OBEler

He can't know that. Putting your tongue up needs weeks to month of training. Watch the YouTube video I posted here. But from what I researched it's totally worth it .

@Xonas Pitfall Yes you are right , even if you just make some observations, which seems harmless at first and is from a curious, neutral perspective , it still can be used and distorted from your ego or other egos in some way and when time passes and you build on that observation further conclusions, you create then slowly an ideology and this can get into dangerous territory like the red pill, which definitely can destroy your relationship.

@Joshe Mainstream calls them weird and they call mainstream weird, too. INTPs have huge superiority in terms of truth seeking compared to other personality types. They can see easily through bullshit and fake interests but still they can be biased and fall into delusions like you say if they really think they know it all.

@Meeksauce I listend to such music style on 75 micro LSD. To be honest it was not scary at all. It was just noise to me even on a psychedelic. No crazy reactions. But others might react differently.

@samijiben @samijiben Have you read studies about 5 meo, producing 90% mystical experiences in a group? If psychedelics do nothing, why all these god realization reports on psychedelics? Before that they didn't recognize god. I am curious how you come to your conclusion.

@Xonas Pitfall no my intention was to show how different women really are compared to men. Again, differences are nothing negative per se but the narrative goes that we are so equal - which we are not - and any difference pointing out is just not taking seriously. But we should understand the differences. I assumed it is common sense how different the genders are , what I wanted to point out how radical different we are in pursuing topics and that it is not just an observation on real world but especially on the Internet if I searching for podcasts between women or generell content produced by women. My observations were that they really have almost no interest outside their personal stuff. This is a big generalization amongst women so I am aware that there are some outsiders. During the discussion I recognized that many men behave the same way, that they are just interested in their own stuff so it might be less about gender and more about personality types. The Internet, YouTube, is full of intps who also have the drive to create content so it's a bit biased.

@Lyubov you are fooling yourself, you try to see something in me which I am not. You think that a solipsistic behavior is something negative, which is not. You try to categorize my observations immediately into red pill content, which might be true but that doesn't make the observations untruthful. That way you cannot see neutral on that topic, you are just biased. Again, just adress the observations directly in a neutral way, I am open for criticism. But please don't behave like a hero who wants to protect women because of "unfairness".

I share observations and instead of invalidate them you put a huge amount of loaded projections onto that. What does it matter if these observations may be also observations from red pillers or whatever? They can be still true. What has an observation to do with my relationship? What do you wildly assume here? An observation can still hold truth regardless of anything of the consequences. What is here exactly unfairness? You put a whole baggage onto that topic. If you want to criticize my generalizations, please put your assumptions and projections away and try to address exactly what's the point.

@Puer Aeternus I was aware even before starting this thread about the projections which might come therefore I wrote a disclaimer. And I made it clear that it is just an observation. People cannot grasp that making an observation can come from a neutral, curious perspective. I wrote these observations down in a neutral way Because I really was neutral. No judging. Open to critics. If people here get offended because they automatically project negativity on my neutral observations, which may destroy their idealistic image of a woman, then I cannot help. Or they skipped my disclaimer and judged quickly, making wild personal conclusions about me without knowing me at all. Putting me out of context etc. Overall People on this forum are not really so developed as they think they are. So negative reactions about a loaded topic like this are not totally preventable. I mean try it out for yourself, go to another forum and share your observations about women. Let's see what happens.

@Puer Aeternus my generalizations are half baked and not perfect I know that. I got already some good criticism on that. What people see in me are their own projections, I never had any issues with women. I just see it as necessary to focus on their behavior because on this world half of mankind are women. It is seen in society that focussing on yourself is not a good behavior. I don't see that as negative but people here do. I just make observations. Reread again and see what I wrote on my first post. I never judged women about their solipsistic behavior. Of course calling women as grifters is a negative one but I said that as an counterexample. People here putting me out of context.

@Natasha Tori Maru

@theleelajoker I know exactly what you are pointing to, but what I was pointing to you, you didn't. Again, it needs some ambivalence. A boy cannot handle ambivalence.

@Natasha Tori Maru well I explain it to you in more detail: someone here told me I have too much negativity, he has just positive experiences, go on street see women as positive and it's just the mind. I told himthe same thing he says can be seen in another way, gave him then an counter example of going to street and see women as grifters instead of positive beings You must understand that I said that women are grifters in an counter example to seeing women as positive. I even included men, too. Telling me that I speak negative about women because of this is therefore out of context.

@Natasha Tori Maru What you do right now is mixing my answers in different contexts and therefore misunderstand things. That way it is hard to discuss with you, so I will leave it by that quote from you again: "The guys here are bringing up stories from direct experience, and you did acknowledge you don't have many female friends/acquaintances." I have right now not much female girlfriends because I have a girlfriend and a full-time job so not much time.I am a little bit older than most people here. In my age as a man that's pretty normal. You are coming up with wild conclusions about me, you don't know my life experience. You don't understand that I was young too and had plenty of experiences with women already. How you behave here is not what an open mind looks like for me.

@Natasha Tori Maru "People are just dickheads really - case closed." Does that look like an open mind? He wrote: "Don't know why there's the idea of "exploitation" and "secrets" when you easily can work together to make interaction between genders better. Says a lot about the lense you see the world through IMO" That's some form of idealizing genders in both ways. By the way I never judged women about being not interested in abstract things. It just was an neutral observation, the negative projection comes from your own mind. To say that there must be now a balance to this because it's negative, is somehow biased.

@Natasha Tori Maru of course you can see that in men too, maybe even worse. See in context what I wrote. I tried to help this boy to not idealize women too much so I gave him an counter example to his advice to open him up to both sides.

@theleelajoker What you say is really low basic stuff man. I can say the same about you. Go on the street, open up your self and see women as grifters and exploiters. You will see it. The difference between people like you and me is I can hold ambivalence in my mind. I can see both positive and negative behaviors in women and am not stuck in one side like you. For me this is a way more sober way to look at reality.

@theleelajoker maybe I see the world in a more sober way than you. It's not all about working together and sharing everything.

@Carl-Richard no, do you have? Am I a woman hater now?

@Princess Arabia I can say the same about you, you have totally interpreted the intention about my post in your own way. I am not angry at women at all - never was. Just because I want to discuss differences and show that women have low interests outside of themselves doesn't mean that I am angry or that I judge them for this or that I want to change this or helping them getting more intellectual. That are all your projections on that. Y

@Lord Kadaver Woah your first trip and one of the most powerful trip reports I read. Insane. Yes first time taking LSD is different to other trips following so don't expect the same happening. But very good results, you know how to manage yourself during very radical states, congratulations!

@Xonas PitfallThanks, by the way are you a man or woman or transgender?

@Princess Arabia so women keep their insights and tactics about men in secret and won't share that in a male dominated forum so that men have no chance to exploit that?

@Dodo I am sorry for your destiny. I don't know your background, why did you really jump? You were in a drug induced psychosis and decided to jump because you thought it was the right thing to do to fulfill your destiny otherwise it would betray your country? How can you fall into this delusion. What happened before to this point? You don't sound like you have some issues. Edit: ah you made some posts about it you said. Ok I will try to find them.

@Joshe interesting perspective. I agree on that. Also the behavior on not looking weird because of society pressure could not show the true interests of women on the Internet. And that forum users and podcast audiences are mostly intps, there is definitely a truth in that.