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@Peo It’s not all of course, I’m not even generalizing though it’s the vast vast majority. I’ve read about “RBF” before but it’s like that X5 here. In my experience, you basically can’t have a platonic interaction with a Zoomer woman around here. It strictly falls in either of these 2 categories: 1. You attempt some innocent banter. She ignores it and signals for you to get lost, so you do that promptly. 70% 2. You attempt some innocent banter. She responds way, way too intensely and latches onto the interaction in a way that makes you uncomfortable, basically launching into flirting and skipping the platonic conversation, so you walk away. 30% It’s sad, it’s like the vast majority seem to hate men and openly resent men even talking to them. And then the small portion who DON’T hate men are so attention starved here that they literally physically light up when you talk to them, as if this normal human interaction completely caught them off guard.

@Basman Easier said than done. Depending on where you live, this can be almost impossible. I’m in the PNW and pretty much all Gen Z women here have truly the absolute worst vibes I’ve ever seen. This cannot be understated. Out in public, even at bars and cafes, I strictly only interact with men, or much older women, because both those groups actually aren’t guarded and they talk to me like I’m a person. Whenever I accidentally so much as make eye contact with a Gen Z woman (believe me, I would never do it on purpose) I almost always find they have a genuinely sinister glare they’re directing at me, like they’re communicating that they want to violently hurt me. It’s bizarre and a little frightening. I don’t know what this came from - maybe too much social media, maybe watching too much true crime or reading about male violence statistics for years - but whatever the case, why the hell would I want to talk to someone like that? I don’t, and I never will. I don’t even get that vibe from the craziest homeless people I’ve encountered in parks.

@Princess Arabia I wish you were right but this is a super, super liberal area, which I represent and think is cool - so I constantly just get the vibe they generally hate most men and are cat ladies in training. But if you’re a guy with money, you’re the exception. I appreciate their intelligence but it’s an extremely negative atmosphere. I’ve seen a man approach a woman to ask for her number only one time in the last five years, and I go out to bars and coffee shops every week. It’s pretty much something that is shunned here because it’s viewed as creepy - which I whole heartedly agree with, and would never do - But going back to your comment, I wish it was that easy.

@Princess Arabia Yeah, I do live near a very rich city, that might be the problem. If you don’t meet the cut of visually having wealth, women act like you basically don’t exist here.

@Natasha Tori Maru I appreciate this take on it, that I’m being reductionist. That is a little true. But, you have to admit that overall I’m correct - this won’t GUARANTEE anything, but getting a lot of money improves any guy’s chances in dating 150%. That’s how the game works

@aurum This is true! Go outside and try to even talk to a girl right now. Unless you drive a Lambo up to the coffee shop, she’s going to ignore you and glare at you for even trying. Then, when you walk away she’ll report you to the front counter and you’ll get kicked out.

@Natasha Tori Maru I’m not terrified of women, I had several relationships a few years ago. But yeah, it’s not a limiting belief if it’s true - almost all women only value men for the money they provide. Which is a time-tested, winning approach to relationships in my opinion. I think women should work if they want in a long-term partnership, but they also go through so much physically and mentally if they possibly have a kid or two, there should be the option for them to quit work at any point and it wouldn’t make a difference. Growing up, I saw families who gave the wife this option, and those who didn’t. Pretty much all the former marriages survived while the latter ones exploded.

@aurum That’s a good point, I actually really like this strategy. Low stakes, feeling it out slowly over time. It still doesn’t solve the problem that almost all women today will not even interact with somebody unless they have visible status - nice car, artificially white teeth, expensive clothes etc. - but it is a good idea.

@Salvijus Not 1% but be honest, if you’re not in the top 10-15% income bracket you’re going to be treated like garbage in the relationship. Because that is the man’s purpose, is to bring in money.

@aurum You mean if dating is “impossible” before then. I agree, but if the self-deception has a positive outcome, it’s worth it.

@Natasha Tori Maru 1. I’m at the end of undergrad 2. 10 ish years from now, I will have a good-paying career which will allow me to enter the dating pool and pursue relationships I won’t entertain the idea of any connection with any woman before then because it is fruitless self-deception. Wasting both her time and mine. If all Gen Z men were rational they would do the same - it would save them years of frustration.

@Natasha Tori Maru I’m not though, almost everyone in this thread is agreeing with me.

@Salvijus That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Any lazy dope can sleep with a woman, that’s the easy part, it really doesn’t matter.

@Princess Arabia I would date any woman who is nice, intelligent, and secure in themselves. I don’t care about looks at all - typically older women are the only ones who talk to me like a human, and even flirt with me occasionally. The only number I got last year was from an older woman who showed interest in me while we were walking our dogs. Not only do women in my gen not show interest in me, they actively avoid any possible interaction. They don’t treat me like a human at all. They would if I drove a Porsche or wore an expensive-looking suit, I guarantee it.

@something_else $270k is the new six figures due to inflation, specifically in HCOL cities like Seattle and New York.