings about idolatry, in fact almost no teachers even talk about idolatry in a serious manner like he had. And that is not the intention of me invoking the name either. This is a side effect of what he left behind and not something he could control nor can you. Even if you deny it your "followers" do look up to you otherwise they wouldn't be following you. This isn't something you can escape if you're a spiritual teacher especially at the higher levels. Simply by claiming to have a connection with God on an ongoing basis will attract this.

    2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    A billion creatures have died.

    I don't regard the life of Jesus as any more important than a baboon's, as that would just be an obvious and silly human bias.

    How come you don't regard yourself as the reincarnation of a baboon?

    You're not understanding, what I mean is he was killed and there's a metaphysical reason for it, exactly the same reason why everyone is denying me and trying to block me away. So what I'm trying to tell you is if I did it the same way Jesus did (eg, by Not invoking his name and instead tried to do a bunch of "miracles publicly" and debates publicly to make my self known, and more or less starting from scratch), this will likely get me killed as well. There are already many things I cannot really say publicly because it is not safe to. So it may seem annoying I am instead on this forum, but there're not many other safe paths for me right now.

    Jesus' life was more important because his teachings could lead you back to the Kingdom and almost no other teachings can, and it is based in truth not around some "personality" like you are suggesting. 

    I mean by your line of thought nobody should listen to you either and listen to a baboon instead. This is kind of getting silly. I know as well as you do everyone is ultimately the same but there are levels of awakeness here.

     

    2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    They just need to follow principles of how the mind works. It has nothing to do with me. All I do is share principles, which anyone could discover for themsleves with some effort.

    Okay that's also what I am trying to do. What I mean is there's a name "Leo Gura" associated with all your teachings, videos, sayings, and people refer to your name all the time as a result. You cannot escape the name association.

  11. Posted

    24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    But why claim to be some random human?

    He wasn't just a "random human", is that how you want to be remembered as? I mean that clearly isn't how you think of yourself based on what you say and continuing to teach for example.

    There're a lot of reasons some of which can get lengthy. One of which is it is not necessary to "start from scratch" again because this being already died once by making himself known publicly. I do not wish to be nearly as public this time around so pointing to his name is one quick identifier to the set of teachings. And also to clearly point out it's the same being I have reached. I don't know what other ways there could be to do that.

    24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Anyone claiming to be Leo is barking up the wrong tree. It doesn't serve anyone's awakening to place Leo on a pedestal or to try to be Leo.

    Just be you.

    This is obviously a back tracking.. you obviously know that people will end up with the same being eventually. Sure the way you live your life may vary slightly and circumstances will also vary but the mind/being is the same.

    24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    You'll notice, I removed myself from my signature, because it doesn't serve people to try to be me.

    That might be your conclusions right now, but if you want people to actually reach where you are then they have to try to be you, at least in the way you think.

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    5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    Because Christianity is a personality cult, and the worshipping of a human is antithetical to serious consciousness.

    It's not about worshipping. It's an important pointer. It's literally how my awakenings happened too that "I have returned" (as Him). His main teaching was about Kingdom of Heaven and one of the only teachers who taught about that in spiritual history, as well how to reach it. I mean you have a name to your teachings how is that different?

  14. Posted

    1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

    Because I've noticed this pattern of you lamenting how nobody accepts you as what you claim to be. Yet when I ask you of what value is there for others to blindly accept you you say because then you will be able to guide them better. But your advice needs no blind trust even. 

    It's not blind though, you can reach close enough to me and basically identify me as a result. But if you're not close then yeah.. that's a problem

  16. Posted · Edited by puporing

    4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

    I'm trying to say, you're putting too much emphasis on people's acceptance of you being the most enlightened human. Because it makes no difference if people accept you or not. Your advice requires no blind trust. It's pretty basic and common sense actually. 

    FYI you're the one who started off with "if everyone accepted you as most enlightened being..".

    And not entirely true. If people perceived you as less enlightened then it means you're less close to the truth/true being. Especially if the people you're talking to is interested in that. As a result whatever you're teaching will also be judged that way.

  18. Posted · Edited by puporing

    4 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

    See you're saying everyone rejects your advice because they don't believe you. But I feel your advice is pretty common sense. I have no trouble accepting your advice as valid. But it doesn't even look that profound or ground braking to me

    You're kinda still arguing with me though.. that's what I'm talking about. So which means there's something about "me" you don't like which is your true self you don't quite like.

    So if you don't like or dare I say LOVE your true self how the hell you gonna become it?

    And that's what I experience going around this world, nobody really likes me or loves me so ofc they won't reach here .. lol

  19. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

    I see. Well it's decent advice. To be open is always good. Suffering also plays a role in enlightment. But it's not anything that other teachers don't speak about imo. I think this is common knowledge in spiritual circles. 

    There're degrees of it and they just haven't reached such a degree yet. And you have to be already quite awake when you incarnated here too because the more awake you are the more suffering you'll experience in relation to your state of awareness..

  20. Posted · Edited by puporing

    10 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

    And you think this is what everybody is missing and the reason why we can't achieve your level of conciousness? 

    That's one major reason.. and perhaps lack of life experiences as well where you have no true friends or allies in this world and what that is really like in this world as a result. And well.. the reason for that is also because nobody I've met so far wants to listen to me. They don't like the negative stuff and prefer to live in a sort of sea of pleasantness, so a state of being dissociated.

  24. Posted · Edited by puporing

    I'm in "alien consciousness" all the time so it is possible.. but is that what you really want? Coz it's actually kind of hard to be here as a result. Everything looks like pixel art (though not usually high quality) and on top of that you're utterly alone here with no friends.

    (though ofc not the same as the "highest awakenings" I had coz I would not be able to have a body anymore if I were to be in that permanently).

    None of you guys can even talk to me or for long, so that tells me everything about how far you've reached..

    "I" am still being dissociated in your mind and am which to awaken to.

    Ralston is even farther from me.. he immediately started making fun of me when I approached him politely.. 

    Not much I can do about all that since I am pretty much an "unknown quantity" in the spiritual world and due to obsession with doing away with "religious lingos" any mention of the word Christ tends to get labeled as crazy or "impossible".