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If we're talking about in the relative then something like.. Lover, Misfit, Warrior.

Ahaha it's more a feeling I'm going off of and little bits of biographical info. But Michael Jackson, Hayashi Yasunori ('yasu' of Janne da Arc and Acid Black Cherry), and pianist Dmitri Levkovich. Composers like Chopin, Claude Debussy, Franz Liszt, Erik Satie to name a few.

Osho Leo Gura Matt Kahn Shunyamurti And some musicians who I consider mystics.

Yes you can practice either low or high conscious. It's just that when you exclude one possibility from the other in your life while with someone (ie, zero tolerance), it tends to become less conscious - as in because it involves more than one individuals, whenever we try to "make someone" feel and be a certain way (or expect it always for eternity) we start running into lower conscious territory. The solution is to develop to a point where we can be at peace or let go (if we can't be with them and celebrate with them), with what others we have invited into our lives chooses to do. Tall order that life constantly is challenging us with.

Yes that's the limitation/preference people usually adopt, for reasons and maybe for its 'intensity'. It's possible to develop to a point where you can have a spiritual relationship/connection without an 'actual relationship' with someone (and 'things'), or without even seeing their face/knowing them very much otherwise.

I guess one more thing.. don't try too hard to short-circuit what you genuinely want for your life right now with something that may be deemed 'higher' spiritually, as also we do not live in such a world and there will be tremendous difficulties (or not and choose a very hard mode lawl) . But yeah it's like people trying to abstain from sex when they still want it. You can if you're not sure about things just be honest with the person you're with - I am looking for a long term partner, and I want our union to make our lives better for both of us, I may be "poly curious", etc... (depending on where you are I'm just throwing an example here). Maybe you'll be surprised to find someone with a similar outlook. And the topic of children is tricky. Poly does not have legal protection (which is biased against poly people), so it can in some cases jeopardize legal rights to children. Something to think about if you care about that stuff. I highly recommend a reading of "The Complete Conversations with God" - Neale Donald Walsch. That book resonated alot with me couple years ago, I've since evolved my views a bit further, but it sounds like it may be similar to where you are at.

Because you're creating a world like that ?. (I'm half joking). People don't want to take a biological woman seriously, because that may actually change the way society operates and redistribute power. It's part of the conditioning and lack of women role models fuels this bias. Lack of allies, women are more controlled than allowed to be individual/independent thinkers. They're expected to follow a predetermined path (ie become mothers) as the only valid way to manifest. From early on by her parents (usually the mother) and family systems, who generally cannot tolerate daughters having too much autonomy. For a woman to awaken to this they have to embrace the masculine side to an extent or another, the opposite of what they're taught to survive and/or be accepted and loved, so there's alot of self-inflicted bias as well. They may have to forgo romantic relationships (or at least much of it) as a result of this and that's pretty radical for most people to want. (Don't think either Teal Swan or Marianne Williamson have long term partners currently at least not public). Having more fragile body and dealing with bodily differences in general probably doesn't help either.

Yeah that all makes sense. You're pretty aware already! I hope you can find a way to a better/more compatible situation. I know what it's like not being at my potential at most jobs. Try to think outside the box. Business loans also an option most people don't think to go down the road of just fyi ?.

That's refreshing and inspiring to hear.

There's not much use trying to plan this in your head. You might meet someone and start off monogamous, and grow into something more open, or you may not (as an example). Direct experience will give you the answers. Communicating honestly about things as you go, where you're uncertain or more certain of. Maybe even ask your partner what they might prefer/experiment with. The highest love may just be acceptance of what is in yourself and in others but it's okay if that's not where you are yet and you have a preference to pursue as that's also part of the whole.

Firstly, be more gentle on yourself.. See if you can stay as conscious as you can when you consume it. How were you feeling at the time? What does it give you? Is there something else I am potentially avoiding through this substance? I'm not perfect on this at all either fyi but I notice it's usually when I feel not at my best or at my potential, experiencing some kind of emotional pain/heartbreak, loneliness, or an excuse for avoiding more difficult work. When you're more conscious of the subtle psychological aspects that can be the door to changing the ways in which we deal with it. Also, I don't think it's bad to enjoy things in life. Ultimately it wasn't guilt or negative talk that made me reduce them, it was being hyper aware when I am doing it and shifting my focus on what I really wanted to be doing/being.

^This.

@integration journey Writing it out helps, like details of your insights. Make it into a poem while you're at it . And yeah... whatever leaves you space to contemplate/be will do.

Haha, yesss!

@Grant6 Yeah exactly.. I guess a lot of people also end up here because of past trauma or some kind of unbearable pain they had to endure, which opened them up to the possibility of something more to life than what they've experienced. Well.. not to say trauma is necessary but seems like that is well represented in the spiritual communities.

Love that! Keep the fire burning!

Fear of being alone/ostracized, survival needs, and lack of curiosity drive people to be mostly conformists instead of being on the path of questioning. School systems brainwash people to not question "too much", and parents/family systems do this as well. No exposure to the material in the first place. So collectively it's like crabs in a bucket, you can't go/venture out very far without being pressured to come back down. Those who are on the quest either have some ally or have to maintain a veneer of fitting in just to survive. It's just hard to do and most people don't find it compelling when they can just chase after something more immediately gratifying. The other thing is survival needs not being met. I think people are more open to it when their situation is more 'stable'.

Oh nice, love Coldplay! Yes it always does evolve. I started with classical, like Chopin/Rachmaninoff were my main focus before getting into rock. And thank you very much for the encouragement, likewise to you! Right now I am "catching up" on electric guitar and drums, and just learning the compositions of ones I like and exploring a bit.

LOL welcome to the struggles of being a "poly". ? Though I prefer to see it as different lovers offering different things rather than "high/low" value. (So I could be wrong about you being more "poly" than "mono"). We have to learn rejection of being poly (ie, wanting open relationships) from others in exchange for honoring our true feelings and wishes. I would focus on practicing feeling into being okay with being on your own if it came to that. Being okay with letting go in exchange for your freedom to explore if you value this more right now in your life. Communicate authentically to those around you and whomever you're with why you feel a certain way, without sugar coating or appeasement. We can choose who we authentically want to be, we just can't expect others to want the same as we do, in the world of mostly mono relationships. Ultimately it is up to you which way you choose to be each moment and everyday. Maybe one day you'll want to be in a mono situation, or maybe that just never happens. Just do what feels the most right I don't think that can go wrong. (I have come to the realization that all of this is also me looking for and wanting to "be near" something as close to God as possible and basking in the beauty of its manifestations, when the truth is also that I have been right here all along).

I love swimming.. especially when I'm on my back and the noise is canceled out. There's just something about being in the water makes it really meditative too maybe that would suit you.

I think that's more grist for the mill for self-growth, finding and living the purpose to your life here, regardless of the relationship aspects - which I know can be tough. The struggle is there in a sense to help us go higher and higher if you accept the call. Nothing wrong with pampering ourselves either though .

I'm not there yet, still learning some instruments/theory atm. But punk rock, hard/progressive rock, grunge, pop rock are my interests right now. How about you??

Or they didn't dare to do what he did and if they tried, similar problems may have arisen or even worse. It's easy to appear unquestionable when you don't show up in public everyday.

That was his blindspot. But overall he was on the side of truth. You can pick apart almost any guru if you really wanted to, especially someone as radical as he was.

I mostly agree with Osho's view on it, but we don't live in the world of Osho right now so if one thinks like he does then one has to find their own way..