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That's what is happening now with the European alliance, since US backed out at this point. Nobody can force anyone to do anything for this. It is voluntary yes. That's why it's now called the "Coalition of the Willing".

As well, even if we do not look into the "future". To me it's morally the correct position to defend Ukraine with the best strategy possible, unless it's obvious we stand no chance. And it's hard to argue about "morality" if people just aren't on the same page.

You have to make assumptions based on someone's past history. This is not something you can really escape. We're not saying it's "inevitable", but what are the probable outcomes.

@Hatfort Your general assessment is not based on a deep study of dictatorships and as well Vladimir Putin and his long history of being a ruthless dictator and crimes against humanity, violator of any notion of "rule of law" both within Russia and externally. I will just park this here though there are fair number of documentaries:

He wasn't wise enough in my view.. but also the rest of EU probably, but again Americans probably don't want their troops there.. so I don't what to say that the wiser choice would've been to contain Putin earlier on. Eg) demonstrate that you outnumber them and push them back on the front lines.

I think we are already in one if we don't contain it by force fast (by force meaning the threat of or actual troops on the ground to deal with the current conflict). There're not really many alternatives, if everyone turns a blind eye, Ukraine will be taken, so will probably all the other former Soviet states, and then what? EU still would have to band together if we kept delaying this, but this time with less manpower and territory.

I mean I wasn't "there", and just reading about what's gone on with Putin I can't trust him either, he's a psychopathic liar and serial killer to me, that should properly belong to a jail cell if the world was run right. So I don't know about "tainted" other than understanding what he is dealing with, and it is important to understand what you are dealing with. This will affect everything afterwards. I don't agree that Putin has to agree to anything. He should be coerced into an agreement more so at this stage. He is not some "equal player", the west is "dealing with" a criminal and a criminal does not have equal say in a peace deal. They need to be contained. To try to appease Putin will never work because he always wants more and more, and his mind has convinced himself that this is justified due to the history of his nation, but it really isn't. It's like you are arguing for "lets make sure the robber who robbed my house agrees to this deal". Same point as above, Zelensky and the rest of EU and Canada knows Putin does not need to agree, and need to be forced his hands instead because he is in the wrong. The current US Administration is just too corrupt to understand basic morality principles. Has zero awareness of world history it seems. It's something even a child should understand.

Good line. Pretty much on point too. The "intelligent" are much more rare usually, so it's easy to just wipe them out one by one, if the population is already not very intelligent..

Well it's good that you are acknowledging this. And I would say it's difficult to make an educated/informed take on this unless you have done some basic research and following the news somewhat closely. The EU alliance is now stepping up since the US is a shaky partnership. They have to strengthen their military now. And as well their will seems to be on Ukraine's side to continue fighting while trying to reach a peace deal. That is one possibility. Another possibility is that the bargain is too much in US' favor and Ukraine becomes a "vassal state" (a country that is controlled by a more powerful country. The vassal state may have some autonomy in its internal affairs, but it is dominated by the more powerful country in its foreign affairs.) I think Zelensky is smart enough to be aware of or briefed on these things. So that's why he stressed that if this payment were to happen, there should be security guarantees or be part of NATO.

That made sense to you? Why? Putin broke countless (25 I guess) ceasefire agreements. How can the world trust the next one exactly? This is not like this is the "FIRST TIME" a ceasefire negotiation is signed.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/24/politics/us-joins-russia-ukraine-un-vote/index.html If this does not make this obvious to you that Trump is siding with Putin, I don't know what is. You're not foolish enough to think Trump will say on camera that "I AM SIDING WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN" are you??

You're not looking at it closely enough and just listening to his "words". Trump did not want to give Zelensky security guarantees, that much is clear because he never brings it up, other than as a "carrot to string him along". Trump never openly criticizes Putin, instead berates Zelensky for doing it. Trump's Administration vetoed the UN resolution that condemns Russia's invasion of Ukraine. You are really misreading what is going on, like the rest of Maga who are just getting played by Trump's game. And before you try to debate me, please try to do some research first.

Clearly Trump favors Putin because they both feel that they are "above the law" and should be allowed to do whatever they please. Trump collects people who likes to violate the rule of law and acting like thugs. They're just rebranded thugs. So Trump also greatly dislikes (Just like Putin does) people like Zelensky, Trudeau, "the west". It's pretty straight forward what is going on once you see it that way.

But ignoring them they'll keep posting this crap on this forum..

Lmao, literally all the points are upside down to what is actually happening.. I can't even. I don't know how you guys can be so off..

You are profoundly mistaken and have no understanding of what I am. So unfortunately you think you are equal in your argumentations but you aren't even close.

Misusing the teaching. I wish no harm on you but you are spreading falsehood.

Thanks for the diversion tactic. Information warfare is just as crucial in this moment. But I have no problem joining the fight with the military if it comes to this. If I was gone nobody's here to deal with the likes of you.

I have to worry about devils like you unfortunately.

Same talking points as Trump, who by the way has no interest in protecting Ukrainians from invaders.

@Ishanga arguing with you is like arguing with the Devil: white is black and black is white. It pretty much goes nowhere. You are trying to equate low consciousness with high consciousness and lumping them as the same. It's not. That you are doing that is probably in bad faith trying to justify low consciousness.

No you are severely delusional and I have to call it out for what it is. Nothing personal. But you are spreading falsehood everywhere and that is a problem.

The "fact" right now on the ground is they are being held off, as opposed to some "quick victory" they initially thought they would have. So to me it appears that we have equal force, as US hasn't withdrawn. There's a great risk that US will withdraw depending on how diplomatic talks go. So given that we do not know exactly how Trump will sway as long as Trump is in power, the rest of the countries should invest more in those means of production, equipment. And even after Trump I think it's a good idea, especially if Putin continues to be in power.

We are talking facts, you are just very conveniently ignoring them because you fundamentally agree with Putin's position.

I'm sorry but you now just sound like a Putin puppet, and you don't even realize how wrong you are in your pro-Putin position. You are clearly in favor of dictators and murderers like Putin. I have nothing else to say to you because you are not arguing in good faith whatsover. But people like you should not be allowed to brainwash more people towards a criminal like Putin.