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Sorry Alex, I did not see your request.. This is a really simple introduction. Then you can do the course Lynnel posted for us. Or his book is available on Amazon, or at his website for a small price. If you resonate with it, you can find other teaching on his website. 65cents per hour . Compare that to Adyashanti who charges $7 per hour for crap Zen mixed neo Advaita that leaves most people wondering when "it" is going to happen they either get fed up with it an find Vedanta or give up the search. VEDANTA SATSANG - "THE CROWN JEWEL OF DISCRIMINATION" - JAMES SWARTZ COLOGNE 2015: Start here and if you like it then take your pick of free teaching. If you love Vedanta like I do then you can buy the full set which was described above and support James because he teaches for free and only relies on donations and book sales. There is enough free material on his website to get you Enlightened anyways. It's a no brainier . And no, you don't have to join an ashram, James is a lineage holder and has enlightened 400 people . He has trained six teachers and you can email them with questions. You can do it all by email. The point is, these guys are teachers. Adyashanti and Mooji (especially Mooji) are not really teachers. They have their opinions and experiential language only.

You're going to have to pm me because there is no opinion to message you. Unless it's bee disabled? I have been blocked from posting here since Friday. Might have something to do with it

Here's the karma sequence. You know you guys are all taking about how religion is bullshit? Like Christianity and Islam and what not? Well, that's true. But there is another level, more advanced, and they weed out the new age scene and expose that for bullshit too. There is a stage higher, but you won't be ready until you see that Mooji and Adyashanti and the neo guys are bullshit. That's just samsara

Tamo guna. Take notes @Lynnel That's funny. Because there is this thing we call the "satsang hoppers" who are the people who do the rounds with Mooji and Adyashanti. And then when they get fed up with it they find Vedanta, or Vedanta finds them, and it sets them free.

You have a life to live . You have to do that first. Nothing wrong with it. But of you're a "spiritual seeker" and that's what you want to be then move along, cos there is nothing to see here.

No.

You got to remember, the sampradaya was constructed over thousands of years of observation. Tested. Retested. And it works. There have been millions of enlightened people in our history. Not just the famous ones. It was a common thing in the Vedic culture. Put that against someone who has read the "five languages of love",a bit of Jed McKenna taken a couple of trips and is not even aware that maya is operating on every read, and also on every opinion presented in each of these self help books and the result is a bunch of teenagers wondering if they should go for enlightenment or life purpose first like they can just read a few books from norqvist and Ralston and imagine that they are "studying all the great traditions" . Maya is everywhere and it's the reason why nobody gets enlightenment these days. The Disneyfication and commercialisation of enlightenment is well entrenched in the modern spiritual world. And nobody bats an eyelid. Anyway, it shouldn't be called enlightenment, it should not be marketed as Enlightenment either. It's only "awakening" and as Swartz rightly said "waking up into another dream"

I would only take a YouTube guru (or any modern guru) seriously if they could complete a dharma combat with the sampradaya. Until that happens it's safe to assume that the sampradaya has the monopoly on experience. A funny quote from my teacher: "the spiritual world is the worst place to go for information about enlightenment" lol Cos it's all spiritual poseurs out for a "spiritual good time" .

Vedanta begins when you have had enough of trying to make samsara work. If you don't get that, you don't become enlightened. Everything else is just child's play, because unenlightenment means the self is seeking itself in objects. A five year old could understand it, but most people won't allow it. They still want experience and to save the world. What world?

That's not me in the video. It's Vishnu one of James teachers. Yeah, he mentions Greg Goode. Direct path. But if you want to hear James critique the Direct path too I've got files , hours of him deconstructing the problems with the direct path too. It's beautiful. If you want to see him tear the evolutionary guys (Aurobindo ken Wilber) to pieces you can find that on his blog "Advaita vision". He makes ken Wilber look like a school boy with this silly spiral dynamics and meta cognition self deception. He's a genius.

@NTOgen I can give you a lot more information on Vedanta if you're up for it. But I won't do it on here, basically cos I'm wasting my time. All I'm willing to give this forum is the basics, and if they are prepared then they can go look into it. But I'm not going to write here for the likes of Bob and a wave in the ocean who seem to want to draw answers so they can strawman it. Fuck that. I got better things to do lol I'll help only people who are savvy with it.

They tell you the lot. Not sure I've got the will to go into it in depth, but there are levels of teachings. Like at school. They start you off with self inquiry (above), and the qualifications are explained there. As you work your way through the texts: Bhagavad-Gita Tattva Bodha Atma Bodha Vivekachdamani Panchadasi Then if you want to teach you study the Upanishads and then the Bhrama sutras to tie up all the apparent contradictions All these texts reveal unresolved questions that the basic teaching didn't resolve. The qualifications are the traits of a psychologically healthy person. If those qualities of mind are not there you need to work on development them through yoga. Karma yoga is anger management. Angry people don't get enlightened lol. They do in the modern world, people like krishnamurti and Andrew Cohen do, cos there's no fucking standards and every tom dick and harry has an opinion on what is considered enlightenment these days This is why we get all these enlightened assholes. Because they didn't qualify. They only had third rate epphiphanies and then set themselves up as gurus. It's a joke.

Oh no Lynne, it doesn't exist either. At the quantum level it only comes into being because consciousness illumines it. But yeah, discrimination means you know the objects don't contain the happiness. That's the main teaching because you understand that you cannot win in Samsara

@Lynnel Remember the Buddhist nonsense of the "desire to be desireless"? Well. Vedanta says the jiva is still real, and has desires. It will always be a doer. But a self actualized person (jiva who is self realized and vasanas rendered non binding and doership cancelled and karmic account closed is the goal.

If you don't get it, then there is a block somewhere. You just go back and work on the qualifications until it sticks. It's a "leave no man behind" tradition. But they do tell you straight to get your psychological problems sorted if they discover that not even the basic teachings make sense.

@Alex K So, the qualifications: Discrimination ( which is covered above) Dispassion for objects (happens naturally once student can discriminate ) A shubda pramana (means of knowledge - Vedanta) A qualified teacher who can wield the knowledge. Self acceptance (warts and all) Devotion ( bhakti - devotion for the self's reflection (Isvara, the cosmos) Foreberance Single pointedness of mind (a mind capable of contemplation on the teaching and being able to stay on course. A mind easily distracted won't assimilate knowledge of the self.) Faith in the teachings pending the results of your inquiry. Curiosity and open mindedness transforms into knowledge upon seeing the truths revealed from the scriptures. The point is not to change onselsef as a person, just to gain qualities of mind capable of assimilating the knowledge. The end result is that the person and the world is all perfect as is. No need to change it because there is no desire to change it . Freedom is the goal. Now the saintliness of the person will depend on what his or her role is here, not their choice. Because once you know you are not the doer, the doer can't be changed, it is left to get on with its purpose here. Vedanta teachings are free of charge, they belong to humanity, not to a person. Of course, the modern self help guys want you to think it's about personal transformation because it keeps them in business.

Awareness can indeed be aware of itself. Awareness is its nature. You just have to know where to look and for that you need a shubda pramana and a qualified teacher to reveal it to you. Otherwise you're left with the blind leading the blind (modern teachings). The "mind" can't conceptualise awareness, but the intellect can speak the difference between aware and the objects appearing in it after the self has been revealed. That's called discrimination (the first qualification for enlightenment), it's unique to Vedanta because only Vedanta says that the objects are you, but you are free of the objects. @Alex K FYI

@Lynnel Yeah, stop hanging around with dreamers. It's just tamo guna masquerading as the self. Basically anyone who thinks samsara exists and still has some kind of desire.

Depends whos speaking? Awareness or the doer. If you're the doer trying to negate then the doer has hijacked the teaching. If awareness is speaking, (or the intellect speaking on behalf of awareness) then nothing need be negated, because there is nothing to negate.

@Bob84 Please ignore that Bob. Could not get rid of the tag.

Right. So sanity is acting clever with the scrutiny to make yourself appear big. While you spread bullshit from Osho and Lakshmi the self realized fucking cow? Fucking Jesus Christ. The spiritual world attracts some fucking idiots. Piece of *@&?! Cun** fu#@ why don't you f**& yeah? Honestly I'm fu@#£! sick to death of this ***ing bull**#@#

Lol. Oh come on. Fuck off you moron. You're both doing a good job of demonstration of how the ego protects it's objects. This inquiry might be worth it after all

This is just getting absurd . You have gone beyond common sense now and are just mechanically deconstructing everything to appear clever . Let me remind you of your Osho quotes and Lakshmi the cow stories. This is structural distortion in the subtle body. You have so much shit in there to defend that you will outright lie and contradict yourself to protect it. Because it's who you are. It's your identity. Because you don't feel whole and free, you need all this shit to function because you think you're ignorant. That's mental illness