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Tested again rectal, this time 13 mg hcl. Set/Setting: in the morning, no breakfast. in sitting meditation position. I am not in good mood but tried anyway. During trip: a little energy after 5 minutes, nothing more than I would get from normal meditation. This was total weak.. One time plugging with 4 mg worked perfectly. So how can it be that this 3 times bigger dose than the one which worked, is so weak. Is mood a real big factor?

I was this time lying in surrender pose on the floor. Last time with 4 mg I was sitting. Maybe sitting with crossed legs like I do on kriya yoga is more powerful. Any other options on this? I know Matin ball said lying on the floor is best. But maybe this is not right for everyone.

@Aaron p I plug it every time same deep, at 6 mm mark of my syringe Do you want to do it rectal hcl?

Tested again rectal, this time 10 mg hcl. Set/Setting: in the night. I was in bad mood before. Ate heavy food on this day, but did not eat for 5 hours before the trip, a little headache. Laying on floor in darkness, eyes closed and waited for the effects to come in. During trip: a little energy after 5 minutes, I could raise this a little with positive affirmations and deep breathings. After 20 minutes there were no effects anymore. Overall this trip was like a good meditation session. I was not afraid at all and nothing special happend. Leo was right, 10 mg hcl rectal is nothing profound. This trip was much weaker than my 4 mg treshold dose. Explanation: mood is important, maybe also no heavy food on this day, 5 hours no food is not enough maybe

@Koeke You can try it now on low dose. No experience needed.

@Dutch guy Can you tell which ROA did you use? Plugging? Thanks for your report. Interesting to see what this stuff can do. By the way I got a strange taste in my mouth at the end of the trip

@Leo GuraArsen_se already wrote in this topic that Octavio behaves differently depending on which level you are. If you are an addict, he will kick your Ass. If you are a mojo satsang hippie he will hug you. I can show you videos where he is total nice and soft to the people. But these are no addicts, you can see that in their face.

@Leo Gura 15 mg is a breakthrough dose. That means I will experience the Truth. That is a little too much right now. Will have little glimpses of Truth here and there, enough to integrate it. Your ex gf, how did she approach this stuff?

@Leo Gura Yes but you are not an red addict. These people think complete differently. So they must be treated differently. Silence is far far out there for them. A red heroin addict cannot meditate for 10 seconds. Octavio knows his business. I appreciate his unique style

@Aaron p I see you are in for a breakthroug. Nice! Ok 30 mg are too much for plugging with no effects. Maybe I will switch to vaping if I go higher doses. I can see the advantages for breakthroughs, If it is so short, at least you have almost no time to freak out.

@Leo Gura What holds me back from this is, I am afraid of ego death. That after this Event nothing will be the same anymore, no turning back and maybe insanity awaits. You wrote even an articles about it. I heard there are many degrees to ego death. would like to test the waters with ego death if that is possible with 5 meo. Or is it like on or off? Eighter you are death or not from one second to the next. This Event scares me I want just as much as I can handle. @Aaron be a brave plugger, have a good shit before. Plugging is not a master skill, Leos plugging tutorial helped a lot.Trust this substance. I am exited for your report ?

@Ar_Senses Very good observations!! I had similar thoughts on Octvio People here dont know that these people Octavio retreats are HARDCORE Red Addicts. These have build super egos. Of course he understand their ego and how to crush it, because he was one of them. I would trust Octavio more than anyone, after helping 8000 people he knows what he is doing. Dont judge him, not everyone on the path is a spiritual Mojo hippie who needs to be treated like a princess. Some people need to be kicked to wake up

Can somebody translate what the doctor says? Maybe spanisch/mexican people needed to do 5 meo this way. It seems like He wanted to kick the ego out of the poor guy Every culture do their own cereomnies. Dont judge so fast

So here comes my fourth try. I just did 5 mg hcl plugged yesterday. What can I say, I finally crossed the threshold dose!! This is how the trip started: First silence, more silence, I felt a little afraid..what might come? I am afraid of ego death..it is so silent now. Then after 15 Minutes in waves there comes energy, AWESOME ENERGY !!!! Just pure ENERGY!! Like my head is like a lamp and energy rushes through body, especially around my head. No special insight. No visuals. Just enjoyed this. I thank God for experience this energy. Tears came out of my eyes... After 40 minutes it went off but this energy accompanied me for some hours later and it felt fantastic. I am very happy for this experience. All in all this substance is quite amazing on low dose.. Nothing to be afraid of, really. But still cannot think of higher doses right now. More low doses will come until I am total ready for a normal dose. So plugging works very good for me as a beginner, just don't do less than 4 mg because then you may have almost no effects. Thank you Leo and other forum members here for sharing your wisdom how to approach this stuff

Wow, I wish I realized what you realized on this young age. On your age I was just discovering Pick up lol. You have Potential for sure

@zeroISinfinity can you explain further? Maybe see it from another perspective: Never moved anywhere? Hmm facing immortality? but you as a human you are not immortal. You will die. eternal loneliness? you are never alone, here are trillions of beings in this universe your old person is gone? you are a new person now with new desires Sounds you would undone this process of awakening

@zeroISinfinity what implications make you not happy? For me top 3 struggles: Not grounded idealism of happy mojo spirituality crushed with brutal raw spiritual reality Feeling alone, not connected to others Nevertheless, best decision of my life to go spiritual path. A lot of growing

@Dutch guy Yes vaping may be good for healing and breakthroughs but not for beginners who are not ready for a breakthrough or other ego death experiences. As far as my research goes, plugging should be therefore best option for beginners like me who just want to test the waters. Or are there other opinions on this?

@kag101 you forgot that his brother saw the UFO, too. And I asked him already if this UFO looked like a hallucination. He said it was total physical. And He was sober. A hallucination does very rarely happen while sober How Do you want to explain then that it is nevertheless a hallucination. (of course everything is a hallucination from gods perspective but I hope you know what I mean)

@Dutch guy thanks for your report, this helps me to understand that it is normal to have no effects in "low dose". I ask me what your first effects will be, if they will total strong or very soft. I will test in some days and also post my report here. I buyed microscoops for better measurement by the way, here is someone who calculated average measurement of 5 meo dmt for each measuring spoon: https://www.reddit.com/r/5MeODMT/comments/6ctodn/advice_on_precise_measurements_of_5meodmt_dosages/ Are here some other people on this forum who tried rectal low dose 5 MEO ? Please share your experience, this would help

@Space interesting, thanks! I dont want ego death now. Just little first effects to see how 5 meo feels like. I need to weight extra carefully not to get into ego death area some people on this form said low dose 5 meo can be very blissfully low dose. Hope between 10 - 15 mg I will get this experience

@Dutch guy ok please report here, would be interesting to know what the first low dose effects of 5 meo are. Good to know someone here is in the same situation like me, plugging more and more until you get a threshold dose of 5 meo for the first time. Hope this threshold dose will not hit you like a tzunami Good luck!

@Dutch guy Here you see my finger to have a better look at my dosage. For me weighing is also challenging, I use only cups and make fotos from it to remember the last dose. So how many do I need for a threshold dose

@Dutch guy So you have the same problem, interesting. Which method do you use? All three rectal hcl and nothing happens? 10 mg MEO, this has to be 3 times my dose as in the picture, if my eyes measure correctly.

@Leo Gura Ok but should I not experience something on low dose like this? How many of these litle crumbs should I add so that I can exerience a threshold dose (= first little effects, so that I know that it works). I just want to test the waters, as I already told. Also there are tiny tiny particles swimming in water, this hcl cannot dissolve fully, even if I stir for 5 minutes @Dand as far as my research goes, both ways have their advantages and disadvantages. I think this really depends on the person in the end how he wanna approach this 5 meo. What do you think of my dose? Is it really too low to experience anything? I estimate that this must be around 2-4 mg. @Aaron p sorry that I push my problem into your topic. Just wanted to show that you are not alone with this problem