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@AllanGR Hello AllanGR, I totally agree with you what you said about astral travelling and I think nobody here is trying to sell something. There are just some people who think they had something like an astral projection but they just had little lucid dreaming. In this forum there are very few people who can do astral projection at will. But there are many people who are really into enlightenment and there are some good awakening-reports if you are interested. So I am happy to meet someone experienced like you who also can do astral travelling. I did many experiments on my own and I just had never a real 100% proof for me, that there is a link between the astral realms and this world where you can manipulate or extract information from the astral realm and use it in this world. I read some books like from monroe where he said you can manipulate objects in this world from the astral realm ( like throwing an object from a table). This never worked. I also dont know what this astral realm really is. Whats the use of it? For me astral realm seems to be the place where mental templates for this world are saved. Like a cache in a computer. But it is so strange. I cannot grasp whats this all about and how it is related to this world. Can you give me an opinion on this? Or can you share some of your experiences? Thank you very much and welcome to this forum

#Session 2 on my girlfriend (over 60 minutes). In this session she said to me I should not talk so much because when she sees pictures in front of her eyes they can go away quickly when I talk to her. She needs to concentrate on her pictures/feelings. So if there was talking between us during the session, it was short and mostly about where and how I should massage her. This time I was massaging not only the back but also the front of her body. This was very intense she said, even more than massaging the back.I pressed two fingers of each of my hand on the middle of her breast and then I slowly worked up trough her throat. She was almost crying. Almost!! There was an interesting fact: Her eyes were closed sometimes and then I could see how her eyes were moving constantly from left to the right like in a mechanical way. She said she saw pictures in front of her eyes of her traumatic experiences. After the session she went in a deep sleep for 4 hours and had nightmares. Normally she rarely has nightmares. She said this maybe comes from the session. I think these nightmares are good, because her brain want to process the traumatic experience in her dream. But this is just an assumption. Any opinion on this? Anyway, she really likes this therapy and she said this session was really healing her. She released some bad emotions.

@AlwaysBeNice I tried it out today on my girlfriend, she lived 10 years in pain..all I can say IT WORKED!! My girlfriend feels now much more lighter in her heart. She said, it was better than any psychotherapy she had. I will do it again on her, this is so powerful.. why does nobody know about this? Thank you for sharing this technique!! Edit: For some people out there who are interested in this technique it is called "Amanae"

@Delinkaaaa Ok then this is a good question. I asked me too what is it good for. Nevertheless there is a unknown potential in it. You can experience ego death in astral realm but this rarely happens. Furthermore astral projections can give you many insights about this world we all live in. But you can do this also with meditation

@Delinkaaaa "lots of pictures"? I think you just have some visions in front of your eyes. Thats not even lucid dreaming. Can you walk around the room like you would normally do? @mp22 its the same we talk here about. How many tries did you needed with this method? How was the experience?

@Memeito Yes I did. But this rarely happens and is more of a coincident. I did also some experiments, like interacting with objects from the real world or the typical number test or seing pictures. The problem with these experiments is that in astral realm numbers change in gibberish symbols, pictures never seen before also change in abstract symbols interpreted through your subconscious. But there is not one astral realm there are many different levels and each level is more or less stable or closer to this world @phoenix you are in a meditative state in astral realm, you are like the watcher observing and noticing everything. Thoughts come up but they go away easy. Emotions come up but they also go away easy.

@Memeito You can move from astral projection into lucid dreaming and the other way around. Astral projection is very different from lucid dreaming, at least for me I also made the same test like you did with. Numbers are very abstract and can change in astral realm. real objects/persons cannot change so quickly

@Shin "Not giving a fuck" Exactly! this is so important when it happens. Crazy shit is happening always in astral realm and you see this all and just watch it. When you have fear or when you are too exited you switch back in less than a second to your body @Barna it is a good result as a beginner that you felt your astral body, thats a big step. Next time you will notice more and more. It is not easy at all I know. Sometimes it is very difficult to raise power in your astral body. But this comes with training you just need to stick with it. Before you grap the rope you can also try to lift carefully parts of your astral body (e.g. your hands)

@Barna OMG... I think you just met your guardian angel. This is a spiritual guide who helps you and gives tipps how to go out of the body faster. You can communicate with them through telepathie. When you are in the astral plane you can meet with her but this is nothing for beginners. First learn to astral project if you are really serious about it. your intention to really go out of your body is very important. Your subconscious will understand your message and will do the work for you. You can also ask the spiritual guide for help when you hear her next time during the rain. Then when you feel very light try to move your hands (without moving your physical hand if you know what I mean) and try flowering with a good headset next time

@AstralProjection when taking MDMA for therapy, does the sitter need to talk about the trauma with her? Like normal psychotherapy? Or would it be enough that she makes an intention setting and the sitter does not interfere during the experience. Like letting her just be meditating about the trauma?

@AstralProjection Thank you very muchI dont know what this ghost-issue is, maybe a psychosis but she see ghosts since her childhood and she also can see the aura of people. However her head overanalyze everything automatically, she is always thinking and thinking. MDMA-/LSD Therapy in europe will take some time until it is legalized and therapeuts are trained for this ( maybe in 4-5 years). I see also some ghost but only on the astral plane and I am ok. I dont know what these ghosts really are but this is another topic.

@AstralProjection I know a girl who suffers badly since 10 years from traumatic experience and sometimes sees ghosts (but this doesnt matter for her compared to the trauma flshbacks or panic attacks). Do you think this person can try psychedelics to heal the trauma?

@MsNobody Aah you almost did it. This fear comes up only because this stuff is new to your ego. Calm you down. You have no sideeffects, nothing can hurt you. Dont take astral projection too seriously in this moment. Be more curious and this fear will go So my advice: try again as soon as possilble. Fear will come up again but it will be less and less. At the end there is no fear anymore and you can experiencing this amazing phenomenon called astral projection

@electroBeam if you never had an astral projection then you cannot say something about this stuff. In the beginning I thought astral projection is another reality. I saw then that this astral world as real as it seems is full of illusion. I dont know if this reality is also an illusion. I am working on it to find out. Intellectually I can grasph that both - astral projection and this world here - are illusions. But still my inner feeling take this reality way more serious. Thats how it is.

@electroBeam Can you induce astral projection at will? I never came to the conclusion that this is absolutely essential for enlightenment work. It is just another illusion (and also a very short one)

@Geo I never did that and rarely traveled trough the universe. I am always at my home, astral projections are very short so most of the time I look around

@Geo I can go astral. Its very different from lucid dreaming. It feels total real. It is like virtual reality with crystal clear solution. But everything is changing, nothing is stable on this astral plane. Even when you look at things for more than some seconds it will change its form. It is very positive experience and remember whatever happens you cant die. Try it out if you have deep desire to go astral. Everyone can experience this

@arjuna why should you not take psychedelics with ptsd? Can you explain please? I heard many studies where ptsd can be healed with MDMA or even LSD. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/dec/01/fda-mdma-ptsd-final-trials

@Gailan Congratulations! What is your Background? Did you read many books about enlightenment? For how many years/month did you do your regulary self inquiry ?

If there are some skeptical people about angels, I recommend to do out of body experiences and see for yourself. Many people including myself will meet their own personal guardian in the astral plane.

I recommend normal Headphones for your Handy. This is enough to get the effect. Because with this you can use holosync in bed without hurting your ears when you lie on the side. I use Holosync for getting asleep very quickly

@dungonnon Which level are you in Holosync? I use it since 2 month, had very very strong effects in the first 2 weeks but since then almost no effects anymore. Do you recommend it in the longterm? I cannot see any holosync-effects during the day right now, there is no difference then before using holosync.

Clara is saying to herself: "oh there is a study about channeling in a group, sounds interesting. I had this deep experiences about the truth. Maybe channeling is real, I will try out" some years later "Ok group channeling doesnt work. But I love Don and his research team is very interesting. He asked me to help out, to be a channelor...hmm ok I love him, he get no reputation with his failed study. Ok I could help him out and I need a job too! I will fake it. I am an actor and a story writer. I read a lot of spirituality books and I know the truth. I know which questions Don asks because I worked with him for many years. I can play Ra and I can serve humanity at the same time. I have the chance to spread out the truh, can answer spiritual questions around the world, can really help people out. I will do it!") some years later "Don died. I loved him so much. I dont need to play this role anymore. I quit with Ra."

Yeah or she is just lying to herselve, believes that she has real contact but deep inside her she knows she is just playing a role. Like she is playing herself a role as a human beeing. Another interesting thing: did you recognized about these channel entities that they answer difficult questions outside of spirituality very strange? Or even wrong (Ra about pyramids, bigfood)? Or they come up with an excuse ("Hello I am Ra. Ohhh for this question I have not enough energy..ohh I am losing contact, next session please (meanwhile I can research this question)") Show me one unsolved question, which a channel entity solved and which cannot be answered with a 5meo experience.

@Barna then you are not a Zen Devil like her