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@Leo Gura hmm but for a first time 5 meo breakthrough experience is it not better to be in this hell for just some seconds/minutes? Like what is better, God shoot you in the face with a shotgun (vaping) or God is slowly ripping you apart (plugging) I would prefer to be shot in the face. More quickly and less struggle to fight against the experience

@zikzak I know but I talk about plugging 5 Meo of course.

@Bazooka Jesus yes, still very subtle. If you do 5 mg many times (I mean not in a row, always with a break in between) it will slowly get stronger and stronger and therefore fear can come up ( but manageable) 5 mg can also be very enjoyable, like a very good meditation session and beyond. So try this out first and when you can handle it then raise the dose. And plugging needs exercise. Your first plugging can fail (I failed too). Would be bad if you waste your 5 meo with high amout on first tries plugging

@Bazooka Jesus Start with 5 mg. This will really not scare you at all. It only costs 30 minutes of your life. Why the rush? Take time to know the substance. 10 mg will be much easier to handle if you do 5 mg first.

@acidgoofy I already know why the fear comes up. I am afraid of the truth. I heard it is beautiful but also shocking and disturbing and once you know you never forget. Life will never be the same again. And it can make you go to the dark night for several years, induce psychosis or other life shattering stuff. And realising this truth could happen every second during the 5 meo trip. The next second truth could be revealed and there is NO RETURN!!! THAT is my fear so I really know what I get into. This fear is well known to me and is totally justified. So how to face this

@acidgoofy Yes I tried lsd. Before lsd I tried 5 times AL-LAD and never had any fear at all, was just nervous at the beginning but when the trip started I was curious and exited. FIrst time LSD I took 200 microgramm and at the beginning everything was fine but then fear hit me and I was so overwhelmed by it I could not sleep without lights turned on. After one year of a psychedelic break I came back with low to to normal doses. But these trips are different. There is fear always lurking around and I cannot enjoy psychedelics anymore. When fear comes up I now focus on the breath and fear goes away so this is my strategy. My goal is to overcoming fear and if my strategy on focusing on my anchor (breath) doesn t work with 5 meo then I dont know how I can overcome this fear. What are the best strategies? Or maybe I just give up and look at it. No anchor on my breath

@Leo Gura I dont mean having difficulties on breathing. I just ask me if I can focus/rely on it anytime during the trip because it gives me savety. I just need an anchor if the storm gets strong. If it is not the breath then something else (concentrating on 3rd eyes, music, arm movements whatever). Can I count on this on full dose 5 meo anytime or does this one anchor hinders me from realising God? Should I even let go my anchor?

@Space Can you really breath through everything storm that arises during higher 5 meo trips? I mean do you have the ability to concentrate on breath no matter what? Even if god realised itself? If so then I could overcome every fear. I thought on higher doses 5 meo you forget even how to breath so how can you stay on it

@davebryand Nice !! Sounds very intense. Martin Ball never talked about ego death much in his books. He said either you are on or you are off. There are no grades in between. Maybe you never experienced an ego death before? Or was this something different? Like real mahasamadhi? I dont know

@outlandish Our legendary forum member Azrael had this recommendation to use kola nut powder against fear. I quote him @Azrael Can you still recommend using kola nut powder against upcoming fear for 5 meo sessions? It is a long time you recommended it.

@Bazooka Jesus Well tested and approved method among some users here

@Bazooka Jesus one of those people here who recommend drinking kola nut powder was Leo himselfe (correct me if I am wrong Leo). And sometimes he exaggerates a little so that you dont do stupid things: Yes, optimum is an empty stomach so that your energy is not used for processing food but for the trip. But you can drink totally save some water and also this kola nut powder. Your stomach will still be fine and you can handle the fear with this. It is a good trade off

@Bazooka Jesus Lol do you know how little 2 g is? this is just a drink. Your stomach will be fine. It is like drinking water

@Aaron p I ordered Kola Nut powder. Some people here on this forum say this will help you with upcoming fear and transform it into exitement. Take 2 grams of the powder, mix it with a little bit of water and then just drink it. Then wait 10-15 minutes and do the MeO. I just tested it once and there were nofear but also no efffects on 5 meo because the dose was maybe too low who knows. I would recommed you to experiemnt with this powder before using mdma.

@Bazooka Jesus Very good reason, I understand your concerns. To be honest, I dont know the right answer here because I just tried low dose 5 meo so far and got some skills which I hope will help me when I face my fear of death with a big dose 5 meo one day.

@Bazooka Jesus start easy with 5 mg rectal. There is no panic there (just a little heart racing but this will last for just 2 minutes and you are still in full control). Nothing profound and you can train plugging.

@Balyrean Very good! Just an honest report. Many reports here on this forum are just breakthrough reports. We need more of low dose/mid dose reports to see the effects and struggles there.

I want to share my 5 meo experience after my breakup one week before with a long term relationship (5 year). During this week I was in very bad mood, was total depressed, watched a lot of porn, played video games and worked hard to distract me. I also did sport every day and was in a strong low carb diet. I lost 2 kg in this week. So I thought it would be interesting to give 5 meo a try. I fastet 8 hours and did 20 minutes meditation before the trip. I measured 2 cups ( 3 mg) 5 Meo hcl and used the boofing technique (https://www.reddit.com/user/WeirdOneTwoThree/comments/98o55b/guide_to_per_rectal_administration_of_opiates/ ) for optimal results (@ LeoGura, no you dont need to stick it in your ass for 1 Minutes it only needs 3 seconds). I was not afraid at all, my mood was normal after meditation. I played a song (Liquid Records), closed my eyes and the effects started immediately to kick in. A little nausea arised in beginning, then my breath got stronger. The trip went unpleasant, the music I did not enjoy at all. I had the feeling something is wrong/weired. I opened my eyes for some seconds and then in my mind comes the thought "I dont want to break reality right now, I dont want non duallity whatever that is". Strong fear kicked in and I closed my eyes again. I tried to relax, smiled. I managed the fear somehow but still very very unpleasant, my heart beat raised. I had strange headspace like everything is moving and I cannot locate where I am. 5 hours after the trip I went to sleep and a reactivation happened. I had strange trippy dreamthoughts and even if I closed my eyes it felt like everything is moving like a pile of worms. This was very unpleasant. I felt alone. In the end I could sleep well. All in all I learned a lot from the trip. This trip had no positive vibrations at all, the music I did not enjoyed really and it was more like a distraction. And it seems you need to be in good mood for 5 meo otherwise it will be unpleasant. For me this low dose 5 meo experimentation comes to an end I think. Low dose can get very serious and not something to play around. I dont know what to do next with 5 meo. It was very interesting to master the plugging technique and get a little little taste what 5 meo can offer and whats it all about. This fear and unpleasantness which arives almost every second time hinders me to go further. My first trip ( 4 mg) was the only one I experienced bliss. It never happened again during any other trip. What are your experiences with low dose 5 meo and do you have similar experiences like mine?

O @allislove you are right, low dose is breakthrough possible. I felt like I could not hold on to anything and this was scary. Like if I would go deeper I would not know where is up and down. total delocalization. I think this is what ego loss must be. @Leo Gura You are right. Pushing an experience to get bliss goes wrong. It is like forcing to love someone you dont like. It doesnt work that way. I will make a break for now with 5 meo. When I come back I will be in for a breakthrough experience. Enough of this low dose experimentation.

@Adamq8 Great report. How do you feel now? Did it changed something in you? Was it a good realization for you or do you regret to know the truth?

@allislove I experienced one time bliss with low dose 5 meo. It is possible. I wish I could trigger this experience again. Any advice is welcome. 5 meo for me is a great substance, you just need 30 minutes of time. Easy to consume if plugged and no hangovers. And almost no tolerance at all. Furthermore if Nahm is right, 5 meo low dose could burn some karma if you bring stuff to the surface. i rarely do LSD because you really have 8 hours effects and I dont like this trippy feeling. 5 meo is much more clearer.

@allislove I think smoking is good if you want a breakthrough experience. if you are not ready for a breakthrough and still want to experience value from 5 meo you need to go low dose. And plugging low dose is good to master. Because you cannot overshoot really

@Arthur yeah thanks for your answer. Interesting I am not alone. On this forum there are so many breakthrough reports but low dose or unpleasant reports, even where nothing special happens at all are rare. I think there must be more of these reports, just to give a more realistic perspective on this substance.

@Nahm I would describe the experience like I did something really wrong and there is no return. And it came in waves, stronger and stronger. Pure mental stress.

@Nahm Hm interesting interpretation. But these feelings during 5 meo felt, I could not relate to the feelings with my breakup. I even had no thoughts about the breakup during and after the trip. It just felt like my ego is losing control and fear of the unknown. It is more like a existential fear. Fear of a life changing ego death experience I dont want to experience right now.