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Ok, and? We do this all the time for other fraudulent figures like Trump. This is true for all political discourse. Are all of the political channels harmful as well? I'm not familiar with it, shoot it over and I'll take a look. Literally his entire first video on her is just that. Arguments for how and why she is doing that.

For the same reason Marques Brownlee and Linus tech tips don't do videos on God Realization. What kind of a question is that? They have different areas of interest. He also did not "debunk" Sabine. He spoke about her more generally, espoused her as a good science communicator, showed examples of where she made great videos, and then explained what was problematic about her recent videos. As long as you are being fair and making coherent arguments, there is nothing wrong with being critical of someone else's work and challenging narratives. In fact, that's literally what Sabine is doing - she's being critical of the entire scientific establishment. The difference is, she has been essentially grifting and misleading around her anti establishment narratives to generate clicks, views, and revenue for her channel. Dave on the other hand is making an unpopular point, and jumping through hoops to thread the needle.

Professor Dave is right, both about her and Chris Langan. He does a good job of calling out the BS and rightfully pointing out that Sabine is milking sensationalist headlines and anti authoritarian talking points to appeal to a Russel Brand-esque audience. She gets views and money by doing this, but it's harmful and dishonest. Chris Langan is an even greater level of stupid. We need MORE people like Professor Dave, not less. His content isn't about spirituality or religion, though he's obviously atheist. I don't really think it matters. In the context of our physical world, he's much closer to understanding what's happening. Just because you accept that there's more than the material universe doesn't mean you aren't susceptible to massive loads of bullshit. On the net, content like Dave's is helpful. We need more critical thinking, and less sensationalism.

What does that have to do with what I wrote? You're literally exemplifying my point.

Yeah, there's many reasons to distrust the establishment - valid ones. The main problem is that we've jumped from the frying pan and into the fire. I think this is a natural response. When you're struggling and looking for answers, the instinct is to latch on to what you want to hear. I've experienced this in my personal life dealing with health issues. Doctors didn't help, and then found false prophets online to give me false hope with snake oil. You learn over time that while establishment figures are deeply flawed, there are even greater dangers lurking in the dark depths of the sea. Threading that needle is exceptionally hard. Knowing how to parse information and dig through wads of bullshit is a skill only a very tiny fraction of people have. But that should be the lesson here. This is a chance for masses to experience this and learn critical thinking skills. Instead, we use this opportunity to express our frustrations by justifying the clown show that is the Trump experience.

I despise Trump and would not vote for him, but what do you believe will happen which will directly impact your life to such a degree that you won't be able to be happy? Here's how I think it will directly influence us: - Rampant inflation: Trump will pressure fed to keep interest rates close to zero, as well as cutting taxes for the rich. You can profit from this by investing in assets during these bubbles. This is what I plan to do, no need to be miserable, take care of yourself. - Societal stupidity: This is the greatest impact in my life, when over half the population is duped by this propaganda it makes it very difficult to have a normal conversation. I will suffer from this, but I've accepted that there have been many eras throughout history like this, and it will pass eventually. - Supreme court judges appointed and democracy of our nation challenged. This one is tough, because these idiots will enact harmful policies for decades. Most of these policies will erode the education of our nation by empowering states to make dumb decisions. For this, you need to educate yourself and your children. You need to be more involved. The democracy side of things, that could be rough if we end up with more and more authoritarian leadership. I don't really see anything else. Unless we end up in WW3, it's unlikely you will personally be affected to such an extent that you must live in misery. What am I missing?

Ok, and what about the peace talks from the 90s and early 2000s? They had to drag Arafat to the negotiating table. They worked through all the parameters, and Arafat rejected the deal. https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207243717/23-years-ago-israelis-and-palestinians-were-talking-about-a-two-state-solution I think this framing that Israel is all about an all encompassing goal of ethnic cleansing and territorial expansion to be warped. I think for many outsiders, it's hard to understand primary vs. secondary motives of Israel. The primary motive of Israel: To secure a Jewish state that prioritizes the safety of Jews around the world. The secondary motive of Israel: To remove the Palestinians in service of the primary motive. But this motive is the slave of the master, which is securing a state for survival means. Why does this matter? Because those Nazi framings are misleading. From the Israeli perspective, the Palestinians aren't specifically some kind of scourge on the world that needs a final solution. They're just in the way. You can see the writings and musings from the early Zionists who you love to quote who were wrestling with this problem. They were self aware that the Palestinians had a reason to fight back, but they did it anyways. This also means that if the tides turn and circumstances create an environment where Israel can achieve it's primary motive, they would not harm Palestinians out of spite and would in fact accept a deal. This of course depends on good leadership. The current Israeli leadership has led the nation farther and farther away from what could be peace.

Lmao

To be fair, it seemed that was true about Trump in 2016. Someone has to be a first mover, and that's how a critical mass slowly develops.

I can't stand Alan Dershowitz and feel like he's doing a great disservice by involving himself.

You believe Israel wants to conquer all Arab / Muslim land? The truth is this ongoing war empowers the worst sheisters in society to gain an edge and influence. I never even heard of "Greater Israel" once until October 7. The war fuels extremism.

It isn't about fighting Israel, but more about the idea of Arab / Muslim land as opposed to Jewish. Unfortunately I'm struggling to understand what you're saying here. My point was related to the Palestinians being forcefully classified as a different entity. What do the 400 million believe about this? And why? And what makes you think you know what's best? You seem to be very opinionated about the fact that endless resistance is their best course. I don't expect anything from you. I think it's natural most will side the Palestinians on the matter as the original aggression was against them. And of course the injustice troubles me, so as I wrestle with it I consider different trains of thought here. I'd like to see the Palestinians do well, and have the least amount of bloodshed altogether for all involved. And what do you believe this understanding will do? Is this revenge against an Israeli mother going to make her more sympathetic to the Palestinians? Or do you just want there to be pain? Why? And is this 18 year old soldier who lost his life the real problem? Btw I believe the same about the young Hamas combatants. All of the combatants are victims of circumstance. If they were each born on the other side, they would likely fight for the other side. I'm playing no victim, as I laid out both possibilities with an endless resistance. I do think it is more likely the Palestinians are wiped out, but it is completely possible the Jews are as well. It is only a matter of time until Iran obtains nuclear weapons. Really anything can happen on a long enough timeline.

I think given the alternatives, it is the most reasonable. Are European Jews and Middle Eastern Jews the "same entity?" - probably even further apart than the Palestinians and other Arabs. They are together now because it is practical. The alternative is one side wins. Maybe "your" side wins, and justice is served. I'm guessing this applies more to @royce than yourself, who is happy to see dead Zionists. Ok great, now all of the Jews are wiped out from the area. Will this extermination be justice? Will a fight to the death where Palestinians are exiled be justice? This is the reality, and given that reality I believe it is "logical." It may not be idealistic, but it is logical.

It isn't the whole picture, but if you're capable of holding two truths at once there is something there. Of course this doesn't take away from the plight of the Palestinians and isn't justification for land theft. It's just that at the end of the day, what's done is done. The Jews are there now. Much like how the Jews were exiled from land to land over the years, even as recently as post 1948, the Palestinians have essentially been exiled. It is not their fault, but this is what happened. In the case of the Jews, Israel has taken in most of these refugees, and life goes on. In the case of the Palestinians, a conceptual division was created between them and the rest of the Muslim / Arab world - and thus life for them cannot go on. They must fight to the death for lines on a map. Where does this fight to the death lead? To death. There will not be a two state solution. There won't be a state within a state where is a tunnel linking one side of Palestine to the other. There won't be a one state solution where a population war ensues and constant conflict. The end result is the exile of the Palestinians one way or the other. And if not, then the extermination of the Jews living there now. In either scenario, it's not good. With all the money and resources spent on this never ending war, and all the lives lost - these Palestinians could all have been multi millionaires living somewhere else. Now of course not everything is about money, but life goes on. Life isn't about lines on a map either.

Sometimes it's worth zooming out just a little.

To be fair, Israel has had major wars with multiple Arab / Muslim nations attacking them at once with the goal of their extermination. This occurred while Gaza / West Bank were not in their control. This is a valid concern. It's hard to say how much the landscape has changed and what is true today, but this all happened basically yesterday.

@Nivsch's point is that without the Jewish majority the votes will inevitably lead to non western values. Which seems true. If votes are determining policy, that will be the result.

I think @Some dude on the net's commentary is relevant and prescient given that the primary discourse related to Israel / US relations is that Israel manipulates the US into giving them what they want, when it's really a two way street and alliance. I've said it a long time ago, Israel is a proxy state of the US. Israel is doing the dirty work for the US, and American society is convinced our leadership are dumb and naive lemmings. The US leadership is full of ruthless wolves in sheep clothing pushing forward with Israel's campaign. Many of you sound perplexed as to why the US does this, or doesn't do that. But when you view it with this frame, the whole thing makes so much more sense and many of these contradictions collapse.

In this scenario, is the US also going to force the Palestinians hand?

And yet, everything he said is also true. Which makes it especially toxic. This is amazingly insightful, but shows how hopeless the situation is. At the end of the day neither side will accept a two state solution and this is a war between two people who believe the land is theirs.

I watched that and agree. I wonder how many lives will be lost in the name of Israeli expansionist policies. Yet I also wonder, how many lives will be lost in the name of justice? A quest for revenge and justice can be self destructive. There are many instances in our own lives where we must experience a loss and move on for our own well being. This has happened to me in scorned relationships, business partnerships, etc. If I were to go on a quest of revenge, I would harm myself in the process. Israel will have to face its own karma for its actions. This will likely be in the form of the nation being run by far right extremists, war hawks, and religious fundamentalists who drag down the culture and prosperity of the nation. Watching the video Leo posted about the origins of Zionism was very interesting because it really highlighted just how rooted it is in anti-semitism. This idea that Jews can never assimilate into another nation, and this was adopted and utilized by both Christians and Jews to advance this. In a response to anti-semitism, Herzl commented that "might makes right" - and this is the policy we still adopt to this day.

I think if you followed the chain it was acknowledged both are wrong. Your evolution on this topic has been interesting. A few weeks ago you wrote that Pro Palestinians needed a "smack to the head with a broomstick." Now you've gone past them in your anti Israel fervor.

Oh I agree with you, just saying even if that's the interpretation you take and want to blame it all on Israel it doesn't make it those Jews fault who were living in Iraq and all the other surrounding Arab countries. But of course, it was never that simple.

This may be a cynical viewpoint, but the current status quo is destroying both Israel and the Palestinians. Israel on it's current course is destroying both the Palestinians and their international standing, well being, and future. It will take at least a generation before this reality results in tangible consequences. By that time, Gaza will be unlivable and the West Bank will be further expanded on and hopes for a two state solution will be dead. I actually feel the most practical step now can be to take these billions in aid money, as well as the billions in military funds fighting this war from Israel and the U.S. and give it to the Palestinians as reparations along with a path to placement outside of Israel. Unfortunately this seems like the best of the worst outcomes. Sometimes, it just is that way. My family is from Iraq. They were all kicked out of Iraq and forced to emigrate to Israel. Now you can point fingers and say that's because of Israel, but my family did nothing wrong. All their valuables and money were stolen. They had prosperous businesses and homes in Baghdad, and it is all gone forever. They will never have their homes back. But ok, we move on and start lives elsewhere.

Yes, but more than that there was an agreement between these British Jewish military personnel and the British government to grant them land in Palestine for helping them win WW2. Add to that the historical ties and the fact that much of Palestine really was uninhabited and not developed, it was by far the most sensible place.