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@Grant6 Yeah exactly.. I guess a lot of people also end up here because of past trauma or some kind of unbearable pain they had to endure, which opened them up to the possibility of something more to life than what they've experienced. Well.. not to say trauma is necessary but seems like that is well represented in the spiritual communities.

Love that! Keep the fire burning!

Fear of being alone/ostracized, survival needs, and lack of curiosity drive people to be mostly conformists instead of being on the path of questioning. School systems brainwash people to not question "too much", and parents/family systems do this as well. No exposure to the material in the first place. So collectively it's like crabs in a bucket, you can't go/venture out very far without being pressured to come back down. Those who are on the quest either have some ally or have to maintain a veneer of fitting in just to survive. It's just hard to do and most people don't find it compelling when they can just chase after something more immediately gratifying. The other thing is survival needs not being met. I think people are more open to it when their situation is more 'stable'.

Oh nice, love Coldplay! Yes it always does evolve. I started with classical, like Chopin/Rachmaninoff were my main focus before getting into rock. And thank you very much for the encouragement, likewise to you! Right now I am "catching up" on electric guitar and drums, and just learning the compositions of ones I like and exploring a bit.

LOL welcome to the struggles of being a "poly". ? Though I prefer to see it as different lovers offering different things rather than "high/low" value. (So I could be wrong about you being more "poly" than "mono"). We have to learn rejection of being poly (ie, wanting open relationships) from others in exchange for honoring our true feelings and wishes. I would focus on practicing feeling into being okay with being on your own if it came to that. Being okay with letting go in exchange for your freedom to explore if you value this more right now in your life. Communicate authentically to those around you and whomever you're with why you feel a certain way, without sugar coating or appeasement. We can choose who we authentically want to be, we just can't expect others to want the same as we do, in the world of mostly mono relationships. Ultimately it is up to you which way you choose to be each moment and everyday. Maybe one day you'll want to be in a mono situation, or maybe that just never happens. Just do what feels the most right I don't think that can go wrong. (I have come to the realization that all of this is also me looking for and wanting to "be near" something as close to God as possible and basking in the beauty of its manifestations, when the truth is also that I have been right here all along).

I love swimming.. especially when I'm on my back and the noise is canceled out. There's just something about being in the water makes it really meditative too maybe that would suit you.

I think that's more grist for the mill for self-growth, finding and living the purpose to your life here, regardless of the relationship aspects - which I know can be tough. The struggle is there in a sense to help us go higher and higher if you accept the call. Nothing wrong with pampering ourselves either though .

I'm not there yet, still learning some instruments/theory atm. But punk rock, hard/progressive rock, grunge, pop rock are my interests right now. How about you??

Or they didn't dare to do what he did and if they tried, similar problems may have arisen or even worse. It's easy to appear unquestionable when you don't show up in public everyday.

That was his blindspot. But overall he was on the side of truth. You can pick apart almost any guru if you really wanted to, especially someone as radical as he was.

I mostly agree with Osho's view on it, but we don't live in the world of Osho right now so if one thinks like he does then one has to find their own way..

@Raptorsin7 Yes I just missed the time that Rajneeshpuram existed ... It's not completely hopeless, I am finding my own way. Everything is technically negotiable between adults. I just gotta get used to what it's like being a guy getting rejected 100 times and maybe 1 works.

You just embrace it. The masculine don't care what others think. It just does what it does. People who are repulsed by it aren't worth your time anyway. That's the attitude I adopt. Be fearless wherever you can. Be okay with being "alone"/enjoying your own company as opposed to pleasing people who don't appreciate who you authentically are.

Osho Hayashi Yasunori (yasu) Michael Jackson

Haha, thanks, an overactive mind/imagination is fueling some of this for sure ?. May have a touch of the ADD, they say that makes it difficult to maintain long term relationships too.

Yup… hence why if everyone was awakened strict monogamy as the only valid thing there is doesn’t make as much sense, but collectively we are still too in the ego to see this. But even if mass awakening doesn’t happen anytime soon we can move towards more tolerance for alternative ways of being. Gay rights didn’t just happen because everyone was awakened. An orientation towards individuality already can move a lot towards tolerance.

@Raptorsin7 Haha putting me on the spot . That is actually such a tough question for me when it may seem like a no-brainer to most.. No one's gonna like my answer probably but my ideal is to have multiple long term lovers who are allowed to come and go in my life, whether just in my head or manifested in form (who are also allowed to have other lovers that is). Will it happen? I have no idea and not much hope with this currently (except in my head). I find it very hard to focus just on one person for a long period of time - and I want to be honest about that. I know there's more than one "soulmates" for me and they're all unique in their own ways that I appreciate very much (already has been the case..), and I long to connect with them all from time to time in whatever form (again we're talking hypothetical rather than what is 'realistic'). So the way I see it I will either be serial monogamist or polyam as a result unless some miracle happens, which I suppose is also possible. I guess limited data doesn't help either maybe I just haven't found someone I could be in such attunement with that I'd be okay letting go of others. I think because of the degree of awareness of what goes on in myself internally, that makes this question tough to answer. On the one hand, I would love to experience what you describe, on the other hand, I really don't know how that would turn out "in the long run". Whatever happens is good and I prefer to just go with the flow mostly. I know I am just looking for "myself" and "home" (ie, God) through these 'lovers' and I happen to take great joy in the journey of finding and loving "myself".

God you're such a tease about it. Music composition/songwriting. And possibly performance I'm not sure yet on that.

You are not ugly. Every wild flower is beautiful in their own ways. We may still prefer one over the other for ourselves but they're all beautiful. And you existing here is a miracle.

What does the highest love call for? And I mean the highest love that includes "yourself".

Not "everyone" on the forum is awake...for one. The other thing is you choose to participate in the dream again because well... What else is there to do? Same thing with socializing/having sex, God is just masturbating, but it wants to enjoy itself through the differentiation.

Things like attempting to open up an existing relationship, leaving the existing relationship to explore on their own, do/say nothing because of fear and continue living a sub-optimal life that is not serving them well.

Good for you for reaching that point and allowing yourself to be receptive to the limitations and what comes after that! Yes, serious questioning requires radical 'letting-go'-ness to re-examine things, which is more of a 'feminine trait', so a combination of the 'masculine' where it wants to figure things out/make sense of reality and the 'letting-go' of the feminine makes for a pretty holistic approach!

@bejapuskas I am learning so many words and terminologies from you this is great stuff! Strict monogamy "for life" is an attempt at the permanence of something deemed beautiful and divine. However, this is an illusion as the divine is impermanent and constantly shapeshifting. Most people realize this at some point in their life and then have to make a decision about it. Some never change their views and still think permanence is attainable some try to go beyond it and begin the questioning.

That's awesome and pretty cool to hear!! Oh yeah, a more masculine woman outwardly can totally be feminine in a romantic situation, especially if she's aware of this in herself. Most people just kind of take someone at their face value and don't bother digging deeper or get intimidated.. :)! It's possible to quickly evolve I think with determination to do so at all cost (like the willingness to accept that your life might just 'turn upside down' after the fact haha), most are just not interested in this kind of rapid development, they want their reality reflected rather than trying to move beyond it continually to arrive at the truths. But like you say it's all creation.