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This can be aligned, cleared up to the tune of liberation right now. You didn’t feel any fear. You’re labeling feeling fear & believing it. Notice the conflict: the realization all thoughts are… just thoughts. But… the thought “fear” is held apart as unique, special, or as an exception. Right there… you and fear. That’s a thought. Only in believing that first thought “fear”, then there is the following thought… “This is all fucking unreal”. That thought feels off, because it is off. But, you are missing this guidance of feeling, because you are believing the thought, “fear”. You are compounding this with the indirect thought that you are a ‘separate self’ which ‘get’s the fear here’, and ‘maybe should stop’. When this occurs point to the ‘fear’, point to the ‘I who should stop’. When you realize you can’t, it helps realize clearly it’s because you’re thinking there are these things, but upon actually checking there is not. The prior two thoughts (I get the fear & this is all unreal) feel off but weren’t scrutinized or let go. So that thought narrative, being believed, continues… and it is believed there is this one who is scared. Then there is the plan to ‘overcome it’. ‘It’, is actually, thoughts about an it, and not, an it. If you are the one focusing, who or what is ‘the one who is scared’ which could be ‘overcome’? (It’s just thoughts). Likewise, there is no ‘one who’s mental health hasn’t been the best over the years’. That’s a thought which can only ever arise ‘in the now’. The thought is about a you & a past, which feels off, because there is not a you & a past. These thoughts feel off… don’t justify them with self referential stories (more mental activity). Just listen to the feeling and be humbled by it. Then you’re adding another thought to the thought story of ‘you’ in time, with the past, etc, ‘who has DP/DR’ now, and you’re looking for someone else to support & validate what you believe you’ve defined. But nothing was defined, nothing happened, nothing is wrong at all. Open up to the possibility you’ve got it perfectly backwards. There is absolutely no problem whatsoever with “the black abyss”. It’s the thought….”I felt fear” which is way, way off. I can only imagine how this sounds but for the sake of your well being… you’ve gotta stop listening to these people man. You’ve gotta stop listening to & believing anyone & everyone’s “fear theories”. Let other people believe whatever they want to. Allow them their space. That’s their business, as Byron Katie says. It’s like you stub your toe and want to realize the truth of this pain, so you go find confirmation of it & strategies on what to do from everyone. But the fear is a thought in the first place. Incredibly humbling that the mind can be so off, but, it is. When those thoughts are let go (attention brought back to feeling breathing from the stomach), then the mind has the opportunity & possibility of realizing what it ‘itself’ is made of. This does not and can not occur while the mind is focusing on content which has not truth whatsoever. (Fear, me which has it, & unreal).

If infinite is infinite, there isn’t any thing to be had. No ways, no perspectives, etc.

@Rilles Yep, 1g’s a good start. Enjoy!

@Manusia Riding a motorbike down a lot of skinny paths lately and like to go as fast as possible. Noticing the pinnacle thrill is when the bike is full throttle, giving it every bit it’s got, and there is quite literally no time to focus on tree’s I want to avoid, only on openings. Even thinking about turning, even the turning in & of itself is delayed. Realizing it’s really all in the leaning. The hands, etc, the whole body and the bike follow the lean. This particular bike has smaller fatter wider tires than most. Takes the sting out of a lot of bumps, but they don’t do so well in sand. In the sand, the tires have a tendency to slide side to side slipping in & out of tracks that were already there. I notice though, when I make a new tire track, no slipping & sliding at all.

You don’t know that.

The question what is alchemy is the ultimate testimonial of your alchemy.

@caelanb From a spiritual lens there was always the option to eat like everyone else, and even meditatively. The hurried eating wasn’t caused by them but by choosing not to eat. Again, spiritually speaking, spiritual smell is related to truth & vibration, similar to the stomach issues and identity beliefs or attachments. There’s no need to reverse it, as in the experiential symptoms. Reverse your perspective in terms of role. Imagine how heartbreaking it would be to have to resort to taking things away from your kid to get them to eat. Feel the love behind that and your nose will clear up. Use a neti pot in the shower every morning to help it along. And neurology didn’t change, nothing got ‘messed up’. Neurology is only change. Really getting to the root… nothing happened ‘years ago’ which causes this stress. A repeating perspective is arising now which feels discordant. Change it such that it feels aligned with truth.

@Rubywoo He isn’t blind and does want to open his eyes.

@Rubywoo Material / survival / game / parts…?

@Adamq8 Once upon a time a screen thought there was a movie. ?

@Arugoel https://youtu.be/1TxOmW3Iz_c

@Adamq8 ‘They’ don’t ‘dissolve into consciousness’. That’d be two. Nothing is undeniable.

@Rubywoo Welcome Home. ? If you think of your boyfriend as a separate self, that feels off. If you think he’s hurt by the removal essentially of ‘your’ love, that feels off. If you see that he too can open this present, that feels pretty nice.

When you turn a light off in a room, there’s no more room. But you don’t add a narrative about how a you or a room dies. And the room certainly doesn’t add the narrative that it’s thinking.

@GreenWoods Another great thread. ??

Well said.

@PurpleTree If you were trying to overcome your hands, probably not gonna happen. But perspectives can be changed. Unless one focuses on the same perspective, in an attempt to overcome it.

@Endangered-EGO Awesome insights. ??

@PurpleTree Looking in dualistic thoughts, in the ‘this’s or that’s’ of thought, or, in the ‘true insights or delusional insights’… for Truth… is the very activity of thought which is the veil of The Truth, of The Oneness. The ‘you’ of thoughts, and the ‘oneness’ of thoughts. Through this thought (duality) believing & sorting lens, one convincingly experiences as if the Oneness comes & goes… was realized in a past (you & a past) and thus a way to realize in the future (you & a future) is longed for. This perpetuates the veiling mental activity of a ‘you & The Truth’. The believing of the ‘this or that-ing’ is the believing of one’s own defining & defending. Thus it seems there is a you and and store, and not simply Truth… a you and an inside, and not simply Truth, a you and a sales person, and not simply Truth, a you and a website, and not simply Truth, a you and clothing, and not simply Truth, a you and this level, and not simply Truth, a you in time, and not simply Truth, a you and time, and not simply Truth, a you which replicates, and not simply Truth, a you and God realization, and not simply Truth. A you and insights & visions, and not simply Truth. Imagining there are insights & visions, defining them as ‘not me’… ‘they’ seem to stand to deliver or bring about the Oneness sought. But the Oneness sought is perpetually held at bay, apart, seemingly, only by the thoughts being believed... about “the oneness”, or “Truth”. Infinite can not know finite.

You can’t be them by definition.

@Terell Kirby The forum seems helpful. That could’ve went on for ‘years’.

@PurpleTree The Truth. Why else? Might be easier than you think (and define ‘things’).

Yes.

Can you overcome your perspective? Or is overcome a perspective, like shame?

…and not even.