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Bohm and Krishnamurti inquired deeply into the nature and limitations of thought. Lots and lots of links out there. Here are the seminal 12 dialogues:

The author and anthropologist Ernest Becker theorized fear of death is the fundamental driver of human behavior, influencing everything from individual personal goals to collective cultural and societal structures. Makes sense onto me! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Becker

Per your worldview, does the future exist? Yes-ers: In what way does it exist? No-ers: How explain precognition?

I think it's fair to say any absolute conclusion you come to about anything is a form of self-deception. "Open your mouth and you're wrong."

No past No future No present No analysis No control Rest – Tilopa

@Princess Arabia Resonates, well said. :-)

@Ishanga I love the idea of sentient entities (which for me means: everything) being the sense organs of the Universe, the 'feelers' used to experience all the nooks and crannies of existence. The greatest perk of this view imo for us humans, especially the quasi-nihilists among us is this: Our experience matters, we matter, there is purpose to our thoughts and actions.

@Ishanga Are there any precognitionistes in the house, we need your expert insider information!

@Princess Arabia You had me at 'play'! Maybe the future is not what its lay definition paints it as? Native American rituals are often in sacred time, where past, present, and future are felt to co-exist. Not just metaphorically, but really. Perhaps they've got it right, they see what we miss? Or perhaps it's fairy tales all the way up, all the way down. How would we know?

Pure being is definitely down there near the core of the onion. (Do onions have cores?) It may be the closest humans get to experiencing the Absolute. But there also may be layers 'beneath' pure being, layers for which there are no words or images or ideas.

I wanted the exploration to be open, not limited by biases of this or that level. All level biases welcome! ;-) I am open to the possibility that the future can be experienced and not just in a faux way as projection. Reality is strange, perhaps unfathomable.

@Princess Arabia It's the infamous level confusion! ;-) Person A is speaking of/from the relative level, person B from the (as-if) absolute level. I agree absolute-ly regarded 'time' is meaningless. But I don't know if this is theory or actuality, the absolute truth is not available to me (cognitively).

@Princess Arabia My feeling is projection plays a key role in precognition, but the future may exist in some way and be available to some people via mental time travel. I have no proof other than believable accounts that are hard to explain as pure projection. I like the depiction of the precognition that Paul Atreides experiences in the Dune books: Paul’s precognition is not a simple ability to see a singular, predetermined future. Rather, he experiences multiple possible futures, a phenomenon described as seeing through a "web of time." His visions are fragmented and kaleidoscopic, showing him various potential outcomes of events. This grants him insight into what might happen based on the choices made by him and others. – GPT

@Princess Arabia Assuming like you said there is no future, how would you explain precognition?

@Atb210201 Seth is the entity channeled by Jane Roberts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjyEhWoIAu8

Sounds like you were shuttling between alternate universes! Cool. Have you read Seth Speaks? Seth talked about inhabiting multiple realities.

Have you personally experienced the timeless realm? The closest I've gotten is flow. And contemplation. And psychotropic drugs.

Are you talking a block universe where all of time coexists?

@Jannes My feeling is our subjective experience is as real as it gets for us, but there is an ultimate Reality beyond experience. This sums things up well for me: We can't experience Reality, but everything we experience is Reality. This make (non)-sense?

@enchanted From what I found online apophenia involves connections and patterns. Apophenia : the tendency to perceive a connection or meaningful pattern between unrelated or random things (such as objects or ideas). Apophenia was borrowed from German Apophänie, itself from apo- (apo-, meaning "away from" or "detached") and phänie (-phany, meaning "appearance, manifestation"). – Merriam-Webster Every word is a poem!

You think anything 'underlies' experience, a truth-reality manifesting as experience?

@JannesExplain what you mean by qualia as all-encompassing absolute?

New word for me, thanks! Thing about 'apophenia' is that, go deep enough, and everything *is* related and connected to everything 'else.'

@Jannes God is the totality (immanent) and its transcendence (beyond). What you think God is?