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I don't agree with that... I have 99% certainty of where I'm going and going to be.. because I'm basically already being it with some limitations (like not the full magnitude because of body but the state will be very similar). Actually.. I don't really think I can leave this body until I choose to at this point. I have a feeling I would be able to live a very long time here if I chose to for my "teaching/divine purposes". Though you know.. I don't wanna start making claims if I haven't proved it yet.. it's just what it seems to me at this point. @Something Funny I'm sorry that it came off as a guilt trip..that wasn't the point. I'm sure people would understand you were suffering. I am just pointing out this inevitable effect on people.

@Something Funny My response would be.. since you haven't awakened enough from my view it's better to do that than "suicide". You could find out more or less what you are going to end up being "on the other side" with some mushrooms for example.. The other thing is about love, anytime someone commits suicide it has a ripple effect on the people around them. There will for sure be people saddened by the loss and your presence/way of leaving this world. Though yeah technically I think most people basically "suicides" when they leave here when their body is at its "end use" or some other karmic determination.. but it's different to me when a young ish person tries to do that especially if they're still healthy. That would be a circumstantial thing more or less that could be improved.

I mean it's interesting your mind even mentioned this if you really think there's no truth to it.. I could help you but.. if your mind has already decided I am deluded or untrue or unreal then I can't help you. So it's a chicken and egg situation where if you reject me you won't ever find what I found..

@Keryo Koffa You can from a higher baseline level switch to something lower if you wanted. It just generally doesn't feel "pleasant" for long and mostly for me it would be a teaching tool to try to meet the other person where they're at. I don't think you can just "forget" where you currently are though in the same lifetime if your baseline settled down more. It sounds like maybe you're integrating some awakenings if that's the case.

Maybe not the exact scenario but.. I get giggles all the time when people less conscious than me try to argue with me coz I know they're arguing with their higher self. And one day when they eventually get here it'll be quite the aha moment for them. The ego is a bitch though and pretty relentless.

Likewise, and boyyy that degree of "outsiderness" you can reach... Good that you try to keep an open mind though.

^I am interjecting. There are many degrees of "I am" you can reach "vertically" to use your words. It sounds like to me he was starting to reach some light, maybe closer to where Matt Kahn is. In terms of the potential confusion with "Father and Son", only thing I can say right now is I've experienced that in some of my awakenings into Kingdom of Heaven, and as well when I needed "more power" to deal with demonic spirits, but it's not a constant state for me. So it did feel like in those moments that there was a "Father" or you could say a sense of being protected by something greater. I suspect this is something I would experience more of when I am out of the body.

@Davino yes those two are related. Good for you. There's more.

Depends on how awake you became during your lifetime. Most people will come right back here, still mostly asleep that is.

There's not really "forcing" but you could say influencing. Also the cutoff part of you is suffering due to it now being largely forgotten, so due to that it can only suffer for so long before it has to come out into this world.

Could be depends. I would say mine was a symptom of wanting to wake up a lot and be hyper conscious. And to this day I will have trouble moving at speeds most people move at in this world and prefer things to "go faster" if that makes sense.

Because you cannot truly forget where you came from and as well discernment of what's true. It's why there will always be spiritual teachers etc.

Well the higher states you reach the more accurate this "intuition" is. Maybe I'm not 100% accurate because it's over text and limitations of this as a result. But I'm saying overall I get a pretty good idea in short period of time. I am not in an ego state, but again you are just gonna keep saying I am, what can I do? Anyway this is all really not very productive anymore. I was just trying to say it's possible to reach a state where you are pretty much all knowing. Somehow everytime I say that there's at least one person that doesn't react well. It is what it is. Kinda strange to me nobody seem to desire the state I'm describing. Idk why you would rather not be as all knowing as you can be. For your information I was really hoping to leave this thread, it is an neverending fight for me every time I try to speak on this forum, that I would rather not be engaged in. But you guys just seem to love to keep on going. For the ones who are refraining from interacting with me in an unproductive manner I appreciate your effort.

Yeah it can. It's because of my state, I don't know how else to explain that. Basically just about every mind in this world is in various forms of "ego consciousness". Once you get out of your own you can understand all the ego consciousness out there. It doesn't take much for me to "know" someone's mind. You have more light just because you are aware of what you were doing and apologized. I measure everything based on how much love someone really has within them at the end of the day and it's not about just some text but how that text is being conveyed, among other things.

@Nemra You are triggered by me just like a lot of the others. I understand all minds, you can get there too if you wished.

I don't think so, I would know if you have. There would be no doubt for me who has reached it. You're still against me fundamentally how can you have reached it?

@Salvijus You are seriously extremely delusional about your assessment of yourself and I could hardly point it out to you due to my relative weak position on this forum. But you can't fool me, you are not from the light you're a devil trying to shut me down. You're the one that needs some major healing and projecting it all onto me. I suffer not because I am not healed but because of devils like you pretending to be some saint and fool a bunch of people who don't have enough consciousness to see. I've seen it too many times and you can't fool me where exactly you are in your development. Every one like you is banking on the fact of my weak position on this forum at this time because nobody can yet recognize me. But I know the truth of how each of your minds are.

I am not your teacher, you should go find someone else and leave me alone.

Again you are targeting me and being a devil.

You are extremely blind and your mind chose to target me because I do not resonate with you. I could get kicked out of this forum anytime and almost nobody would even know I existed. You could not say the same with all the other teachers, they have masses of influence, yet you are here targeting me about "clinging to this role".

Nothing is preventing anyone from reaching where I am, I had no particular "guide" to give me pointers to this state like what's happening here. You seem determined to try to shut me down rather than try to get there yourself. Nobody cares about me either way whether I am Christ or not Christ so that's pretty pointless of an argument. Also you could say that line of argument to any spiritual teacher on this planet. The reason you're saying it to me is because you feel like you can get away with it behind a screen and lack of any protection of me on this forum. "Clinging to this role" again you could say that to any spiritual teacher why are you targeting me always?

You don't know that, might be true for you but.. there might be 1 or 2 people here who will reach here in this life time.

Neither Ken Wilber nor you are close to my level of consciousness so of course it's easy to just dismiss me like most people do. This is extremely common to dismiss Christ consciousness even followers and teachers of Christ will do it they have no ability to recognize him if he returned. Even while Jesus was here only John the Baptist seemed to recognize him maybe a few others but it sounded like his followers didn't fully understand/recognize him. It really is quite far away from people in this world and so there will be hardly anyone here who can recognize it as it being a "real state". You have to already have reached a lot of Light in yourself to recognize it. I have never claimed that I own this level of consciousness, the reason I am even sharing about it is in the hopes that more people could reach it. But Christ teachings fills a lot of gaps that other teachers are not currently able to fill hence it's still of importance to refer to his teachings.

1) While having a body yes. There will be some limitations just because I still have a body as well, because you cannot literally become the whole thing/remain in the highest states while here it's bigger than the "universe". But other than that yes you can experience what it'll be like after you leave the body. 2) Basically, unless you didn't get there all the way and have some sort of ego backlash. 3) There's another being I have no contact with currently referenced in my signature, so I cannot confirm how he managed to reach here. 4-6) Correct.

Not so fast, there are not "a lot of people" who have reached it. You don't like me saying it but none of you guys have. And dismissing me like that is one quick way to not reach it in your lifetime.