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@OBEler Conspiracy theories are not welcome on this forum so I don't know if should be explaining this but I just will say what I think might be the case. Especially from Steven Greer, which is a very controversial guy I would say the least, I heard a lot of talking about us already having above top secret levels of technology which is so advanced that it would appear to be actual UFOs, so the UFOs that have been seen in the 70s were plain and simply human technology. A good example would be the TR3-B, which has had sightings in 1996 already, you'll find plenty of material about this one. Real alien UFOs actually simply look like a dot or ball of energy from what I've seen and heard. Aliens races advanced enough to be here are actually higher dimensional beings.

1) This is simply a belief that you are imposing as well. Why is having extreme distrust towards the media any bad if it's actual brainwashing? Now if it's not, you might have a point that the extreme might cause problems but I would rather have these problems than this brainwashing machinery. And of course this now is just my belief that I would be imposing, which I am not, simply making a point here. 2) Can't really comment on this one since I've never really seen a conspiracy theorists call another guy a conspiracy theorists, that they don't all agree with each other is inevitable considering the scape of all this and actually also a very healthy thing. I on my end am actually kind of happy to have the privilege of being a conspiracy theorist, breaking out of the brainwash is a good thing as you people should know self actualization is not very mainstream either. Now does the current mainstream have good aspects to it? For sure, but I couldn't care less about something having positive aspects if they are just the bare minimum that should be there in the first place, now if it didn't people would have woken up way sooner, now the awakening is just slowly beginning. At this point also consider the Whistleblowers and documents about the CIA inventing the term conspiracy theorist to discredit people, that's why they tend to defend themselves against this terminology being used as a weapon against them, but I couldn't care less myself, this weapon is getting weaker day after day. 3) Because most of people who have gone as far as to consider conspiracy theories have to be open minded in the first place, with closed mindedness you are not gonna get there. Now this doesn't exclude people from being open minded and not be into conspiracy theories. So you definitely have a point with this, if it happens as often as you say it does. At the same time the opposite side holds truth as well because as I already stated open mindedness is a requirement, people are just quick to judge others, but that goes for both sides. 4) Yes, but again you don't mention here that people might be gullible by believing the mainstream media. Again this can go for both sides, so I don't see it as a good argument to begin with. And not sides as in binary views, but sides as in the vast scape of conspiracy theorists and the vast scape of not conspiracy theorists. You an be skeptic about many things. 5) If the whole system is corrupt, yeah it's all or nothing. Which doesn't mean the system doesn't still hold things that might be useful for the future and are inherently good things, yet so many people cling to these good things, like a junkie to his needle that they miss to see the world beyond the needle. Sometimes the chunks are hidden from you so you'll have to work with the nuggets unfortunately, luckily sometimes you can extrapolate from chunks missing where they should be, that something has been covered up. 6&7 kinda contradict themselves in my view, so I'll dive into 7. 7) That one is new for me, since I call my deep dives and explanations of the theories I know as speculation or worst case scenarios for the most part, but I'm sure there will be plenty people "guilty" of this. And I agree that it's not very helpful that people are claiming absolute truth everywhere, but as we should know from some of Leos greatest teachings, never ever believe something to 100%. 8) Or maybe high standards for evidence are according to rules which are preventing certain things to be revealed. Speculation I guess. As I described in the other comment above. there were conspiracy theories which didn't have this hard evidence you hold up so highly and yet they've been shown to be true. Weird, how can these dumb people who have such low standard for evidence know before anyone else does? 9) This argument is actually exactly what conspiracy theorists consider as evidence, so this point absolutely doesn't make sense to me. This is exactly what we do, as you said we collect these nuggets, we collect hundreds and thousands of these nuggets and then they offer a holistic picture. 10) Meta view is exactly what conspiracy theories are about, but of course you'll not see that if you don't dive deep. Isn't it obvious that you only can see the meta structure when you dove deep enough to actually consider all the nuggets? You people refuse to dive into it, absolutely refuse and censor any efforts to do so. @Consept By building exactly the system you believe we already live in, just maybe in a even better way. With some huge and some minor improvements made and they sometime in the future an even more advanced system can be build along with the growth of humanity and so on into infinity. I absolutely don't have anything against scientific research studies and relying on hard evidence, that would be great if this would be the case, but within a system where only parts of the truth are released and many parts are completely twisted around to fit certain agendas, I sadly have to make the cut here basically and just go against this system with all that I got. How do you think revolutions occured? Do you think revolutions go according to strict rules and are beautifully smooth?

@Consept I see this claim made very often, claiming conspiracy theorists to have a binary view. While it surely is the case for many conspiracy theorists AND I might add people who are not conspiracy theorists as well, but this is just your perception when you come looking at it from the outside basically. There are many different conspiracy theories and seldom there is someone who believes in all of them, some maybe even most are simply not true, yet I would stay open minded. Some have been shown to be true and yet you pretend as if nothing happend. What does it imply if some were shown to be true? That you might be mislead in your thinking as people were before relative to these other conspiracy theories which didn't have solid "evidence" either but somehow people were smart enough to uncover the truth for themselves without this so called hard "evidence" you people cling so hard to. Some things are just based on intuition and a holistic view of aspects surrounding a certain subject. As I already said about this topic, I don't trust the current established forces to make these tests and studies in a way that would make me feel safe about it, it's not even so much about the test result itself, it's about the shady figures who obviously are trying to push their agenda onto us, this is what makes me most skeptical, the research itself is not the source of my concern. It would be great if that could be done without all of these agendas. I will give you the example they just gave Bill multiple minutes of talking time on German TV where he was promoting his vaccine agenda and his monopoly on that matter, telling us what to do, 7 billion people have to get the vaccine! He's absolutely insane and not a single soul on the whole landscape of mainstream media would question his agenda even for a second, no questions asked. With the election of Trump I already noticed that what usually is true is exactly the opposite of what the media are most vigilant about. But yeah, you'll figure out these things soon enough. I'm not going to try to convince any of you because I see that only hard evidence could ever convince you, I promise you that evidence will be coming in the future.

@OBEler So what is it now? Thought your original statement was "I think aliens and ufos in this physical universe never visit this earth." and now you are showing me this video? Don't really get it. Assuming that there is only one single way UFOs look like, as if there would be one and only alien race is about the same as assuming we are the only ones in the universe.

@OBEler Or maybe you simply have assumptions about what UFOs look like which are simply wrong.

@Consept That would be great of course assuming your relative truth wouldn't be dictated to you by said government.

@Consept Don't let something having good aspects to it fool you into not wanting to improve upon said thing. And sometimes even to destroy it in order to build something new and better.

Stop pulling your interpretations of who I am out of your ass dude. You don't know anything about me, so this is seriously going too far. Get yourself together dude. You didn't just ask for a passport, your comment before that was the respectless one, don't twist this around. You didn't answer my actual question why it's irrational to be right winged without being a racist and now you feel like going with further judgment into the subject talking about me with someone else, now that is closed minded and respectless. I did not justify voting right wing by being harassed by racists, I said I know what real racism looks like exactly because of that, stop twisting everything I say according to your world view. I have respect for the people of the country not for the country with its establishment as such! Also you pulled that out of your ass that I actually vote for that party, never admitted that because it's not even the case, silly. I am actually anti voting, in this system of corruption, because they are all corrupt. Yet the party you are talking off is the only party that's really voteable which is not in the far right, every single other party that claims to be right wing in germany, is actually fkn left wing still because people are brainwashed. That's way this is the only alternative to vote, even for sane people who are not far right and racist at all, that this party has its problem due to the opportunistic racist and far rightist riding on its back is obvious. I wouldn't even go as far as to say that I really am right or left after all, I am just damn realistic and see what the world needs at the given moment in time and even that is sometimes irrelevant, I don't give a shit what political camp you put someone into when that person is actually honest and saving us from tyranny, from satanism and pedos, that's a person I will stand with! You are so focused on the politics that you don't even notice how full of shit it is, that your political camps you put people into are just theory while the practice is that they do what ever the fk they want because the media brainwashes you to believe whatever they want.

@Consept If i would take every speculative research into conspiracies as 100% truth that would be the case, but I don't and I never claimed to. I disclaimed many times already that some things I am saying are just worst case scenarios, which should tell you that this is nothing that I hold as fact. What I said is a fact would be the case Epstein or Allison Mack for example, wouldn't you agree on that being a fact? The whole vaccine thing is very debatable as I already stated in the other thread from what I remember. Something being debateable is by no means even close to justifying it being forced onto everyone. Get your damn poison if you want to.

@Roy You are projecting. That's not the case at all here. We are doing the best with the limitations that we are given to see past this limited system in order to be able to transcend it. Einstein: "you can't solve a problem with the same mind that created it". The aim would be what I'm talking about, a system where legit research is possible in the first place. But as i said, we have to get there first.

@Consept Because evidence that's based on funding and agenda is about as useless as wild speculation, even more dangerous actually if used in the wrong ways, exactly as it's being used to initialize a totalitarian system. If the evidence would be absolutely trustworthy the story would be different, but don't you get that we are questioning the system and the status quo and by doing so we can't rely on the status quo giving us the truth to destory itself.

@Serotoninluv If enough people would agree on reinforcing actually meaning chicken it would be so. We have to stay aware of the limitations of science and materialism, at least in the way we know it. You are considered an expert in our system because you learned at institutions of our system. Someone might learn outside of our system, not be considered an expert and have his own language so to speak, yet be absolutely genious.

@Tobia Yeah, I agree. didn't really mean to attack anybody with that but just to highlight that I liked this approach.

@Serotoninluv I can totally get behind this one, this is one of the few responses in this thread which sounds very unbiased to me. Not to say that it's the absolute truth. In the end we honestly don't know so many things and I would wish for a world where things would be questioned and tested or investigated independently of funding or agenda. But the current system that we have is way too critical of any opinion outside of the mainstream, way too focused on finance and simply corrupt to the core.

@remember Is that so? Then keep on believing that, till you'll be forced to wake up.

@remember On what basis is being right winged without being racist irrational? I see being a left fascist as irrational and yeah racism is irrational too, but what is defined as racism in our society is simply not racism at all. I know what real racism looks like and I know what leftist fascism looks like. @Consept And yet again I'm telling you we don't get to choose between "good" and "evil", we don't get to have perfection, we get to have something that's simply better.

@remember I'm polish to be exact, just living in germany and had to endure a lot of racism during my childhood, but yeah if you say so.

@Consept Actually I've been pro Trump from the very beginning, because I knew he is our last chance. As I said, he is no angel, but he is the weapon necessary basically. Do you even have an argument here, I don't see one to be honest. You are like, these are funded by right wing people, therefore they must be bad. You are totally biased on this.

@Consept Is that so? How about funding organizations which are not organizing crime then? How about giving money to the actual African people and build a decent system, instead of supporting organizations which exploit these people? Do you have any idea how many Child protective service organizations are involved in this? See case of Allison Mack(convicted), see Clintons Haiti, see Mother Theresa. Of course these children are easy prey if you disguise as the one coming to help. Do you know how often children are adopted by known and convicted pedophiles? It's some really shady stuff going on with all of these welfare organizations. Red Cross is organized crime at it's finest. You don't know how beautiful the world could be without these forces, is a phase of purging difficult? Sure it is, but is it worth it? Absolutely.

@Consept Dude I don't even know where to begin, but no i don't have any first hand account. There is just sooo many whistleblowers on this, damn dude listen to what the people are telling you, people who don't have any financial motive and risk being killed/have been killed actually. Do you know how many psychologist in the USA are specialized on SRA= Satanic ritual abuse? Why are they even necessary?

@Consept I'm questioning it all the time you simply don't see that process play out. What I've seen can't be unseen. Like there isn't even a question if these crimes actually exist or would you wanna tell me elite pedo rings are a hoax? What's with Epstein then? It simply already is true how can you convince me of something else when it's already shown to be true?! By brainwashing maybe. The question is to what extent that rabbit hole really goes and that's something I only speculate on and don't claim absolute truth on. I have no clue how big or little this really is, but everything I see speaks against it being bigger than many people can even imagine. So there is nothing I need to be convinced of as you say it, if there is just a few of these pedos busted and it isn't that big after all that's fine by me, then these theories were wrong, but if they aren't which is very easy to see for me at least, then we absolutely have to do something about this. I will just give you a story imagine this being the worst case possible and absolutely as nothing i claim to be true. I've seen a thread that's been going on even before the whole Q thing, where a police investigator published some of their findings on the darknet, could that be fake? Sure, but it was very well documented and a ton of effort would have had to be put into fabricating that. The story was that they found 20KG of dried Adrenochrome and reported it to the secret service, under Trump they actually managed to catch 15 further of such loads if I remember correctly and estimated about 60 they probably have missed in total. the 15 that were found according to estimate calculations of the officers wife would be 30000 kids that had to be tortured and killed for it and that's just a shipment from south america to Canada associated with Rothschild funded companies btw. Now imagine this has been going on for decades? and all over the world. This is the worst case, do you get why I am so "vigilant" about this?

@Consept I'm not saying that, I simply don't know if they are good or bad and that's very relative honestly. What I know is that I don't want these satanists in power anymore for various reasons. Anyone who is fighting them is welcome, not sure if it could get any worse anymore then it's becoming with the forced vaccinations and 5G, RFID chipping agendas. The best comparison I know is, the choice is in the worst case between Satanists and Luziferians basically. Guess which side is which.

@LfcCharlie4 Of course that's what all the conscious people wait for, but it's just like spiral dynamics, you need to evolve through different stages of the spiral and sadly the current stage of our shadow government is basically so low that even the next higher stage is kinda a letdown after all for people who are widely advanced. But better having some progress than having the status quo. I don't feel like these types of discussion are welcome on here though, so I personally don't intend on starting such discussion on here in the first place, but I surely like to participate in them. @Consept Actually a lot of people know what's going on and there is enough people who are way deeper into this stuff than I am. I've just seen too many things and heard too many whistleblowers telling the same stories over and over again, seen too many shady connections to believe any mainstream crap. Did you ever see any high consciousness content in the mainstream? I didn't, I mostly see satanic symbols everywhere weirdly enough. Are you aware of Adrenochrome? I never said Trump was an angel, as you see in my post above. I just see the war that is being played out at the moment. Trump+Putin and unknown other forces against cabal.

@Consept As to the Central Park five case, as I see it it's more of an issue with the police, Trump wasn't the one who arrested them, he was just trusting the police to do their jobs properly. Now death penalty is a whole other topic, I think that's a little extreme but I would say in some very rare cases it might actually be the right way. I mean if they would actually convict a pedo satanist with incredible influence and money, how can they even punish him? Taking all his wealth and power away would be another way of course, but he will always stay connected to the elite and may stay an important member of said cabal, but don't really wanna dive into this topic to be honest. In the lets call it community of truthers, it actually is widely known that Trump indeed was part of the Cabal for some time, but he also was friends with JFK Jr. and rumors from whistleblowers on satanic cults I heard the cabal wanted his son in exchange for his presidency, something along these lines and he decided to fight against them, hence the media witchhunt illustrated by the cabal. That he is pro vaccine is wrong. He has to satisfy the people to some extent for now, as long as the truth has not been exposed yet. He can't just completely reveal the truth right away, before having a tightly enough grip on the cabal. Your post proves that he was anti-vaxx, so what I'm saying is not far fetched here at all. He still is, you just wont notice that easily. Also keep in mind with the current corrupt system in place, vaccines might actually be helpful even though they cause damage, because the damage artificially done by the system itself is big. That's a common strategy of the cabal, causing an issue and offering the solution while profiting in terms of money and power. financing both sides of all wars for example. I hope you are aware that Trump wasn't found guilty despite the witchhunt going on, while Clintons are just now starting to be investigated for all the crimes they've been accused of now that Trump is winning on influence.

@Consept Is it Trump who is dangerous or is it the game he has to play to stop the cabal that is dangerous? Now I don't know about the allegations you post about him but this is literally nothing compared to the crimes many democrats are said to have committed. Democrats are pushing against Hydroxychloroquine so damn hard because they want the vaccination to happen. It's evident that it's incredibly effective against covid. Also they are pushing early mail voting so they can cheat, so blatantly obvious that it's getting funny how desperate they've become. Trump now stopped all funding for the WHO and now they are being investigated, do you think that's a coincidence? The same WHO funded by the man himself Bill Gates?