Matt23

Mmm... maybe some... but also true. I get what the o.p. is saying. Just because projection is occurring doesn't mean the qualities projected dont also exist in the one being projected upon. I could be projecting greed and arrogance onto Trump, and lo and behold Trump is also greedy and arrogant. Both are true. Ken Wilber wrote about this. He said something like if you find yourself abnormally irritated by someone, you're probably projecting onto them AND that that person probably has those qualities your projecting. So it acts like a double hit of shit you dislike. ... a shit sandwich if you will ? Hell, even Leo has said this stuff about himself. I dunno... the o.p. sounded reasonable to me. Balanced. Not unhinged etc. I wouldn't immediately wave it off as just projection.

What's PMO?

Panic? No. Concern? Yes. I don't know how they judge this "doomsday clock". But I'm guessing it's just a subjective thing. So, if that's the case, then it may simply reflect the level of concern of the people who oversee this "clock". Ya, I think concern is valid. While also holding that we truly don't know if we're getting closer or further away from nuclear threats. It's all guess-work in the end.

Dude, there's obviously big differences in psych wards within even the same country, let alone different countries.

Mmm.... I mean they are close cousins. In my mind, philosophy has a bigger conceptual or mind component to it. Perhaps more of an emphasis on the knowing and wisdom part. Actions and knowing. Maybe closer to contemplation whereas spirituality may be closer to meditation. Western. Wisdom. Whereas spirituality to me feels more like flowy and nebulous. More moving by intuition. Less mind, more body. Closer to something like wu-wei. More energy-type stuff as opposed to cognitive stuff. Eastern. Love. ... Again, I think they are close and can overlap lots, but these are the associations I make. I'm sure others see and feel differently as well.

lol .... I wonder if there is Jesus porn out there. There probably is. Porn tends to have all the niches imaginable covered.

What about the art it creates? Some of that is pretty badass, even though I've heard it is "guided" or w/e. Still amazing. I've also heard of an experiment where they took an AI, got it to compose a piece of classical music. They then took a bunch of people into a theatre, played the AI generator piece of music and a piece of music composed by a real person, but didn't tell the audience which was which. Then they had the people guess which one they thought was AI generated. The majority guessed that the AI generated piece was composed by a person since it had more "spirit" in it. Pretty crazy stuff. And I'm sure it will just get better and better exponentially... as they say anyways. Defs technical jobs it will be more efficient etc... I wonder if this will quicken the pace towards less jobs for humans.

Check out Gene gebser's work. The whole "magic,mythic," thing came from his philosophies.

Absolutely nothing. Never said there was. All I was saying was that it's possible for reading and studying to become a distraction. And to watch for it by listening to your body, and not override your body's signals by believing information intake and studying are absolute goods. Nothing more. Nothing less. It was basically a word of caution since I found myself slipping in this regard and think others probably could benefit from hearing it. If you genuinely feel great reading... go at it. Just don't go so far into it that you end up using it as a way to distract from other important things in life.

Recently I've been abstaining from YouTube binging. I've found a pretty immediate shift. It's as if the energy I used intaking information on YouTube was diverted towards creating things. Highly motivational and works well (for me anyways) to actually produce more things. In the past few days I've sort of tried to take this a bit further in not reading or studying so much. I've been listening to my body more as to what feels best, and have noticed that sometimes when I feel an almost addictive impulse to read, I feel a little bad. Like I should just be contemplating life, or at least not reading and maybe just Being more. This leads me to believe that reading and studying can become a huge distraction and obstruction to a quality life. A creative life. A meaningful life. Be careful; anything can be turned into a distraction. Listen to the signs and feelings your body is constantly throwing up at you. It's as if it takes constant attention. Moment-by-moment. Be like this: I have wondered if this approach is "too much". Too much "reacting" to bodily feelings. Do you think so? What do you think is the appropriate way to both listen to your body's wisdom while also creating schedules and plans? Do you think one is more optimal? How would you incorporate both?

Philosphy: love of wisdom I think the purpose of philosophy is... hmm... one part of figuring things out and knowing. Another part is living wisely and optimally, and this part I think is associated with loving life. This is probably not thought out too far, and coming from things I've heard probably... but the ol' True, Good, and Beautiful come to mind: to know truth (epistemology, metaphysics), to be good (ethics), and see beauty (aesthetics). ... seems comprehensive. What's the synthesis of these though? Love? ... joining together... wholeness... a comprehensive wholeness... a loving wholeness... hmmm... am using my felt-sense to figure out what feels more true as i write. What's the purpose of philosophy? To live as happy as you can? To ascertain the most positivity one can from life in total.

Ease off on the info and entertainment intake. Including any busy work, forum stuff, etc.. Create more silence and just Be, and Listen.

Ya... I get sociopathic/manipulator vibes from Teal. Something just not on par and like she's got alterior motives n stuff. ... I just don't trust her. Sure, Leo can be harsh, brash, and insensitive. But at least he's clear and straight up.

Lol. When I clicked this thread, I imagined a dark and cold room with half naked men with beards freezing their asses off, pushing through the pain in hopes of psychic benefits. Struggle on. As my dad used to say to me when he clipped my nails and I would cry; "Pain is your friend!"

I literally use this forum for the majority of my news lol. ... I've never been a "news junky" or that into it. But... allsides.com is a great website that gives news from the political left, center, and right to give you more balanced consumption. I think it also has like breakdowns of each news article in terms of biases, common information warfare and propaganda tactics, etc.. There's many other like it given in a "Sensemaking Companion" Rebel Wisdom gave out.

Lol. ... though... I also fear some people take this stuff to heart lol. Oi..

Awesome. Nice stuff errybody

Lol "Separate entirely" Just noticed it goes from Nurture -> Neglect -> Inspire -> Separate... quite the ying yang.

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Obviously this makes sense... though maybe a fine line. I suppose you could doubt the source of that 5%... I dunno how they came to it etc.. But anyways... Rebel Wisdom did a video piece on these issues and cited evidence that many people who transitioned experienced regret and were trying to go back. I want to say they were more adults... but I dunno. I'll try to find the video and post it. Again, I super don't know, but what I heard from the rebel wisdom piece made me think that what they were talking about was legit. But, if the 5% regret is accurate, and accurate throughout their life, then ya... sure. Even comparing it against people who never got the surgery yet feel transgender would be a better analysis to see what, in general, the effects are of getting surgery or not. Then we'd have a way better idea of what we're dealing with in terms of psychological effects. Then obviously there's the issue of governments paying for it etc. (Like here in canada) with taxpayers money, but not paying for things like prescription glasses, dental, and other stuff like that. Seems we gotta do the fairzees game... and I'm not saying I know what's fair etc. Just that that needs to be considered in the big picture of prioritizing where taxpayer money goes. Like, if they find that feeling transgender and not getting surgery is worse for a person's psychological and physical well-being than not having prescription glasses or dental work, then ok, I might be more on board with that. Not saying proving that is at all easy, just saying that'd probably be the move to make if you're trying to decide whether to subsidize procedures via taxpayer money and make sure fairness and equality is at play. Use "Fix the most detrimental issues that affect the most people" as your axiom and go from there. Though, I'm sure lots of other stuff is around this debate and it's sensitive.

I don't think minors should be allowed to transition... chemically/hormonally. If a boy wants to wear dresses and lipstick and go by the label "girl" or a female name, etc and pretend to be a girl, that's fine. But I don't think it's very responsible and is a bit drastic to be messing with young peoples' hormones etc. Let them fully develop and become independent adults. Also, there's interesting research indicating that gender dysphoria is very prominent in autism. They have been "finding" more people that are autistic in modern times... some think because of more knowledge and testing about it. I wonder if there is actually an increase in autistic traits, and thus gender dysphoria. One idea is that since autism is both a difficulty in "mentalizing" (i.e. understanding) others' internal experiences and one's own, it makes sense that a person with autism would have more difficulty in figuring out their own sexuality, gender, and orientation etc..

I would say this is overblowing it. The word "constant". There are many motivators for growth. Pain and suffering being, in my experience, one of the larger ones. And no, not all pain comes from lack of sex lol, that's just one slice of the pie of pain. I might agree or see your point in a more abstract, theoretical, and roundabout way if you're talking about sex being the prime motivator in an evolutionary sense. As in not ones felt or conscious sense of motivation, but a motivator that's so fundamental it is impossible to detect consciously since there is so much complexity and chains of causation that separate "the evolutionary mechanism of procreation" from ones conscious experience. So, like, basically everything comes back to sex, even desires and behaviors to be celibate arise from the sex impulse.... somehow. You chopping off your genitals comes back to sex. You walking your dog. You buying a video game. You reading the Bible. But even then.... I'd not 100% agree or be certain about that, but I'd find it more plausible than saying that people's primary/only conscious (or felt sense) motivator is sex. Can you clarify if you mean sex is people's only motivator or if it's simply their main motivator?

Daniel schmachtenberger Jordan Hall (in terms of 'masculinity' per se, there's something very grounding about him in his video interactions. Something like a solidity in virtue, an integrity and unbending and courageous value system) Jamie wheal Seth Godin... he seems like a cool cat Rich Roll Andrew Huberman John Verveake ... can't think of anyone mainstream. Peter Limberg, the guy that runs the Stoa The guy that made the movie 'The Social Dilemna'... Justin something? Rupert Spira Steve Nash (nba player) Dirk Novitsky (nba) And of course you can find examples of healthy masculinity all around in everyday life: moments. It's not like ervey guy out there is toxic most of the time. I'd say there's more healthy behaviors which you can see day to day. I was on a bud the other day and some kids were getting rambunctious and hitting each other and talking back to an old woman, a man eventually just spoke up and said "OK guys, cut it out!". Not that that couldn't uave been done by a female, but just as an example of what typically people associate with masculinity.

Hahaha lol. Ever consider becoming a book critic? But ya, I get it. I found his stuff kinda hard to decipher too. I dont think he's pompous though. Just sorta maybe out of touch with anyone who doesn't have a deeper understanding of mythology.

R.i.p green and blacks... my fav.