hundreth

Question for you. Did the Jews forcefully remove anyone from their homes before the Arabs declared war on Israel?

I know what the Nakba is, but what I said is also true.

Yes well I'm glad you get to decide where the arbitrary cut off is for when nation states can come into existence. Apparently it's exactly when the Jews get one.

We bought land legally. The UN proposal gave us half the land, the Arabs declared war. We won. If you call that colonizing, sure. Most Palestinians left their homes because they assumed all Jews would be wiped out and they would be able to return. Didn't work out that way. Either way, Israel is there and it isn't going anywhere. You can cry forever that Israel's path to existence has a history of war and injustice the same as every other nation on the planet, but it won't achieve anything. The focus should be on forward thinking solutions.

You can't convince anything of anyone like this because they don't believe in any accountability for Palestinians. Everything is Israel's fault because Zionism and these are the factors that lead Palestinians to develop their culture and values exactly this way. They could not have made any other choices and they currently cannot make any other choices either. Everything is up to Israel, and the solution is to give the Palestinians everything they demand NOW. How dare you give the Palestinians a state with buffer zones and safety contingencies? They should be free to do whatever they want now!

It's good to see the ground invasion has finally commenced and we can move past the air strike phase. The sooner this whole saga is over, the better. It's clear Israel is committed to removing Hamas. All we can do is pray civilian losses are minimized and some positive change results from this. Personally, as a Jew with close ties to Israel I'm done arguing morals with outsiders who have no skin in the game and want to tell Jews what level of safety and survival is appropriate for them. You believe we shouldn't have our own state? You believe we should put our loved ones in danger with your half baked solutions? We don't care.

Finally the logic is exposed. The context of course matters, but it doesn't change the fact that Hamas is a level of deranged way beyond the IDF. And that's what is being dealt with on the ground, the reality of the situation. Murderous psychopaths often have traumatic childhoods, but it doesn't change the fact they are incredibly dangerous now and need to be dealt with accordingly.

Yes, you know more about what's possible there than the Hamas insurgents living there who carefully planned the attack for months and risked their lives. They have no idea, but you do.

Yes you can continue adding levels to the house of cards case you've built, but it doesn't help much. Occam's razor is pretty strong. A weak and divided Israel going through political strife, during holiday season got caught with their pants down.

It shows how misguided and conspiratorial your thinking is. Nothing about allowing this attack is good for Israel or their government. Israel has previously traded 1,000 prisoners for one Israeli. Now there's 200 hostages. The administration has been embarrassed and will likely be forced to leave. Fighting this battle puts Israel in an impossible situation, where they have to thread the needle between international support, concern over their own civilians, concern over their military, concern over Palestinian civilians, etc.

I'm no fun of the current Israeli regime, but reverse the situation. What would happen if Hamas had the IDF's firepower capabilities? Do you think any Jews in the region would still exist?

Hamas is like a cancer you can only root out with intense chemotherapy and suffering.

It's an impossible situation. I hear a lot of people arguing Israel should simply send in special forces. To do what exactly? Kill one or two Hamas leaders? Rescue one or two hostages? The hostages are scattered across the vast tunnel system. The leadership is scattered across the vast tunnel system. This also assumes the IDF is even capable of knowing exactly which tunnel these leaders / hostages are being hidden. How would you find that out? Israel's goal is to eliminate Hamas as a the dominant political organization in the region. There's no way to "special forces" this. As everyone here has already outlined, a ground invasion will lead to tons of Israeli casualties. Seems what is happening is inevitable as cruel and unfortunate as it is.

Truly insane. There was a lot of talk about indoctrination from our educational systems, but I thought it was mostly right wing propaganda until now. 36% of people 18-24 don't even believe it was a terrorist attack. Half of the youth sides with HAMAS specifically, not even Palestinians in general. Half the people up to age 34 believe the hamas killings could be justified. WTF.

If you're referring to me posting increasingly convincing evidence of what actually happened, then yes I am skeptical. I was skeptical to rush to moral condemnation without the story being investigated. It is seeming more and more clear by the minute that this was the result of Hamas.

https://x.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1714350115312255019?s=20

More confirmation.

So video footage doesn't convince you, but audio comparisons are good for you? I wait and see investigations in the coming days.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17a7mmh/hamas_rocket_fails_midair_and_crashes_on_hospital/?share_id=z0WBBpDO5Q_5ljFT-c8hI What actually happened.

"Learned their lesson" - The lesson Jews learned is that they aren't safe around the world, so a group of fighters created a colonial Zionist movement which seized an opportunity to create a safe haven for Jews. What is your point in comparing with Russia? How would one even compare?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17a7mmh/hamas_rocket_fails_midair_and_crashes_on_hospital/?share_id=z0WBBpDO5Q_5ljFT-c8hI Here's what happened. Hamas fucked up.

Do you know the history? They rejected the UN partition which would have given them 50% of the land, then declared war on the Jews and lost. They could have made counter proposals, etc but they declared war. Also, even without context that isn't close to Nazi Germany's treatment of the Jews who created Gas chambers to more efficiently kill Jews. Stop comparing everything to Nazis, nuance is needed.

I feel for the Palestinian people and the IDF is no saint, but I can't take you seriously when you make hyperbolic statements such as "commit genocide" and "same as Nazis." The Palestinian population has exploded while Israel could have wiped out the entire population during these 70 years. They must really suck at genocide. They've also attempted to move towards peace with the Palestinians on many occasions and form a two state solution. Didn't work out that well for the Jews in Nazi Germany unfortunately. To you it's all the same though.

Did Ukrainians sneak into Russia on Christmas and rape / murder the equivalent of 30 9/11s worth of people?

Israel's objective isn't to kill children. The objective is to remove Hamas and their infrastructure. They drop leaflets and instruct civilians to leave the area. There's legitimate discussion to be had about whether civilians have enough time, etc. but trying to claim moral equivalence with Hamas whose objective it is to kill civilians and children in cold blood is ridiculous.