Matt23

Ya. Soitenly! Well... hmm... I'll start by saying I haven't dug deeply into his stuff so I'm no expert. What I think he's good at and what I appreciate about his work is... The creativity in his ideas, including the amount of ideas he has and his blue-sky thinking. He just seems to be an idea machine and is really good at thinking creatively, no-holds bar. Which I really appreciate. In principle, he seems to think holistically, ecologically, systemically, and sustainably, which I think is important. Like the way he thinks and his ideas seem to all have the notion of things working together synergistically and optimally and smoothly. I think he also seems to talk about a vision which is humanistic and an overall more enjoyable and loving place for everyone. Things I think he could improve upon and where I'm not so sold on his projects. He seems to be an "all ideas guy" and get lost in the possibilities etc., and not be totally grounded and knowledgeable in the practicalities in actually making those things happen. Like he talks about things like "whole cities where people wouldn't need cars and would use super-fast trains or conveyor belts" etc., but I've never really seen him discuss how he's gunna make that happen or what it takes to do that. Sort of the same line of thinking as the last point, he seems to have his vision down pat, but the how is missing. I reference an interview he did which sort of shows what I mean. I've also heard, from the same interview, that his project is hard to pin down, and I myself have kind of gotten that vibe. I guess the overall impression I get is that he's really good at imagining solutions to problems in the abstract, but that he's not great at delivering the practicalities in how it will be accomplished or data to show or actual things he's created. I don't doubt he's got some great ideas. I guess I just think that what he's offered so far is only the vision part and idea generation and design side of things rather than laying out how things will be made, addressing practical concerns, and following through with practical data or examples, etc. Like it sounds in his interviews, that he's selling sort of values, principles, and visions rather than tangible or practical results and things. Something along those lines. I dunno if I totally capture it, but ya, that is/was my sort of general, first-hand impression. And I dunno, maybe it's not totally accurate, but those were some of the things I felt irked by with him. Haha... sorry for the ramble. It's funny how it's easy to spit out shit when talking about things you don't like about something or someone, but the things you like about them often, perhaps, don't get as much attention. Didn't mean to rip him up. I think he's well-intentioned, has an idealistic spirit, great innovative creativity, but maybe lacking on the "how" of things and giving tangible results and not making the A-to-B leaps people often like to see so that he shows people it's more than just dreaming. Like, if he spoke about one of his ideallic cities, but then actually went into some detail about a strategic plan about how it's possible to do with numbers n' data to support it, then I think I'd feel a bit more optimistic about his stuff.

What do you mean by this? When I heard Jung's way, the first thing that came to mind was A) he's talking about something other than the Self in terms of enlightenment, then B) maybe he means using shadow work as a way completely integrate yourself such that you have no more baggage and can see reality more clearly or something like that. I'm still not too sure, nor am I sure what he means by the Self in his terminology.

Ya, I think one part of me intuits that, and I'm probably learning lots just from listening to him via osmosis. But I guess I'm sort of trying to get basics covered and, I dunno, going deep with the kind of stuff he talks about doesn't seem like a totally wise move. Not saying there isn't value still, just that maybe not focusing on him atm is best. I dunno. Something like that. Also, I'd recommend The Stoa. They host Daniel and other like-minded (tier-2) thinkers as well and you can ask them questions in Q&As often. They host zooms. Even Shinzen Young, Daniel Ingram, and Frank Yang were on at one point. Pretty sure they have a session(s) with Frank Yang and Daniel Ingram together in convo. Stealing the Culture with Dialogos: Awakening w/ Daniel M. Ingram, Michael Taft, Frank Yang, and Evan McMullen. February 22nd @ 8:00 PM ET. Patreon event. https://www.thestoa.ca/

Ya, fair. I can remember watching him and jordan hall and some other guys in that circle speak and at one point it just seemed useless to me, like him speaking was just frying my brain and I wasn't really growing in any way, just getting blasted. I kinda got frustrated by it all because I felt he wasn't really offering anything that people could actually apply. Like most people only having dinner plates and he was tossing out entire turkeys to everyone... like awesome... but also like "Fuck... how the hell am I going to process all this stuff, and like it's a waste since most people listening aren't in any position to be taking action or considering such things." Like, I don't see the most optimum use of the average person's time and effort being global systemic risk n such. But it sounded like fancy tier-2 thinking so I listened Though, I think in other videos he speaks about making the Consilience Project something doable for most people. Like offering basic epistemic concepts like steelmaning, checking one's own biases, and adequate 3rd pp reasoning. But I dunno, maybe that stuff is over people's heads too. Though, I suspect that most people can understand it, but the issue is more of people not wanting to. Like for me, I can understand this stuff and apply it, but I don't because I feel I need to take like a degree in this stuff to really do it properly, and I'm just trying to solve family, emotional, and financial issues at this point.

I think being as honest as possible is a good start. Also, it might take time to develop meaningful relationships, and you will probably have to put in effort to make it happen. Positive interactions = foundation of a friendship, but not what takes it above and beyond. Vulnerability. Consistency.

I'm interested to see how Daniel's Consilience Project goes. I imagine it being something quite novel, informative, and aesthetically well developed.

Oh ya, totally me too. I wouldn't consider myself a forum guy at all. I don't really foresee myself making any long-term, satisfying, or fulfilling relationships online. But I find lately with pandemic and just where I am, meeting peeps is kinda not ideal. Also, I'm interested in exploring other peeps/ideas/topics that don't have an actualized bias to them and to just explore the world without necessarily traveling etc. (which I would do but it isn't exactly the most capable thing I can do at the moment). Like exploring idea space to get more diversity.

Wondering if anyone has any other forums they've found? I prefer more positive, truthful, mature, helpful, or "high consciousness" ones as possible. Rather than simply bullshitting, name-calling, gossiping, arguing, etc. Any topic I would be interested in exploring.

If your into exploring MBTI more, I'd suggest looking into these folks: https://www.youtube.com/user/DaveSuperPowers, https://www.objectivepersonality.com/ They basically took MBTI and are trying to apply the scientific method as rigorously as possible to it to see what they found. Basically, they've found 512 subtypes from something like 2000-2500 people they've typed over the years. They type by doing 1 person between the two of them, but they each type the person in separate rooms, then go through a checklist with specifically defined terms (like "intuition" meaning something precise, rather than something with vague definitions as many typologies have). I think they say they both get the same type from the 512 types like 80-90% of the time. So it seems to be the most accurate typology system out there. I think their opinion on MBTI is something like "Ya, sure, there's some truth in there. Is it scientific? No. Is it objective, comprehensive, and really accurate most times? Not really, but that doesn't mean people don't get use from it." Their ultimate goal is to get enough data from using their system to show the scientific community that they are actually tracking something objective, and then have the scientific community take their system and do their own research.

https://simonsinek.com/find-your-why/

I hear you saying "Can people still struggle with things in life and work to improve those things without it having to label 'healing'? Like perhaps instead of 'healing' one could say 'personal-development'." True? If my interpretation of what you said is accurate, the first thing I sense from that statement is some sort of dislike or not wanting the label of 'healing' as you don't like the connotations you associate it with. True? I guess I would say you could call "it" whatever you want to call "it". "It" being something like growth, development, healing, improvement, reaching one's potential, etc. What is the core issue you're seeking to resolve?

@Dunnel I'm going through a period of high emotional suffering and thoughts of suicide as well. I can understand you're situation at least in terms of thinking about suicide and wanting it. It's amazing how many people are suffering these days. I wonder if it's always been like this.

Heavy veggie diet... leafy greens... rice not so much... buts and seeds, but not too many... some fruit... little sugar fosho and little carbs (no brain fogginess)... starches = ok, haven't noticed anything too bad... no dairy, though, I wonder how I would feel reintroducing some... avocados fosho a gooder... I'm veggetarian for several years now, and half a year ago started eating meat again for like a week or so and got MASSIVE brain fog and just like this brain/cognitive foggy/distraction thingy. I stopped and it went away.

"1% improvements every 3 months." "Set the bar so low that you can make it on your worst days." "If, rather, WHEN you have a shitty day, week, or month, it's ok since you're looking for that tiny improvement in the long-term AND you've set the bar so low that you can't fuck it up." Even if it's a super easy thing to do, simply having that thing to check of a list helps psychologically. "Oh, you're gunna sit on your ass all day eating junk food? Ok, put it on the list, but make sure you do it." Honestly, I've taken this advice and I feel it works well for me since, even just doing 5 minutes of meditation in the morning and 10 pushups in the day feels soo good, like an accomplishment. It also adds up over the long-term. "10 pushups everyday for a year is better/more than 100 pushups a day for a month."

Fuckin dude. Started... was like "Ah shit... can't take it." Turned the video off... then was like "Fuck... I can't not watch it."

@DocWatts Also consider that, if he was impeached, then his followers might have retaliated even stronger and become even more entrenched in their views and negative behaviors. This acquittal might have diffused quite a bit of turmoil. Perhaps. Of course we never know.

Recently I've been reading Wallace Wattles' book Science of Success... I found that this type of self-help, success, motivation book has tended to really inspire me. Creativity wise... Create things... even small things. Read new stuff. Look at new movies or pieces of art. Watch documentaries. Psychedelics. Contemplate. Change your routines. Increase contrasts in your life. Sex. Lean into fears.

Hahaha he looks so plastered. The one eye squintier than the other = dead give away.

I dunno if I've ever interacted with a master, but... Daniel Day Lewis playing Bill The Butcher in Gangs of New York. (also him in There Will Be Blood). Michael Jordan highlight reel: one particular layup I have in mind (but basketball mixtapes in general I can really find some superb moves that blow me away). Robert Bateman's nature paintings. Soooo freakin realistic and beautiful. ... comes to mind.

Daniel Schmachtenberger, a stage yellow thinker i believe, made a nice caveat to consider when participating in activism. It's something like (and I'll probably miss the point here) make sure your activism doesn't come back and bite you in the ass. Like, being an activist might create enemies which, later on, may simply propel the very thing your fighting against. He doesn't disagree with it i don't think, but he mentions something about considering the whole, otherwise if you create division, the parts you've cast outside your domain of concern could come back and create issues for your cause. Perhaps it's something like fighting to end deforestation and against those chopping down trees. But those people doing the chopping don't like you because you're taking away their very livelihood. So now you got enemies. I appreciate this perspective since it shows a nuanced view of things and tried to take into consideration everyone and the whole. Seems like a more effective, sustainable, and smart way to go about making the change you want as well.

@Twega Would you say that the book has brought new info and insights to light? I've had this notion that the book may be simply rehashing all what Leo talks about and nothing really new will come from it.

@blackchair Glad to hear it Here's another one I missed which I think is pretty credible. I say so since Bonnitta Roy took it and I see her as being someone at the top of the game in terms of transpersonal psychology type stuff. https://learn.edu/consciousness-and-transpersonal-psy/ She also has some stuff online if you're interested. Interesting person.

Have you searched the web? https://www.ciis.edu/academics/graduate-programs/integral-and-transpersonal-psychology https://www.sofia.edu/psychology/matp/

Do what excites and motivates you. Do what brings you joy and love. I didnt't read most of what you wrote, but i get the sense that, probabky similarly to me, you're overthinking it. Explore and exleriment. You'll find your way.

You might like Joe Fresco's work: The Venus Project. Personally, i think there are some flaws with his stuff and mission, but you might gain some insights and lessons fron studyi g his stuff as it seems related to your stuff.