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I would never bother to snort it. For longer duration I would experiment with rectal administration instead - no drip or discomfort. And much more accurate dosing. Otherwise I personally like the quick onset of smoking/vaporizing. I did around 11 mg first time and broke through on that. I think I was a bit lucky that I actually managed to use the pipe properly and get the whole amount. I recently got a Health Stone. I'd recommend one. It's ridiculously easy to use and very efficient. Freebase pipes are a hassle compared to it.

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No sourcing.. In regards to "normal dose". A friend of mine has done small doses after his 2 breakthrough experiences and they have been very intense. Much more intense than anticipated. So long lasting negative side effects could be traumatic experiences during the trip. After all it is a high intensity experience and with all intense experiences there's a chance of failure or trauma. But that's the case with other more daring ventures too.

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Yes I'd like to think that too - but look at Krishnamurti - I don't think he ever laughed for real or cracked a good joke. And in my view anyway I believe him to be very very far on "the path". Different types of people give their expression of the non-dual state. I personally like people like Nisargadatta that yell at people most of the time Anyway getting a bit off topic here. But I do believe it's good to have a small debate on Martin Ball's approach. After all he is kind of (or one of) the biggest 5meo authorities out there and it's reasonable to debate his approach and in that way correcting your own. And see where you trust his viewpoints or not. For myself I can say that I learned a lot from listening to him. The main point where I would differ is to place more attention on the process of meditation. I think it's in that combination - a daily intense meditative practice coupled with shorter and longer retreats - that 5-MeO-DMT would really make sense. Otherwise it has the potential to be just amazing experiences more than deeper cuts that yields in an already ongoing process. A process that would be most beneficial if you'll be able to reach the non-dual territory without 5meo. Doing 5meo too much without a fuckload of meditation on the side and the discipline and knowledge of the importance of that could easily squew your direction IMO. People are generally very naive in their view on how much work and how many hours you have to put into the process every day IMO. If you wanna play the violin in a way that you can fully express yourself through the instrument you gotta fucking practice for the life of you - fully knowing your mind, same. (IMO)

Being able to enter the non-dual way of experiencing without 5meo is more than one could ever dream of and is a big achievement. Even if it's just glimpses. Having sustained periods of time there even more so. Being fully enlightened - having the non-dual experience 24/7 seems like to be reserved for the Mozarts of spirituality - maybe that will look different in some hundred or thousand years, who knows. If you wanna call not giving a fuck if you're experiencing through your ego or from the non-dual perspective being liberated, be my guest. I'd just call it "generally not giving too much of a fuck which state you are in" - but it's not being fully enlightened - in my view anyway. Like the way having absolute pitch and not giving a fuck if you miss a note here and there is not having absolute pitch.

I did 25ug ALD-52. It was mostly annoying. Got a slight buzz or jittery feeling and a bit of disorientation without any obvious improvements. Wanted to try where the limit for a micro dose was - doing 12,5ug I felt no tangible effects - which is good for a regular micro dose I guess - so that's why I went for double to see.

So very nice@JustinS I can relate in many ways. How some - granted few - people have made it all the way through the layers and come to the same place without 5meo is beyond my comprehension. The amount of work one needs to put in to get to a place where it's possible to crack in the same way seems crazy to me and I have huge respect for those who do did it.

I have been searching for an atomizer to do the job. This would be the perfect way of doing it (if smoking/vaporizing) IMO, since you skip the danger of open fire or hot glassware. It's portable and relatively stealth. And if you dial in the technique it should be less prone to burning the material. It seems though that many atomizers create some leftovers and with 5meo it's not good not being precise with dosage and having build up material. There's feedback from a guy on DMT nexus that he is using a Mr Bald T with great success with no apparent issues. I'm gonna give it a go and I'll also check out a Terra 2 atomizer.. Would be great with some more experimenting and feedback on this..

@Barna -That sounds like a good preparation. I'd say for me though, my first 5meo experience. The first 5 minutes was so strong that any preparation seemed irrelevant. Surely my whole life has been some kind of preparation. But even that seemed overruled. I was just thrown into a space with immense fear, disorientation and intensity. It was very overwhelming and my sense of that I could do something about it was completely ripped away too. I hear the saying "relax and just let go into the experience" being thrown around a lot when it comes to 5meo. For my first 3-5 minutes I had absolutely no choice of doing anything. You can say I relaxed into fear and disorientation because there was nothing I could do. But it was not relaxing out of choice rather just being overwhelmed. I think this is something people have to take into account also with 5meo. The speed of how it takes you from your normal self to complete infinity or other landscapes is so freaking fast that I think everybody can end up in dreadful moments and my feeling is that you somehow have to accept that if you wanna work with 5meo. If one is lucky enough to steer around some of the more darker experiences well more power to them. But this is in my experience something that can bring even the toughest or most ready to their knees.

@Afonso Sure - but I guess quite a few people work with 5meo that way or something in that direction.. After all it's not your basic party drug but more geared towards the spiritual crowd - in lack of better words. I think having calm mind entering the experience is very good and also doing some bodywork, dancing, sex or what ever that makes you more loosened up. That being said, for myself I didn't notice that big of importance of how my state was going into the 5meo experience. 5meo ripped everything apart so I could have been doing riverdance or 5 hours of mantra-singing, 5meo doesn't give a fuck. I'd still prepare myself as good as I can anyway.

Thanks, v@bobbyward I'm a bit surprised though. I haven't seen these kind of doses mentioned or recommended anywhere. The info on plugging 5meo seems limited anyway but the doses I have seen people experiment with have been nowhere near the 70 mg range. I had the impression that plugging and snorting would be in the same area dose wise but it seems people blow their socks off with 30 mg already with snorting. You mentioned you did 25 mg freebase smoked/vaporized right? I'm pretty sure that would be a overly insane dose for me since I react intensely from 10 mg. So I might not need 70 mg plugged and I guess it would be rather foolish of me to jump from 33 to 70 just from one recommendation although you may very well be right.

33 mg (HCL) plugged: relatively mild. But more pronounced effects than first try, 20 mg. Quite a bit of "sea-sickness" and physical unease. I don't see why one would mess around with smaller doses with this ROA. Of course for safety and to work your way up. I'd say that is mandatory. But lower levels seems to induce physical discomfort, for me at least. As a whole it seems like inviting a beast over for dinner that you know will eat the dinner - and you, but only letting it stay in the hallway.

So guys and girls, what is your experience with 5meo and gender? I have personally been drawn to share the experience with other guys - kind of a bromance thing. Not that I wouldn't share the experience with a woman - I'd love to. It's just been more of a guys thing for me until now - where we sit around like the yopo guys on the video.. (not quite but almost). What is your experience? Have you noticed different effects in men & women?

Jesus fuck you guys are rambling This thread is on 5meo - not the fucking theory of everything and nothing. Anyone have some recent experiences to share? Maybe some 5meo up the bum?

Guys get a grip - this is a thread on hard drugs

25mg freebase vaporized - then you're a bit of a hardhead I cracked at 11/12mg.. Thanks for the input - plugged seemed promising though - just a bit more expensive if one needs >30mg

How did they consume it? I heard Dennis McKenna mention on Joe Rogan that about 3% don't react to psychedelics (or was it tryptamines ). I have witnessed a few people being hard to crack but I still find it almost unbelievable that most wouldn't crack with 20/25mg vaporized effectively..

Wow, 70mg HCL. Yes 20mg seemed very light for me - I sensed that next step would be 30 mg. But maybe eventually more judging from your experience. 25mg freebase - plugged or vaporized?

Plugged 20 mg (HCL). Very mild effects. Not in any way close to a full blown experience. Just mild body & emotional sensations..

Thanks Psychonaut :-) As for the other subject - I don't buy into "the ego resists the energy therefore no effect". Surely you can fight it but if a person does not feel any effect from let's say 20mg freebase effectively vaporized then it's more likely to be some kind of tolerance to the substance more than something to do with ego, IMO. Take him for a spin with 20mg vaporized and see how he responds

So you use 30mg (minus 5-10mg) for a break through dose?

I think it's great to point out the recreational aspect as well. Right now the stigma is so strong that you kind of have to defend the use of psychedelics as being for serious spiritual work (for those who are willing to see that as a serious project) or treatment oriented. The recreational aspect is important too and can be approached much more intelligently with psychedelics than alcohol for example.

There's a stigma on DRUGS that will continue to prevail for a long time. Much fear and lack of knowledge blended in with a understandable natural respect. And it's so much easier to park the whole area at a good distance from oneself and just have the attitude of "that's bad" - or even more refined "it's not natural". Everything is a part of nature - even the most synthetic substance. Humans are a part of nature and everything we create is a part of nature. Of course we can navigate and specify if things are naturally occurring or synthesized but to say something is "outside of nature" is the same as saying that there's something outside consciousness. Everything is a tool. A pizza is a tool. You can use it wisely or not. AL-LAD is a strong tool. 5meo - a very strong tool. More people probably die from the use of pizza than from AL-LAD and 5meo combined - although having a good time on the way More people probably get into mental difficulties using AL-LAD/5meo. It's all about navigating. And being open to all possibilities. The minute you think you figured it out existence will fuck you over and say "yea buddy that might be true but THIS is also possible".