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@kurt While I agree with what you are saying that his teachings can mislead people, so can other teachers as well. Its up to the people listening to his message whether or not they want to follow what he has to say. Keep in mind the focus is towards personal development and improving the quality of your life, while also keeping an open mind about other possibilities that might exist that could radically change the way you look at life. In the end the follower has to make the decision to be smart enough to see that they need to test these ideas and not take them on blind faith.

@Deep Agreed, everyone is on their own path and I think the more that enlightenment is talked about as something to be obtained the more we try looking for it and get lost. We are our own teachers and need to rely on our own direct experiences for these realizations, all you need is an open mind and a leap of faith

I've had quite a few interesting experiences over the last few months but the one that stands out the most was when I accidentally ate a brownie with thc in it and found out my true nature as awareness haha. I woke up one morning and I was getting ready for work and I was listening to a song, can't remember the name but part of the lyrics stood out for me "you already know who you are,but you've just forgotten" or something to that extent. I didn't think much of it but when I went upstairs I noticed someone had made some brownies so I ate a reasonable amount (couldn't help myself haha) then I went back downstairs and the song was still playing and it hit me hard that there was a deeper meaning to the lyrics. Then I glanced at the clock and noticed I was running late to work so I hurried out, as I was driving I noticed that I was feeling a little weird and couldn't focus properly but I figured I was just still a little tired. Finally made it to work and as I tried to focus I couldn't function properly, everything just started going blurry and I felt really dizzy. Told the supervisor that I wasn't feeling well and he sent my to the ER. As I was sitting there waiting for the nurse, I was wondering what the hell was going on. Then I remembered the song from before and I started asking "Who am I?". It was as if a part of me stepped back from behind my eyes and it was clear what was really going on. At that moment it became apparent that there was nothing behind the walls I was looking at and I was just experiencing existence through the perspective of a human being. The nurse finally comes in and is asking me questions and I realized that I was just talking to myself, there was no person in that body, only another character playing her part. I tried to explain that to her and she looked at me like I was crazy haha, was kinda hoping she knew what I was talking about but I guess most people still don't know about these ideas. Felt a little depressed because I was all alone sitting in a hospital room with no one that could understand what I was going through, I thought I had finally lost my mind. Then a wave of bliss hit me, it just surrounded me with love that I've never felt before. I broke down and started crying out of pure joy, I had no idea such powerful feelings of love were possible. At the time I became very derealized after the experience though, I felt trapped in an illusion thinking it was all real. It took hundreds of hours of contemplation to finally get a grasp of reality again. Looking back it was a huge part of my growth though, it helped me get through some rough times and taught me not to take life seriously

@Martin123Yeah just be authentic and do what you want, it might take a little time to adjust to since you've probably always done things for the sake of protecting your self image. At least that's how it was for me. Also find people you resonate positively with, I found that I was around a lot of condescending people that caused my need to find validation due to low self esteem

@Shin That's awesome man! It's such a beautiful realization that you don't have to fight with yourself anymore once you find out that you are the very reason that any of this exists

@Epiphany_Inspired I agree, debates can be very good for helping others see different perspectives that they may not be aware of. The problem is when people get too closed minded and emotions get involved, that's when it gets ugly haha

@Neo Yeah that can be tricky, that's something I've been working on trying to fix myself haha. Sometimes I jump to conclusions to fast and end up misunderstanding the person's message/intention and vice versa. I'm pretty sarcastic in person and I find that it's hard to convert that into text

Yeah this is actually a really good point, I've struggled with this myself in the past and once I started working on my emotions and raising awareness there was a complete shift in my success. It's also helped me understand other people better as well, it's become very easy to read someone's vibration to tell if they are being honest or trying to hide something

Who is looking down on others? We are trying to teach compassion and acceptance of our fellow beings, and you keep bringing up the absolute and saying all of this is meaningless. If anything you are the one looking down on the very people trying to make a positive change in the world which I find pretty ironic.

I'm very aware of that, thats why I said we are agreeing on the same point but just misunderstanding each other. There is no reason or benefit to be a sage but the idea interests me

The point of what I'm trying to say is to find meaning in your life through your own direct experience. If you want to disagree with me that's fine but most people find that compassion comes naturally as you realize your true nature

I was in the same situation that you were in, I was ready to take my life as well as I did not see a point to existence as I felt trapped in a human body that I did not want to be a part of. I'm sorry if you are not understanding where I am coming from but we are just going back and forth at this point in trying to explain the same thing. It wasn't until I had an enlightenment experience where I felt union with everything and I realized that my body and identity is just an illusion created by ego. The whole reason I'm on this path is to find a deeper meaning to this and help others find their way through their own suffering. Do you not want to help other people understand who they are?

You missed my point, I never said anything was wrong with society, I just want to undo the conditioning that I was lead to believe. I'm well aware of the illusion of the ego , I've had several no-self experiences myself. To be honest it seems that you are very attached to your identity and are unwilling to let it go, and now you are projecting to other people out of your own insecurity. Go ahead call me an idiot for making that statement

Sure I agree with you on that, but let me ask you. Are you happy with the way society is? Is that the life that YOU want for yourself? Do you not have hopes and dreams? The whole point of enlightenment is to undo your social conditioning to live your life authentically. Yeah in the end this is all pointless and meaning but why not find a way to enjoy it while you are here

He reminds me a lot of myself, of course I could be wrong in this regard. Like I said it can be hard to tell what a person's intentions are, but I'd like to say I've gotten good at reading people over the years

I think you are projecting too much here, I'm pretty sure he's aware of what enlightenment is. The problem with language is it can be hard to communicate what our intentions are and it can get misinterpreted. Like what I was trying to mention before about Leo is that he most likely isn't chasing after this as something to prove to the world but more out of passion. Don't forget to look at it from both sides

@kurt What I meant was finding the true nature of reality and everything there is to know about it, of course there is nothing to achieve here. There is nothing serious about this work but the very nature of how this all came about has always fascinated me, maybe I am crazy but I find the fact that I don't exist very liberating as I am free to do as I please

@kurt While that is true the purpose of what he is trying to do is reach the highest aspirations of the human vessel, after all what else is there do while we are here

@Jhonny To add onto what Leo said you want to switch into a growth mindset as well, when you fail to keep a consistent habit make a mental note on what you can do better the next time instead of beating yourself up about it. Remember the mind is going to be resistant to change and its not going to happen over night so have patience!

@NeoSo the way it was explained to me by my therapist is that the wisdom mind already knows what we are but the ego can never understand it only realize it. So my theory is that the trigger comes from when the ego stops trying to resist and surrenders after its seen through its illusion enough times. Not sure if my wording makes sense but I've noticed that is what seems to be happening after each awakening experience I have

@Visionary Yeah should be interesting, I usually just observe my experiences without attaching to anything but never had anything crazy happen that I couldn't understand during my trips so far. I'm sure shrooms is about to flip my world upside down, I'll post the results if anything interesting happens!

@Arman I noticed the same thing while meditating after my experiences, that's good advice I was actually wondering about that.

@Visionary Awesome man! I've had similar experiences before with the orgasmic feeling through the body, it gets pretty intense! Never had the terror for some reason though, trying some shrooms soon so we'll see if that changes haha. Sounds like you are on the right track, keep it up

@Frogfucius While I agree with you that Leo goes overboard with his assumptions sometimes, hes only doing it because of the results he has gotten in his own life. Don't forget that this is a personal development forum and most people here I would assume are trying to aim for the highest version of themselves. You misinterpreted his 7/11 example as well, he never said anything bad about working at 7/11 only that if you don't develop real world skills you will end up working a mediocre job that you might not be passionate about. I would stop nitpicking his words and start understanding his message or you are gonna get lost my friend

@Wendelin Exactly, the problem with the human mind is we are always trying to make sense of things that are happening but it's main purpose is just for survival. Life is a mystery and no one knows the reason why any of this exists, but maybe it'll make sense after we die. Also to answer your last question you live fully when you are detached from outcome and living in the present moment, and also as you raise your awareness you start to appreciate life more imo