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I wish that was the overall consensus. It seems like that has shifted towards Palestine from the river to the sea. Both far left and far right are against the two state solution. The left accuses anyone in favor of two state to be "buying time for Palestinian ethnic cleansing." Meanwhile they push for a far less realistic and more violent one-state concept.

My understanding was this is why it wasn't seriously considered. If they are in good faith not insisting on it and being reasonable, then I'm for it. I'd have to read more into it. Lol, you're funny dude. Yes, because I'm under the impression they insist on right of return means that all two staters aren't serious. Genius level reasoning.

Starts at around 17 minutes, but this is an interesting discussion about Krystal Ball's contention that a Jewish state would always be a Jewish supremacist state. Prior to this, Norm Finkelstein challenges the use of the word Zionism as meaningless and encourages us not to use it because it has so many meanings to so many people, which I agree with. He then goes on to explain that a Jewish state is not inherently Jewish supremacist, though there is a majority population issue and open question. He also compares this to the UK being an Anglican state or Ireland being a Catholic state. He is more more nuanced on the issue than Krystal and many of you here.

The Arab peace initiative which insists on the right of return? Right of return = coded end of Israel Let's not beat around the bush. It's a poison pill. We could have leaders with courage to kickstart new peace initiatives directly with the Palestinians though in search of a two state solution. We need to stop this bullshit that the settlers have ended the chance for one. This is convenient for far leftists who hate the idea of Israel and want to see it destroyed under any circumstances. Israel has previously removed all settlers from Gaza. There are other solutions which don't require resettlement. There are many ways around that. Pushing against the two state solution only extends the conflict and makes it a toxic zero sum game, but leftists think they are doing something just and moral.

What a piece of shit this guy is....

This is a really good representation of how Israelis actually think IMO. This guy has actually interacted with and spoken to more Palestinians directly than 99% of people on the planet.

I agree with you. Israel is still operating under that same mentality and biting off way more than they can chew. For awhile it was war. Then it became a standstill. Neither side agrees to the terms of the other. They have an endless cycle of hurting another. Endless cycles of hate building. This is the tragic outcome.

Mischaracterization of history. Palestinians were not in the position to decide whether Jews came to the land or not. The British were. The Palestinians did not take this risk Lol. This is cartoonish. Jews came to the land to flee persecution, not as part of a political movement. They lived in relative peace. Later, a political movement shaped a new conflict, and a war ensued. Those are different circumstances. You can't say things would be the same before and after a literal war. Now you're trying to paint this picture like Palestinians themselves uniquely cared about welcoming Jews and in response they were destroyed. No. The British promised the Jews land there, there were negotiations for how to split it. Jews said yes to a minority of the land with no ill will towards Palestinians. Palestinians said no under any circumstances and launched a war. They lost. Jews have no unique hatred or resentment towards Palestinians. They just wanted a home and safe place to live. As for the Arab peace initiative, it is always the right of return that is the sticking point. I mean I'd agree with you that even without that the crazies in power in Israel today wouldn't agree, but I don't think that was always the case. I'd personally agree with you on 1967 borders and would be fine with it minus the right to return. Also certainly not everything Israel does is justified.

Yes, we also cannot know what would have happened. @Raze believes in this childish notion that the Palestinians or Arabs would never do anything to harm the Jews. They are perfectly innocent and do no wrong in every scenario. Jews, especially after WW2 will never take that risk. Nevermind that Arabs literally did ethnically cleanse the Jews from neighboring nations. But oh, that's okay because Jews from Europe did something bad Zionist blah blah. So then it doesn't count, right??

What does "simply stop occupying Palestine" mean? If it is no further expansion or greenlighting a two state solution, sure. But I don't think that's what it is. Also, Iran very openly declares they want to annihilate Israel. Those early Zionists weren't as centrally organized as they are today. You had different factions behaving in vastly different ways. As for Israel's demand for a Jewish state, this was part of a two state negotiation over at the time British land post WW2 where the most giant chunk of land was already given to Jordan. Within Palestine itself, the Jews had already agreed to less than half of the land, so then how were they demanding the majority of the country leave? That is just false. The Palestinians were only open to having 100% of the land, and so war broke out and they lost. What do you mean the two states I demand wants x,y,z? How do you know what I want? I believe there is a path towards two states, but its not commonly spoken about as an option. The cleanest idea IMO is to leave the settlers within areas designated as Palestinian land. There could be certain groups, both Palestinian and Jewish who live under each other's borders with dual citizenship and special status. The settlers could be part of that, but they would not be entitled to their own police force or security perimeter. They would live under Palestinian law. If they don't like it, they should move back to Israel proper. I think that is the simplest path forward.

That's because the Israelis believe that if the tables were turned they would be the ones ethnically cleansed. From the day the state was founded the goal was for the surrounding Arab states to invade and wipe out the Jews. Those same surrounding Arab states ethnically cleansed the Jews in their own nations, so this threat is not theoretical. Unfortunately it is a zero-sum game. Israelis and Jews in general hear "from the river to the sea" and take it literally. They are both fighting for survival, that is what is misunderstood. I'm not justifying genocide or the way this conflict has turned at all. I'm saying this "isn't that weird" perspective isn't really that weird at all. The British promised the Jews a state there, they negotiated for a two state with the other locals who had no sovereign nation there. They did not agree, a war broke out. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians left believing the Arab states would roll in and destroy all the Jews. They failed to do so. They tried again and again and again, they failed to do so. Now we want to act like the Jews there are just being paranoid and becoming increasingly hostile for no reason. Decades of this conflict has hardened each side. Neither side wants a one state solution which is inclusive of both parties. That is a pipe dream. Since neither side will agree to leave, it has become a zero sum game and fight to the death. This is the sad reality of the situation. The only other outcome which could save it is a two state solution, but even the leftists themselves have abandoned it. They want a one state solution called "Palestine" where Palestinians are the majority and magically everyone lives happily ever after. They are completely delusional.

This is a sincere question, but what is the value in understanding God or expanding your understanding of God? The reason I ask is because from all of these teachings, including yours the gist is that we are this one big non dual no thing expression of the absolute. And so then the purpose of this dream is to experience duality. We learn that the illusion is a feature, not a bug. Now I'm sure there are technicalities worth bickering about but if the essential purpose is to experience duality as an expression of God, then this idea can help us understand that we are all one and live more conscious lives. This becomes the value of the understanding and spirituality. So what does taking this to an extreme and trying to fully grasp or comprehend do for us really? It feels counter productive almost. We're supposed to experience Maya.

This is intellectually dishonest and you know better. We are talking about people saying there should not be a Muslim state, we're not talking about dictator governments. This is what is said about the Jewish state. That a Jewish state should not exist. Because they've already done it and succeeded. These nations are essentially only for Muslims and most others have been pushed out. MAGA exists today. There are countless crimes and actions being perpetuated by the American government today. Are all Americans being lumped in with that? No. Yet an Israeli restaurant in New York is boycotted and vandalized which has nothing to do what's happening thousands of miles away. Just because they have a connection to Israel. This behavior is encouraged and advocated for. Liberal Zionists both fight for the existence of the Jewish state and protest for the removal of Bibi, the removal of the settlers, etc. There is no approval. That much of their effort is wasted also litigating their right to exist is on you. Most of us don't have millions or billions of dollars to be a real factor in this conflict short of speaking with our people and trying to reason with them so that voting behaviors change.

What does that have to do with what I wrote? I never disputed the history of Zionism. I am specifically talking about how most Jews use the terminology and what their beliefs are. They do not believe in colonialism. They believe in a Jewish state. You missed the point again. It is antisemitic to single out the Jewish state. It's no surprise you didn't use the counter example of it not being Islamophobic to be against a Muslim state. It sounds absurd to read the words because they've never been expressed even though its the same thing. Its not irrelevant. This is both a religious and territorial issue. You're actively trying to reduce it to only a territorial one even though there's a huge religious component to it. I don't know why anti Israel voices need to pretend that the nation of Israel belonging to Jews in that territory is not a huge aspect of mainstream Judaic thought. You also smuggled in the term supremacist. Would you use the same terminology for those Muslim nations you defend? Despite not currently having any apartheid like situation they effectively function as what you would consider Islamic supremacy using the same definitions. Once again, it sounds stupid when the coin is flipped. Also you continually ignore my entire point which is to speak of how present day Jews use and think about Zionism. The pioneering zionists do not represent us much the same way the pioneering imperialists who conquered and founded any nations don't represent their current ideals. I agree with you here. That's why my plea is to stay focused on the primary issue, which is Palestinian subjugation. What ends up happening is that loaded terms like Zionism are demonized and the core issue gets buried under the rubble. My entire point was that if the focus was on Palestinian suffering you wouldn't have millions of Jews feeling like they are being singled out and attacked for simply believing in a Jewish state.

But like I said, most Jews equate Zionism to the belief in a Jewish state. Not colonialism, not ethnic cleansing, not jewish superiority, not greater Israel, not any of this other stuff. So when the attack vector is "Zionism" it pushes away many Jews who would otherwise fight for human decency. I feel like there needs to be another word for the truly horrific aspects of Israeli policy outside of the jewish state identity. Because having a religious or ethnic identity is common around the world. So you end up with many Jews rightfully calling this out as anti-semitism because it is the Jewish state being singled out. Then you have this bullshit that Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. They pretend that the land of Israel isn't integral to Jewish teachings or tradition. That because there's a tiny minority of Jews who believe that Jews shouldn't be in Israel now, but only after the messiah returns, that Judaism and the land of Israel aren't inherently linked. It's insane. Now I'm not saying that's a reason to take another people's land. And given the same scenario today, I don't think it would have happened or should have. But post WW2, it did happen. Now we want to make up bullshit and pretend the two don't go together. Western progressives at least need to come to terms with reality. Even the Palestinians have more of an understanding re: the Jewish connection to the land.

The outside world doesn't realize that Israelis are mostly educated to view all these wars as defensive and to be in the pursuit of peace. Much like how Americans are educated that all wars are for "Freedom" or "democracy." These governments all behave insanely, but Americans generally believe the nation represents a force for good in the world as an example. At least until recently.

Sorry, not my style. I'm not trying to be carnival character. Use humor and your words, you can be interesting without dressing and acting like a clown.

To most Jews Zionism is just the belief in a Jewish state. The demonization of that in present day society is one of the most extreme reactions I've seen. Equivocating that to Nazism, etc. There are 6-8 official "Islamic" nations. There are 23 nations where the official religion is Islam. There are millions and even billions who believe this should be the case. They are not designated Nazis. These nations all have histories filled with violence and conquest. I'm not excusing present day Israel's actions, and if there are initiatives to expand and take more land, we should call those out. But because of the roots of a movement 100 years ago, the two ideas have become interlinked. Colonialism and the belief in a Jewish State. Some say they can't be separated, but we would not apply that standard to any other country. If you are pro United States or believe in the country as a whole, no one would claim you are a colonialist. No one would say anyone with ties to America is pro ethnic cleansing because of the nation's history or even what they are currently doing around the world. Yet this is what happens today to anyone with ties to Israel. Now you may not agree with the idea of a Jewish state, and claim you apply that universally to all religious or ethno states. You believe in secular ideals, fine. Sure. But this ignores the reality of the world and the region. This is the holy land. This utopian idea, that if not for Zionism there would be one secular state. It is complete nonsense. Almost no one living in the region wants that, neither Israeli or Palestinian. The 2024 joint PCPSR/Tel Aviv University poll found: Palestinians 40% - two states 33% - one Palestinian-dominated state with limited rights for Jews 25% - one democratic state with equal rights Israeli Jews 21% - two states 42% - annexation/one state without equal Palestinian rights 14% - one democratic state with equal rights But there’s newer Palestinian polling. A 2025 PCPSR poll that explicitly made respondents choose among three alternatives found: 47% - two states 18% - Israeli-Palestinian confederation 12% - one state with Jews and Palestinians living equally 24% - don’t know/no answer. And Arab Barometer’s October 2025 polling is even more striking: 59% of Palestinians preferred two states, while one state was in the single digits. In Gaza specifically, support for two states was 64%. SO yeah, no one wants that. The Palestinians themselves would rather each side have their own ethno state with self determination, rather than this Western bullshit ideal that was projected onto the region.

Good job, dude. I think you figured it out but the magic aspect of it isn't as necessary as your state being dialed in. I think you could drop the magic and go for more simple direct approaches. Sometimes it is easier when you start by telling them you are interested in them. That way it doesn't feel as awkward when trying to go for the number. A simple "Hey, I just thought you were cute and wanted to say hi" works wonders.

Yes. You know who your best dating coach will be? Your next girlfriend. Because she will expose what a twat you are. (Not you personally.)

I have to level with some of y'all. You take this too seriously and are too deep down the rabbit hole consuming and following this PUA community content. I'm not saying its not useful to learn some pick up and game, but diminishing returns hit extremely fast here. 90% of it is just the push to do approaches. Another 5% are the basics of direct approach vs non direct. The last 5% are all of these specifics the dating coaches might impart on you. All of those little nuggets of knowledge, you can't really integrate them. Its too many small disconnected threads and competing ideologies. The only way to get better is to date and spend more time with women. Even more importantly, to spend more time improving and living your life. You aren't going to get better at game by consuming more of this content. Take the basic messages, then go live your life and develop your own style. Its like that old Alan Watts adage: when you get the message hang up the phone.

Completely agree about different styles working for different personalities. I don't think there's a one size fits at all. His name is Vadim btw, and if you've seen enough of his content you know that he's generally more fun and silly but he does have different gears where he can be more grounded and serious. He's had a ton of success. His channel is called Honest signalz because that is the main idea, to give off the right energy which honestly fits your character. I don't know why he doesn't post as much these days, but it appears he still does his boot camps, etc.

I don't like Todd V's style. He takes himself so seriously and is very rigid and boring IMO. This was the one game video I saw years ago that basically unlocked me. Once I realized I can just have fun with it and not take it so seriously I did much better.

I'm in a great committed relationship now but back when I was learning the ropes my top two resources were: https://www.youtube.com/user/honestsignalz Vadim has such a unique style that fit my personality of not taking oneself too seriously. I don't think there's one way to do things, but just watching him do pick up on the streets in his fun and goofy way unlocked something in me. https://www.amazon.com/Models-Attract-Women-Through-Honesty/dp/1463750358 The second one is this book from Mark Manson. It is a really mature take on dating and relationships. Notice how both of them focus on honesty and inner game. It really simplifies the whole thing. To summarize: focus on your inner game, self improve in every meaningful way such as career, clothing, hygiene, spiritually, etc. Travel, gain worldly experience. Do things that challenge you. You will gain competency and confidence which cannot be faked. Then be yourself takes on a different meaning, it just happens. That's your core right there. Then all you need are some basics when it comes to approaching. Choose a simple direct approach which Vadim teaches if you're learning. Simplicity really is key.