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Thank you. Logic to the rescue.

It’s not that big of a coincidence. It’s literally a concentric triangle. That’s probably a very common design. Why don’t you look into how long that logo has represented pedophilia. Actualized.org has been around for over ten years so which came first? Also what are those sources? Did you even look into them? Do you just believe everything you read on the internet without checking for yourself? I guess Delta, Adobe, Google Drive, Reebok, Mitsubishi, Citgo and others are all run by pedophiles since they have triangles in their logos. Makes sense. Also please raise your hand if you’ve ever even heard of pedophilia having a logo. If it’s not common knowledge (which I highly highly doubt) how can you accuse someone for using something vaguely similar. That’s absurd.

@Danioover9000 lol wat. Been watching actualized.org since 09/2016. I’m actually low key a huge fan of Leo. I just happened to agree with Mr Adeptus on this particular point. Pretty sure I don’t have a mental illness and don’t see what that has to do with what I said. Why don’t you actually address my points instead of claiming valid criticism is clout chasing drama and slander. With those words Leo will always be above criticism which would be a big problem. There is such a thing as valid and constructive criticism. Not everyone agrees on what that looks like but just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it should be ignored. What clout could Takoyaki possibly be chasing by posting on this forum? My overall point is that I like Leo and I look up to him, but just because that is true it doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with everything he says. There has to be some room for nuanced critique of certain inflammatory statements that, while True, still should be engaged without the deflection of “well you’re just not awake enough” instead of genuinely contending with those points. That’s not mature or productive. It’s poor leadership.

@AdeptusPsychonautica I think many people would agree with Adeptus here in a lot of ways, and I believe he is providing very reasoned explanations for his stances that need to be genuinely contended with and not just hand-waved away as "trolling." That's a much bigger problem than whatever you think is problematic about his viewpoints. Practically speaking, survivors of the Holocaust and of child abuse cannot heal through the means described here, and have no room in their very broken hearts for loving the people who abused them, or seeing the whole tragedy as "Love." We should instead have compassion for them and offer them real support and guidance. Telling a Holocaust survivor that gassing the Jews was Love will simply be extremely hurtful and offensive, and will not contribute in any way whatsoever to their healing. I get that it is possible that that is the truth from an objective, Absolute perspective, but you have to meet people where they are at. Most people know love to be a feeling, not the substrate of the universe. So using that word in this way will confuse people and push them away from you. Even if what you say is True. As we all know 99.999% of our lives is not spent in the Absolute realm of Infinite Love. Therefore, we should focus our words and sentiments on the real lived experiences of people in the human realm, because that is more real to 99.999% of people than 5-MeO-DMT hyperspace. Sure, you can say your teachings are too advanced and what not, but that does not change the fact that your words can cause real harm to again, 99.999% of people who have never experienced God realization but who did in fact directly experience the Holocaust. And to act like this idea or similar ones is "trolling" feels to me like a pretty toxic response to "helping" people integrate tragedy and trauma. If you are going to say those fairly extreme things @Leo Gura (yes, I hope we can admit that saying "gassing the Jews was all Love" is extreme, and if we can't, I'm outta here) then I think it would be necessary to qualify your statements with some acknowledgements of these points. Because otherwise you are hurting more people than you are helping. And I would really appreciate you following up on your commitment to being more compassionate and empathetic in your interactions with your followers, and not just responding with the thought-terminating cliche of: "it is not worth my time to try to communicate with you," when you haven't actually internalized or contended with or considered the validity of the criticism.

@Adam M That's awesome man! Sounds like things are going really well. Keep up the good work and namaste. I'm almost 28 and still feel like I'm sorting through a whole lot of mental sludge, bad habits, emotional reactivity and lack of control thereof, so it's impressive to hear such great progress at a young age.

I'd also like to add that consent does not apply in situations where a person is under the influence, of any drug. Even if they consent in that moment, they may not be making a conscious choice and once they sober up they may feel as though they were violated despite having "consented." They may not even remember having provided consent. That's sexual assault 101. Also @OBEler if all we're hearing is the perpetrator's side of the story (i.e. Martin), of course it is going to come across in his favor. He has all the power in that situation so no it is not okay for him to get people absolutely blasted on the most powerful psychedelic in the world and then do things to them under the guise of "they needed it." That's an abuse of power and in certain situations blatant sexual assault. If you watched that video and didn't come away from it with the conclusion that Martin was rationalizing abuse of his clients, then I really don't understand how you're conceptualizing this.

@OBEler You are correct, I have never had a breakthrough or even a taste of 5 meo.

@Leo Gura Have you heard of the book The Evolutionary Energy in Man by Gopi Krishna? This sounds a lot like what he experienced. Unfortunately it was years of hell that eventually calmed down to the point where he could live happily and led him to being a very awakened mystic poet. I hope you don't have to endure all of that suffering to get to the other side, but it might be worth reading to help ground yourself in someone else's similar experience. He was literally receiving novel's worth of mystical poetry in the form of light and he learned how to harness all of that energy.

Not to be a douche, but couldn't the fact that everyone's experience of 5-MeO-DMT is the same or very similar, coming to similar insights, using almost the exact same words to describe them, point to the nature of the drug and not of reality? That is, that the drug produces these effects due to the way it is, not because it unveils ultimate reality or something. I am open to the possibility that I am wrong about this, but I am just putting a completely logical thought forward.

@Heart of Space Don't know why people are disagreeing with you. You have some great advice. Sitting around tripping on acid to try to become enlightened at 22 instead of pursuing some career success in a strategic way is basically a great way to completely fuck up your life forever. It makes perfect sense to get your ducks in a row and set yourself up for a comfortable life. Not to mention this is pretty much Leo's advice for young people as well. To be fair if you are saying things like black people genetically have lower IQ than white people and anti-woman shit, than you might want to revisit those ideas and question where you got those ideas, your life advice notwithstanding.

When You Just Ain't Got It All Together

Hey all, 100% not trying to stir up controversy or drama here. I'm genuinely curious about the backstory of the Solipsism video that Leo chose to remove. I didn't see it or even know it had been posted until Leo's blog post that he deleted it. What was it about and what was the need for removing it?

@Danioover9000 @Siedah Gotcha, makes sense. It's just wild to me because I feel like it must have been up for like, what 12 hours? Less? It's hard to believe people had such an immediate and roundly negative response to the video, but alas. I'm sure it was for the best. But to be honest I'm still curious about what he says in there...

@Danioover9000 Let me clarify what I meant by the term "loser." I don't think someone who isn't having sex is automatically a loser. I'm referring to people who use their inability to get laid as a way to victimize themselves and demonize other groups of people, like women, or blame progressivism and LGBTQ+ activism. And then comingle in toxic communities like the Incels. That's who I'm calling losers. To be honest I don't have that much sex, at all. By my earlier general definition I would be a loser. I'm not saying sexlessness = being a loser.

@Tyler Robinson I curse like a sailor but pretty sure I don't have bipolar my dude. All of these examples you're pointing out are real-life instances. You've never hung out with Leo to see if he explodes at minor irritancies. How would you know he does?

@Leo Gura Could you do a video on this? I've struggled a lot with the temporary volatility aspect of tripping bleeding into my normal sober life and causing problems.

There is a time and place to use those words though, right?

The reason I brought that up was because that was (in my interpretation) the argument Leo was putting forward.

@EternalForest That sucks but I still don't see how teaching kids that there can be more than two genders causes a 25 year old loser to not know how to get laid. Just get on Tinder or whatever and find someone. Go to the club, talk to girls. If you have something to offer then it should be possible. If you have nothing to offer then work on yourself until you do. Looks, money, confidence, whatever it is these guys are lacking it's not the fault of trans education and opening society up to this possibility for their lack of sex, again--in my opinion. I believe that it's because these dudes don't even try to get laid, or they don't know how to try. Maybe they should educate themselves on how to attract women instead of blaming women for their sexlessness. Also, if you look at the incel community, I'm pretty sure their problem is with women not having sex with them, not trans rights. Again, I just don't see the connection between LGBTQ+ stuff and incel ideology. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but it's not immediately clear to me. Also, we need to normalize that not having constant sex is totally fine. I went two years in my early 20s without having any sex at all. It was just because I was a bit shy and insecure and sex wasn't my priority. There's nothing fundamentally wrong about not having access to sex on a regular basis. It's what makes getting it all the more of an accomplishment.

Are you potentially confusing correlation for causation? Just because there is an epidemic of incels currently, it does not mean that it is caused by progressive trans and other non-binary ideology, in my opinion. Even more, incels are usually how old--20-30 year old men, right? Well the trans and LGBTQ+ phenomenon in the way it is unfolding now is relatively new as of the last 5 years I would say, in terms of mainstream dialogue. The failure of boys to learn how to be men has more to do with the way their parents raised them 10-20+ years ago, not contemporary trans discussions and rights being afforded and LGBTQ+ education happening in school. I'm a 27 year old straight dude and pretty much all of my guy friends are in relationships or at the very least have had plenty of sex. I don't know where this idea of "epidemic of incels" is coming from, in the sense that epidemic implies a mass scale. I don't see this happening on a mass scale. And I don't see the causal relationship between uplifting trans folks and men not being able to get laid. Like honestly, what is the relationship? I would also propose that the reason the number of incels way outnumbers trans people is precisely because of an overreaction to the alleged boogeyman of LGBTQ+ rights and trans acceptance, and awkward neckbeard virgins looking for something or someone to blame for their inability to have sex. Nobody taught me how to get laid, it just sort of happened as a natural product of growing up and being in my early 20s at university. And any sane straight man would know that there is no one to blame for their lack of sex but themselves.

I'm also extremely curious about this, and how it is known to be Alien Love versus standard Infinite or Absolute Love. @Leo Gura please enlighten us. This is just too juicy and radical.

@Thought Art Awesome! Great tips. Thanks for the advice--I'll give it a shot.

I feel that if I sit to do contemplation, I would just enter daydreaming and mental games with myself. Is it best to pick a question I've asked and then focus on answering that question in a contemplation session? To be honest, I have never tried contemplation or self-inquiry, just basic mindfulness meditation. Would you recommend re-visiting Leo's videos about contemplation and self-inquiry?

I feel that I am not sure what spiral stage I'm in. I notice features of green and orange, but also some bits of maybe blue and/or yellow at the fringes? How can I definitively determine what stage I am at, or is this even possible? Is it the case that we are all necessarily a blend of various stages, and how useful is this exercise in self-assessment?