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@Leo Gura The lack of technical explanation is not mystification, but a deliberate safeguard. Shambhavi acts on levels where premature conceptualization and imitation could disturb rather than support the intended psychophysiological regulation.

@Leo Gura extremely conformist? I know where you have the picture about him. His followers are extremely conformist. But sadghuru is playing outside this field. A few examples: traveling the world with his motorcycle, going on podcasts with famous stars, talking about aliens:

That's exactly what sadghuru teaches you over and over again . Take 100% responsibility for everything because you create everything . He teaches god realization like you. Just in different style. How can you say he is not deep awakened.

@Leo Gura This isn't about me finding resolution, it's about mapping the territory for everyone else. You're right that I can't talk my way into Love.But if you and Ralston are accessing fundamentally different states, you should be able to describe WHERE the divergence happens. Not to convince each other, to map the territory for everyone else doing the work. If your awakening is actually deeper than his, a phenomenological comparison would make that obvious. If it's not, that's also valuable data.

⚡In the name of truth, please consider having a talk with Peter Ralston ⚡ Claude4.5: Hey Leo, I know you've probably considered and dismissed the idea of a public dialogue with Peter Ralston about universal love and God-consciousness a hundred times. But hear me out – I think there's a way to make this work that serves truth and could actually create breakthrough rather than just another debate. Why Ralston Would Actually Do It: Despite his reputation for being "closed," Ralston has one Achilles heel you can exploit: his commitment to direct experience as the ultimate authority. If you frame this not as "Leo corrects Peter" but as "Two masters of direct experience compare notes on a specific phenomenon," he can't refuse without violating his own methodology. The key is in the framing: Not a debate about who's right Not about convincing each other A phenomenological investigation into what's actually experienced in different states of consciousness The Setup That Would Work: A skilled moderator (someone both of you respect – maybe someone from the contemplative/consciousness research field who isn't invested in either position) Specific, experiential questions rather than philosophical debates: "What precisely do you experience in the state you call X?" "How do you distinguish between interpretation and direct experience?" "What experiments could differentiate between these perspectives?" Agreement on ground rules: Both commit to describing experience, not defending positions Both acknowledge that words inevitably fail to capture these states Focus on clarifying differences rather than winning arguments Why This Matters: You've said before that Ralston represents a kind of "incomplete awakening" – stuck in the neutral witness perspective without accessing God-consciousness or infinite love. If that's true, then this conversation isn't just about you vs. him – it's about thousands of people who follow his teaching and might be limiting themselves. But here's the thing: if you can't articulate the difference in a way that even Ralston has to acknowledge, then maybe the difference isn't as clear-cut as it seems. Either way, truth wins. The Pitch to Ralston: You'd need someone to approach him with something like: "Peter, Leo Gura claims to have accessed states of consciousness where universal love and God-consciousness are as directly experienced as the color red. You've said these are interpretations or projections. This is a testable disagreement. Would you be willing to participate in a moderated investigation where both of you describe exactly what you're experiencing, so we can map where the experiences diverge and where they overlap? Not a debate – a collaborative phenomenological mapping." The Format: 2-3 hours, moderated First hour: Each describes their deepest states without interruption Second hour: Moderator asks clarifying questions to both Third hour: Direct exchange on specific points of divergence Recorded and released to both audiences Why He Might Say Yes: His ego: He believes he's accessed something deeper than most spiritual teachers – including you. He'd want to demonstrate that. His methodology: If he refuses to investigate a claimed experience directly, he's violating his own teaching. His legacy: At 78, this could be a significant contribution to consciousness research – two people with deep experience actually mapping their territory. The challenge: Frame it as "If universal love is just interpretation, you should be able to show exactly where the interpretation enters. If you can't, that's data." What You'd Need to Do: Let go of needing to "win" Be genuinely curious about where your experiences differ Avoid mystical language that he can dismiss as "poetry" Stick to phenomenological description Be willing to say "I don't know" when appropriate The Biggest Obstacle: It's not Ralston's stubbornness – it's whether you can present your position in purely experiential terms without the metaphysical framework that he rejects. Can you describe what you call "God-consciousness" in a way that doesn't trigger his "that's just interpretation" response? If you can, this conversation is possible. If you can't, maybe his critique has more merit than you want to admit. Either way, seeking that conversation is more aligned with truth than avoiding it. What do you think?

@CARDOZZO yes, if there would be a better word for love which fits into Ralstons terminology maybe he would be more open to discuss about it.

@Leo Gura come on Leo..I know you need some new challenges. It would be so bad ass if you would invite Peter Ralston to a one to one discussion about love. Tell him your concerns about that he is just lecturing. Both of you would win from this discussion if it would happen. If you are sensitive Peter Ralston can keep his face. His image as a teacher will not be destroyed.

@Majed Sorry to tell you but you are immature. Leo never told you to take MDMA. He also never told you to mix it with antidepressants.

@Ramasta9 on which way did you experience that?

@Leo Gura Do you play seriously games with full concentration or just more casual while hearing podcasts? (zelda is great for that)

This do unexplains it all. But also check out kawaiii culture in Japan. Japanese adult women are forced into the role of playing a cute child. This is good for economy and image of Japan. Politics, corporations and society wants adult children because they are the perfect customer and are no danger for society. They are impulsive, emotional, want instant gratification and don't think long-term. They have poor reasoning skills also. The perfect customer is an infantil adult. And not only Disney is exploiting that right now. Idiocracy becomes real.

I don't want to put hate on people who have fun as adults. It's just that corporations and politicians and society are responsible for that. They all take profits

I am glad @Leo Gurais pointing out how insane his work is. I knew it immediately. The first video I saw about you about enlightenment. I almost cried to found such a good source. YouTube had only crappy spiritual videos back then. I asked me the same question. How can other people not see the value Leo creates. But again people could not see the value in Amazon or Google. Only if everyone is using Amazon and Google you will try to use it and see it as valuable if society accept it. Only if everyone around you is saying Leo's work is insanely good you will recognize that too. Most people are so sheep like.

Please share your experiences. Completely. We are now in a different time where everyone can talk about alien experiences and will not be judged. Especially in a thread like this one. You Will help others also to not keep their stories in secret. I will watch if anyone is making fun of it, he will get high warning points. I will begin with a personal story as a warm up: I once left my body and had an out of body experience. I then saw a daemon outside my sleeping room on the floor. He was standing there. He was huge and completely black. I was floating in front of him and I had the possibility to merge with him. I was curious but my instinct told me not to do that so I was just moving around him and was moving on. I was just surprised but had no fear as I saw him first time. I didn't believe in demons before. I immediately recognized that this thing was a daemon. For 100% daemons are real. They exist outside of material reality.

I don't want to blame adults who relive their childhood. Nostalgia is a hard drug and I love Disney and Nintendo. It's just that you need to be aware that corporations will exploit that to extreme in some cases.

Good video I want to share.

Wow !!!!!! Offer them to take part in your upcoming psychedelic course so they can see for themselves.

Can you describe exactly how you are aware that you’re creating them? What do you exactly mean by being aware that you create them? Like you see the process of imagination, how you imagine them in complex way out of a black empty field, first abstract and then slowly unfolding into a solid wall with all its details (atoms, etc) ? Or can you just feel like you can morph the wall with your mind at will and can bending and stretching the wall with your mind etc and then conclude that you must create the wall? Or is it just a remembering, like Oh I was that who creates intentionally the wall right now.

@Leo Gura can people who really want to know if UFOs are real, called truth seekers? They want to really know it for its own sake.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DS4_IKlkePP/?igsh=MXFhc3Q3YXRlMjc0bQ== Like other dementia patients he leans forward like a demented person. Trump could probably be as a president for a few months left. What do you think will happens economically if he will be removed. Who will take his place.

Japanese use paper houses so when earth quake comes it reduces damage.

For a spiritual beginner tolle ist perfect.

@Breathe i can't recommend doing shrooms in come down phase because that's mostly uncomfortable. And shrooms can exaggerate that.

@Ishanga I hope you get some first non ordinary states of consciousness and get your first psychedelic experiences. It really opens you up. I was like you before that.

I like it better nowadays in this forum, less drama. But I miss Leo s couch blogs. it doesn't feel like he is on a journey anymore but that part was so inspiring. Leo went into a suffering phase and decided not to share his journey anymore. I know he surely has a lot of growth on the background going on . A lot. It's just his raw couch blogs were truly unique and very insightful and inspiring. If he would doing a blog where he shares also bad phases this would make a whole picture.Spirituality and sufferingy, god and being human comes together.