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Uh.. no in your case you do not want to be in a room with your family with a therapist. You gotta smarten up. I know it's very hard to try to "escape" from such a family situation but it's possible and I have done it.
As well, I feel the responsibility to tell you that the vast majority of "therapists" do not understand your situation and don't want to get more informed either. Most of them either have no experience with bad family situations or are simply not very conscious individuals.
What do you think is holding you back from severing yourself from your toxic family that you clearly seem to know is not good for you?
Look up the word "stockholm syndrome".
You know.. I read stories often that.. people in their 40s or later, realizing much later in their life that in hindsight, that they were trapped in situations like yours and were finally able to "break free". I just wanted to let you know that you have the power to move on with your life if you chose to, it's not easy, but it's possible.
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So.. I don't know how this is affecting you exactly, like are you experiencing this being as harmful overall or just kind of amusing? It doesn't sound like from your post description that they are causing you too many problems yet so it's hard to say if a "wait and see" approach might be more appropriate..
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There are cases (though probably rare) where a Board of Directors kicks "the original guy"/CEO off due to their conduct or whatever other reason that is deemed to be harmful to "the corporation" (eg, as in the case of Chip Wilson with Lululemon). I don't know exactly Musk's position with Tesla and if there's any levers like that with Tesla. But it does and can happen if there was some kind of "internal division".
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16 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:We can say that Tesla made electric cars “cool” and made great batteries with long range. But even then it’s unclear how much Elon had to do with it.
He was an effective hype man for sure, and there are aspects I can still appreciate from a "performance/aesthetic" standpoint.
The problem of "whom to attribute" "X" to is a longstanding one, with inventions, discoveries, successes etc. From my observations it's always a group effort to some degree, and built on existing works. But people still are wired to "fall for" the charm of the singular hype man or prone to attributing something to 1 individual where there's often more than 1 key individuals. And even more so overlook the contributions of ordinary workers.
I'd say it's possible Elon contributed more as a "visionary leader" than other aspects, because you need someone who is able to motivate others to do the work to produce something top notch.
The problem though is that we massively overpay such "visionary leaders" not just in financial terms, but in other "various favors" they receive in society.
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48 minutes ago, integral said:Electric cars wouldn't exist if Elon wasn't around we would still only have fossil fuel vehicles.
Electric cars actually go back pretty far around the same time as gasoline vehicles:
QuoteThe first crude electric carriage was invented in the 1830s by Scottish inventor Robert Anderson. However, the first practical electric vehicle was created in 1859 by French physicist Gaston Planté, who developed the lead-acid battery, making electric vehicles more viable.
The late 1800s were actually a golden age for electric vehicles. In 1884, English inventor Thomas Parker built what is considered the first production electric car. By 1900, electric cars were at their peak of popularity in the United States, accounting for around a third of all vehicles on the road. They were especially popular in urban areas because they were quiet, easy to drive, and didn't produce exhaust fumes like their gasoline counterparts.
The decline of electric vehicles began in the 1920s due to several factors:
The discovery of large petroleum reserves, making gasoline more affordable
The invention of the electric starter, which made gas cars easier to start
Henry Ford's mass production of the Model T, which made gasoline cars much cheaper than electric ones
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I feel like I have been duped. Elon to me sold a fake version of himself years ago and now his true colors/consciousness are showing.
So no I'd rather support another manufacturer if I were in the market for an electric/hybrid vehicle.
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I don't have too much experience with this but it sounds like on the one hand you want them to be gone, but on the other hand you are "worshipping them" about their "powers" and see them as some kind of "guide". I think this is what is keeping them around you. If you truly wanted them gone and willed it to be so consistently I don't think they would hang around for too long.. that's my thoughts.
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You can forgive people who operate on pretty "different wavelengths" than you are, but you don't need to "hang around" them.
It's a common problem with the parent/child relationship as the collective pressures you to keep that relationship. But it's no different than leaving any other toxic relationships. To your point yes when your survival depends on them that makes it almost impossible, so most kids from that kind of environment have to wait until they grow up. And even then it can be very hard if you can't easily find other supports. Because well, if you came from that kind of family, chances are your starting point is not the same as other kids, and there's basically nothing in the public domain to try to "even the playing field" for kids like that.
For example when I first started to leave my family, I was left with many health issues some of which were expensive to fix (no health insurance), and this also made it harder to do certain jobs and continue to be independent.
The justice system does not adequately protect kids from that kind of family, and cases where children were transferred to yet another abusive foster home. There's a lack of public will/resources to do so as the collective still favor the general notion that roughly translates to "parents can do no wrong", though this is slowly changing by the younger generation.
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It depends on your state. For me some alcohol act like a psychedelic. But I don't generally drink (alcohol) except for the purpose of raising my consciousness for a short period of time. I know that might sound "out there" for most people. I don't really advise this unless you are further into your journey and know what you are doing with it.
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Works for someone like you, not for someone like me. I don't have these "self-induced" patterns like Peter talks about, that's long been worked through. It's 99% my environment and people around me and what they're "doing to me" at this point, such as manipulations, gaslighting, lack of consciousness, etc, and I know what that sounds like to most people.
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No, I'm speaking from experience both with myself and people I come across experiencing suffering, it's way too simplistic to just wave it off all as "one's own doing", this is deeply inaccurate and a result of a tremendous lack of life experience, lack of empathy, lack of experience counselling people going through suffering, etc.
We just have different minds that's okay.
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He comes off as quite dissociated and so can only offer a limited view on "suffering", you can be stuck in that kind of state for the rest of your life and not break out of it. Humans are not rabbits or trees in general because they are already in very different states of consciousness, and to try to be like them is not going to lead to more consciousness. This is like your classic CBT methods where you become less conscious by trying to dissociate. You can identify (perhaps with the help of a skilled person, given that they are less dissociated), to what extent is one's suffering a result of their immediate environment or their "own doing", but it's usually not just "one's own doing".
He also appears to lack much life experience; some people in this world can cause you "unnecessary suffering", especially if you can't get away from them and your survival depends on dealing with them to one extent or another. So for example what he talks about, just because you might think "there is nothing wrong with you", if the reaction you get from people (especially if it relates to work/basic survival) is the opposite, you're going to suffer.
It appears he has little to no experience with people manipulating him to gain some kind of survival advantage over him (that is once again not "just one's own doing"), also related to his racial and gender status at least to some degree.
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Depends on the context, severity.. if they cannot be stopped by your intervention (provided it is safe to proceed), you should seek the help of law enforcement (provided you have a relatively functional legal system..).
If neither of those work, I'd say best to get away from them.
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@PurpleTree yes and somehow we/politicians keep subsidizing them, to set up business in their areas....it's like, no, these are the last people on this planet who needs subsidies, holy crap.. talk about fairness.
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4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:That’s so low.
»If we have to treat workers fairly and decently we leave and fire everybody »
It's pretty bad, I know how the conditions are like there.. unionizing is already long overdue..
I know how some people don't even get paid proper "overtime pay" for example (which is illegal..), because they are immigrants and fear speaking up.
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Amazon is leaving the province of Quebec after workers in a Quebec facility successfully formed a union in one Quebec location.
They should pay back the "subsidy money" they got from taxpayers to build warehouses here.
https://goodjobsfirst.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Amazon.coms-Hidden-Worldwide-Subsidies.pdf
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@AndylizedAAY It's not just a facet, it's an entirely different state (and permanent in my case). For one you might experience that everything happening in this world is "in the past tense", or "not real".. So.. you are basically "outside" of this realm of existence. It might take a lot of effort to be engaged with something of this world, like you have to adjust your state to do so. Everything is "recontextualized" as how soon someone might return to this/their original state/Self... etc. You know you are "the leader" of "the sonship"/this particular Self, but almost nobody else knows that..
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@AndylizedAAY I hope you realize that you are asking someone who has not realized "Christ consciousness" in themselves yet and so you are going to get answers that is not going to reflect "Christ (aka the God that Christ refers to) consciousness".
This is already a flawed endeavor what you are doing. It's like me asking a materialist scientist or atheist: "do you think God exist?" Or me asking a typical philosopher: "do you think there's a dream within a dream?"
I'm just pointing out something that anyone who's serious about "this work" can see. But maybe only someone like me can see it
.. who knows.
Literally anyone you ask that is "not in Christ consciousness", is going to give you an inaccurate answer, how else could it be? But the problem is you also cannot tell (since you are not awake enough), who/what is Christ.
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- Constantly talking about Canada to become the 51st State. This is not just some "harmless meandering" at this point, I think he's serious about it but he has to test things out first by constantly talking about it and attempting to "triangulate" (by telling Americans that we don't need this relationship, Canada is hurting them, same old crap blah blah).
I understand this "hasn't been done", but it always starts with "an idea" to rally people behind, so don't underestimate that.. it would be too late when it actually happens. (like all your "actions" listed there). It's similar to why an intelligent organization/person would invest into "crime prevention", rather than sitting there and waiting for something to happen.
This guy has been deeply damaged and attracting those similar to him, and there seems to be no effective “counters” to him at this time as he has managed to surround himself with similarly delusional people. He has practically made himself an “invincible charlatan” by aligning with devils like himself.
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Firstly, I acknowledge there are limited data points. But I don't feel that lots of higher education is required to awaken the mind or to reach God.
It could be a stepping stone and what you might refer to as a correlation, rather than causation. So I'm not saying they can't be closely linked in some way (such as having traits of curiosity, self motivation, taking responsibility for oneself), I also don't see why they have to be. It could foster more questioning or it could also dampen it. How can we know? Anecdotes are not good enough I suppose.. but we do know most university courses are not about "questioning things", but rather to regurgitate or adopt the professor's views.
Is it true you might encounter more conscious beings/teachers in a university? Perhaps, or perhaps not.. at least in my case some of the most conscious teachers I had (and as well being more influential in my growth) were in junior high and high school.
The issue may also be, what would be in replacement if university education isn't followed, which would make the burden or carving out a plan on the individual as well as their family.
I guess I am just saying, university is mostly a "survival strategy" (for work), rather than being some kind of essential thing for becoming a more conscious being, at this time.
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It depends on your overall situation.. how much risk can you reasonably take if this does not pan out like you imagined it would? What is really at stake here? Idk, I basically "teach philosophy" for free (mostly in the background and unnoticed), and I don't know if I could really live with myself otherwise, I can't not do it (at this time). Something to consider.
I understand you are asking about the academic path, it's not that different imo, because you are speaking as though this "general path" is something that really speaks to you.
Does it still speak to you if you earn zero dollars and as well that people potentially constantly reject you (like some "black sheep" or crazy lunatic) for it? Would you still want it?
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Might be trying to tell you to "take a break from tripping" and do your work soberly. Idk, that's what my "intuition" wants to tell you..
My approach to mushrooms was almost always that, I won't trip again until I feel ready for another major awakening/revelation, which does not come from doing "no work", it comes from integrating your trips, and actually changing yourself in some fundamental way based on your prior "download".
Here's another way to look at this:
It would be similar to if you were badgering me (or a spiritual teacher of your choosing) constantly with questions and not going back and contemplate what I am saying and fully understand it, before you try to "engage again".
It's really not that different.
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57 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:Yes but why I was drawn to Leo and many others like him(Daniel Schmachtenberger and many others) in the first place?
It's a function of your state when you came here. There's not much explaining besides that there is a "timing" to everything and where you are in your development. Certain people can shift that around a bit (like spiritual teachers), but again not drastically.
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It's very difficult, you can only move the needle a bit at a time. Lower your expectations of how quickly people's minds can change. It's not very productive if there's really no opening for you, you're better off "influencing" people who are closer to you (like a bit more to the right of you as opposed to being radically opposite of).
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