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Haha I guess you're right. I wanted to trigger an intellectual discussion but instead I get pointed towards something that's kind of above my level right now. I'd love to grow to stage Green but the people are weirdos and I feel I haven't gotten nearly enough bitches and money yet in this stage.

Non-duality joke: Guru: hey Student: what's going on? Guru: nothing ?

Ehm, how come? If I create a business that pushes people to meditate, I'm not pushing my own idealogy on people and leave them to draw their own conclusions. Now my own agenda, my worldview, is pure coincidence of where I was born, which time etc. So pushing my own worldview onto others is rather inconsiderate. But to promote something that works for everyone on the Spiral, like healthy eating, can be done without pushing my own belief system, which is just nonsense to others. Stuff like that can be done perfectly well in a capitalism environment. What else do you propose?

False. I believe you can create a business that raises people's consciousness while leaving idealogy or your own beliefs entirely out of the picture. For example: pushing the field of neuro feedback, healthy living and meditation.

If you're against capitalism, you can't practice what you preach. I could make a great case why sleep is a waste of time, but not sleeping ain't gonna work. So your point might be valid, it's utterly impractical. Even if you're technically right, what's the purpose? Might as well put on your boots and actually make some change.

What's more productive: thinking of how bad capitalism is and being sad about it, or actually taking action to create a conscious business that can elevate humanity, albeit in a small way, to greater heights? I have fantastical ideas about a working non-capitalistic world. But in reality, we live in one. Through capitalism you can make a change, and then one day things will be different and even much better than today (which is already pretty darn good compared to 100 years ago).

It's the entrepreneurs that can change the world by making a positive impact, and we see more and more conscious businesses that the public appreciates. My biggest life goal is to raise humanity and people's consciousness by having a giant global impact. A solution that works for every stage of the Spiral without discrimination or pushing one's ideology over another. My criticism was towards those specific things I mentioned in the OP. I don't understand the unproductive and paradoxical behavior I believe is part of green. I do agree with and understand most of the viewpoints and theory, as well as the shortcomings of stage orange.

You seem like an open minded and logical person. Wouldn't you agree that stage Green has very little practical, real world application?

Lol trip report, probably not a good title for nootropics. Don't take a full pill, stick with halves and quarters.

In my experience, you're not really "under the influence" of nootropics. You're just more focused, more present, 100% yourself. So yeah, ofcourse you can do real development using them. They're extremely helpful.

As I was listening to David Deida's "The Way of the Superior Man" on audiobook, it started to make sense. Male and Female energy explains a lot of our actions and behaviors. We all have both Male and Female energy, and this concept is completely separate from sex and gender. So basically, Male Energy is constant. That which never changes. These are consciousness and death. I can't think of anything else. Male Energy is found in qualities like Discipline Work ethic Emotional mastery Purpose Now Female Energy is the ongoing change. Flowing like the wind. Everything is always changing. That's the Female Energy. Female Energy is found in qualities like Feeling into your emotions Learning new things Making new connections Desiring Wanting to experience Having too much of either spectrum is a guaranteed way to make you unhappy. Having too much female energy might give you a great vision for you life, but you're only going off sporadic motivation. You might say things like "I'm going to quit weed next week", because that's how you genuinely feel right now. But you lack the discipline and work ethic to make this work. You may think someone is going to come, to save you from your misery. You know you should take responsibility for your life, but really deep down you still desire for someone to come and save you. Stereotypes include: the hippie, the starving artist, the emotionally unstable friend Having too much male energy means you're not open to change. You're unable to properly do personal development and you cling to your opinions as if they're absolute truths. You may go online and argue with other people, or get triggered by opinions other than your own. You're not open to the possibility the other side could be right, and can't conceive that your opinion is only a product of time and circumstance, not absolute truth. Stereotypes include: the elderly conservative, nationalists, those who glorify capitalism, fighting over wrong and right Ultimately you want to find a balance between the two energies. That doesn't mean literally 50/50, it means something that works for you. Did you guys like this? It's just a bunch of observations but like Spiral Dynamics, I find this model of the world very helpful in growing myself.

This morning I popped a L-theanine cause Leo said it's a great nootropic. I guess it works really well because I feel this sense of calm, focus and "spiritual" feeling I get similar to microdosing shrooms. But it also causes fear, similar to that I experience on weed, microdosing and general "spiritual" experiences I feel sometimes. I guess my ego is a frightened little girl. Maybe this feeling is only acceptable when I meditate, because then it's like I control it. But if it happens on my commute to work, it's scary. What to do with this? It's the reason I'm way too scared to take a full dose of mushrooms or try 5-MEO or regular DMT or Acid. You think this is also the reason why I fallback into TERRIBLE self-destructing patterns like shit food, porn, even getting a flu whenever my life goes really, really well? Thanks P.S. I do believe one main reason is a social anxiety I have and the way I see myself, but this really doesn't help

Why without question?

Ordered a small bottle of L-Theanine and popped my first pill this morning. The label says to take 2 pills per day on an empty stomach so I did just that. It's made me very productive, surprisingly productive. My usual self would have gone home at 4.30PM but I stayed late and was very happy with the work I got done. It also made me introspective in ways I wish I had 4 years ago. Had some great realizations about how I process information, very useful. Also got my Armodafinil in the mail today! Will be using that tomorrow! So excited. I won't be combining it with the L-Theanine so I can feel its effect properly. I also won't take the Armodafinil daily but every 2 or 3 days so I can really feel the difference. Will start with half a pill.

Does anyone remember the one Leo said helps against the flu?

The truth is, you already know that it's what you should do but you want permission to go pursue it. If robots start doing surgery en masse then third world countries are gonna lag behind on the technology for decades. Have you been in a third world hospital? It looks like a 50s insane asylum with shit equipment and poor sanitation. You can fill decades or a lifetime being a surgeon and who knows what your knowledge can offer after that. See I just pulled that story out of my ass and can think of 50 more realistic scenarios where surgery is useful but you just want permission to do it. Go do it.

Yesterday I smoked weed, like I've done so many times before, but it hit me pretty hard. I started hearing a high frequency noise that sounded very Alien that kept going on in my left ear. When I stood up, I fainted and blacked out on the coffee table but got back up. Then I walked up the stairs into my bedroom and fell on the floor and hit my head and back (I assume pretty hard). All of reality became a blur and I fainted. My housemate got me a glass of water and took care of me. This is where the experience started. First, I experienced an infinite loop that I couldn't get out of. The same image and the same words kept reappearing and all these visuals spawned out of itself, for infinity. I had to deny something. If I didn't deny that particular thing / phrase / sentence, fear would take over my reality. By constantly denying this phrase I could reach the light. It was very difficult for me to deny this phrase, whatever it was, but eventually I denied it so many times I escaped the loop. Slowly my visual field kicked back in but it was different this time. I was sitting on the floor in a meditative position and I had the deep realization that that moment was all there ever was. My whole life as a story was complete BS and all it ever was was me sitting on the floor in that position. Every human ever has only ever sat in that meditative position. I was still in childhood. I FINALLY realized the nature of reality. All it EVER was was that. Time was a complete joke ... the funniest joke I'd ever heard. I said to my housemate that I finally understood the comparison between enlightenment and an orgasm because a few minutes of this were absolutely orgasmic. So, what on EARTH should I make of this?

I don't think Leo meant that literal experience is the top of the iceberg, rather it's one of many possible gateways into having an insight into "truth" (whatever that is). Correct me if I'm wrong.

What I referred to is gut feeling. I used to make my decisions in life based on "rational thinking" but in my case that turned out to be nonsense - an excuse to ignore my gut. Looking back on many life events, I found I secretly knew important things all along but ended up rationalizing in the other (wrong) direction.

Following the intuitive thoughts, feelings that arise in moments of clarity, can I be wrong? For example, socializing more now, which I have a strong need for in my personal journey of growth, I find myself smoking a cigarette every now and again. Completely guilt free. Thoughts?

You definitely have a point and it's super difficult to know to what extend I actually recollect the experience and how much is "tainted" by theory and concepts. This is true for normal daily life experiences also. But the deep experience where I REALIZED the truth (not a thought) is hard to deny. I kept yelling "this can't be true". From what I've heard about spiritual experiences, trip reports and non-duality, this experience wasn't all that profound and as Leo said, only the tip of the iceberg. But for someone who's never done psychedelics and only had very "surface" realizations during meditation, this experience was extremely profound.

So my housemate is really into spirituality, including all sorts of paranormal phenomena and conspiracy theories. Having raised my consciousness through personal development myself, I'm often quite skeptical about the stuff he's into and I can clearly see how he's stereotypically stage Green. But it got me thinking: to what extend should we buy into spiritual "teachings" that aren't about nonduality? For example, my housemate often says he sees the numbers 1111 in every day life and he sees these as mysterious signs. See this video As someone who's trying to follow Leo's teachings, I find this sorta stuff confusing and I'm not sure if skepticism is the right response here or not. Should you dive deep into everything, even if it could be a distraction?

So since I saw Leo's mini series on Spiral dynamics I've become much more aware of my own evolution. I'm yellow in some ways and blue/orange in others. Also exploring more green and I love it. I feel I was raised pretty green and fell back into blue and orange in my early adult years. Through this work I'm touching on yellow now. Now, currently I'm working on isolated areas in my life that need fixed first before I can move onto greater life work. I pick these based on intuition and by analyzing my past self. Would you agree that certain areas need to be evolved first before I experience with psychedelics or dive deeper into yellow or even turquoise? I have difficulties with socializing for example where I have blue and orange traits and where orange and green are helpful but I'm also unbiased and orange when it comes to concepts, society and the bigger picture. Thoughts?

These ideas have definitely opened my mind to new possibilities but I can't grasp it fully. If the universe only exists in the perceiver's brain and only the now exists, how do you explain the past? Meaning, we behave in certain ways because we used those traits in evolution for millions of years. We eat healthy veggies or raw foods because our ancestors lived like that and our bodies like it. But if it's all a perception, doesn't that mean I can eat at McDonals every day if I've never learned of human evolution? I know this sounds dumb but I don't know how else to express this. I'm super frustrated at this.

Hi guys, So all my life I put happiness off into the future. Things like "Yes I'll go do fun things but I need huge business success first" were my absolute truth, it all seemed pretty rational too. Then one day I had sort of a spiritual experience. I realized that I'm really an artist (quite the difference huh) and I should re-think my life purpose! Shocker. Ever since that moment (about 2 months ago), I've been super happy! I go out, I meet girls, I enjoy the way the streets look, I enjoy my thoughts, I enjoy my job and co-workers. I've even enjoyed being angry (lol) and some other things that used to belong in the "bad" category. I finally get to enjoy the fun stuff I've always put off into this non-existent future. After 5 years of struggling so damn hard to make my business work, I've stopped clinging to it for happiness. I don't care if I wake up on time (on my off day) cause who cares? I don't care if I get things done today. I don't really care if I ever reach my long-term goals because living the life I live now is already pretty damn great and enjoyable. It's like all the personal development is coming together at this point and helping me at this stage. The life I lived, full of worry and "musts" was pretty shit compared to just living life. Anyway, I'm assuming the "itch" for success and making meaningful impact on the world will come back at some point, right? I want it to be back but in a much more mature way, not a "I must reach XYX success or else my life is failure" sorta thing. Thoughts?