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Alan Turing for bringing math to biology and proving we have free will with his Chaos Theories. I realize Boris 'completed' his equations and Lorenzo further it with the most substantial contribution, "the butterfly effect", but I think Turing was the game changer because he broke the most important paradigm possible. Turing proved that determinism is a product of the ego. (I am not trying to continue or begin a free will debate so please please please don't. If you are interested in realizing you have free will, simply watch a documentary on chaos theory. If you are convinced you don't have free will, I already believe you, no need to comment) If you do take an interest in Chaos, be sure not to leave out some knowledge gathering on topical mixing, the moons of Pluto, and how job guidance counselors are using chaos theory to more successfully match people to more fulfilling jobs. Also, get comfy with "stochastic". Just one more time for safe measure. This is a contribution to the topic, not a fee will debate invite.

@pluto That literally made me smile. Awesome.

Cop outs. Get in the game if you ever want to transcend yourself. Don't be retarded by the fragility of your ego. Getting through your fear of vulnerability in expressing your current understandings is not at all the same place as attaching to being right or wrong. Huge difference. It's about letting go.

@ashashlov Forgive my forwardness but I'm calling bullshit. It's not the tv or the comforts that ail you, it is your fitness level. What I'm trying to communicate right now is elusive as fuck but I'm doing my best in hopes it reaches you in a beneficial way. You have to do this almost impossible thing - you have to see through the illusion that your ego is creating. It is making up a story with a backdrop of justification with regards to "comfort". You must realize the wisdom in "The body IS the temple". Perhaps consider all the trouble the Egyptians went through to make temples/pyramids. Now consider what care, time and focus you do or don't allocate for your own 'temple'. You must break out of your repetition. That is not easy. It is far easier to do the most probable thing - more of the same. FUCK. THAT. TRAP. Put an elliptical or excercise bike in front of your tv. Buy jean that are the size you will be and hang them in a prominent place on the wall. Write your wieght / excercise goals on the wall. Listen to 'pumped' music. YouTube "Motivation", listen for as long and as many days as you need to. All this and whatever else you can think of will prime you subconsciously and you'll start to gravitate to better health, and a better temple. You have to put how you feel as always the most important thing, because that is where you learn or don't learn, expand or not, connect or not, etc. I hope this helps and yes I realize I'm being preachy and dickish but it's from compassion. The road away from enlightenment is paved with "I don't have enough time" "I don't have enough money" "I don't have the desire" "After I resolve my issues" "once my spouse does this" "When my kids are older" "When I get my own place" "When my boss does this" ALL TRAPS!!!!! The road to enlightenment is paved with "I can" "I am".

If anyone is interested, John Mayor wrote an album around this chart called "Room for Squares" i think.

I think the knowledge and experience and important, but what is generally most under appreciated is the diet and excercise components. When the topic of enlightenment comes up, knowledge, wisdom and experience always come up. Too rarely do we understand the importance of the care for the "lens' itself. The body is the temple. It is the vehicle. It is the communicator - the receiver - the processor. Excessive weight on the body causes resistance in the mind and a gross lack of clarity. To make matters worse, if the knowledge factor is high, being out of shape and lethargic from over eating only serves to increase the ego's illusion because we tend to create beliefs that support our poor health. Watch out for that trap. "It's an Illusion!"

It 'contains' many perspectives, as in your perception becomes less linear or one dimensional. Not enlightenment IS a perspective. You have to experience the difference to understand it. All the books and videos you mentioned will certainly help, but there is a 'POP' of mind expansion that happens eventually, and then you will see what I'm trying to communicate. Regarding the ego - you're on the right track, delusion is helpful in the way you reference, because you realize to question it. High praise there. Try not to think of the ego as "false'. It's a good thing, as it is a gateway to this whole experience. It is also a good thing to let it go and see beyond it, which it sounds like you will. I get the impression you 'naturally' learn and pursue these things, which is awesome. The "empirical investigation, the self inquiry, meditation, healthy eating, excercise, mindfulness and awereness growth are all IMO equally necessary components of the recipe for the fore mentioned "POP". You are on the right track. Do some self inquiry on which of those categories, if any, you may be lacking in, put some time and focus there, and I bet you have that pop within a year or so. Godspeed my friend.

For sure! I love that! I watched 2001 A Space Odyssey the other day for the second time in about 10 years and it blew my mind.

@Evilwave Heddy Go ahead and use this opportunity to comment or que up a 'point'. You have to let the fear go. This site is good for that as it is anonymous Humility is beneficial, but discussing, even debating, is also beneficial. I find there are times when I think I understand something and a good debate will help me see what I might not have learned yet, then I learn more. It's a great gap filling excercise. Yes, sometimes I end up looking / feeling like an ass, but I walk away from it with more clarity on my ego, a little more info on communication skills, and some more knowledge on a subject. The thing about fear is, "It's an illusion!"

@Christian Enlightenment 'contains' many perspectives at once, so paradigms don't appear as riddles. It makes it easy to spot the inconsistent perspectives that make it appear to seem conflicting.

How do you reconcile Chaos Theory and Free Will?

@Wouter You are on the tip of a major breakthrough. An analogy in hopes it helps, - in our perceived reality there is constant motion, you take a picture, and when you put your focus on the picture, it doesn't look like anything is moving (in the photo). Then you return your focus back to the the room or whatever and there is motion again. Just go one more layer, and perhaps the fluidity in the everything is our more default state, outside or after this 'photo' or life / ego. You can connect to it here, but we peoples are tricky as fuck. Beliefs are like the ego's tentacles, but to us they feel like warm blankets. I think all roads lead to the everything and that it is good. Enjoying the ride is just as important as time in and focus. One removes the doors and the other welcomes home the truth.

The moment you are so one with everything that you could manifest a flying car, you no longer desire a flying car.

@bobbyward That's awesome! There will be similar changes in vision, how you experience music, intuition, etc, etc. More slight but more impactful. From my experience, keep at it, and you'll have a 'pop' out of the blue or in meditation, that is a game changer. The kind you are permanently changed by. It's awesome and most worthwhile.

@Bodhi123 That made me remember my first World Religions class. It blew my mind when the teacher started the first day with writing on the board "Unanswerable Questions", and then proceeded to sum all religions up with that. I was thinking - holy shit, every person in here is about to tell her what an idiot she is! (Because that's what I was used to people saying to me as I grew up in a predominantly religious neighborhood and I did not care for it) First time I heard someone, especially a teacher when I was that young, express what I thought was normal. Instant mind expansion. Man I was innocent then. Lol!

@Bodhi123 Aren't they at least somewhat two in the same? Did the time you spent in school and college, and all the people and experiences that came with it become the events, in hindsight, where you gained the wisdom?

@MochaSlap I understand the theory of 'it's going to take a lot of hard work' and I understand you're likely to proceed in that fashion. So just for fun, I am offering a different perspective. Does anything come to mind if you try to think back to your upbringing, why and when you adopted the belief that you had low confidence?

@harisankartj The mind looks for justification of self, not "non existent sense of self". If someone has a "non existent sense of self" they would be quite enlightened. The "selfs" do create victimization, the "selfs" have also created everything on earth since humans began. In the end, it is to each of us to choose. So why doesn't someone choose a happy path?- Only that someone could know, but my guess is fear of something that exists only because they have a belief / inaccurate understanding of reality. Our "selfs" tend to make sense of shitty things by creating a story that protects our ego and adopting that story as accurate.

Your topic asked about productivity, which I take to mean getting shit done. If you were motivated you would already be productive. I think you are looking for motivation. I'm not really a sports guy, but I am into fitness and pushing my limits. What works for me is youtubing "motivation". The speeches from coaches and trainers that come up are the best instant external energy I've been able to find. Also, keep in mind, energy is transferred, not created. Hope this helps at all. Productivity can be a tough one.

With respect laws: Being an observer is awesome. Being a creator is even better.

It never stops. Stay classy DizlzMikey

It's not paradoxical, it just leaves out the variable of time of experience. It's one of those classic nonlinear's.

"The Flip" nailed it, thanks for that! nothing is on the way to everything

@Bodhi123 That IS resistant thinking. When you let go, that IS what you have been letting go of. It has relation to honesty and clarity. Chris Cornell said it best- "I won't lie no more you can bet, and I don't wanna learn what I'll need to forget" Stay classy Bodhi.

@bobbyward Thanks for taking the time to share that!!!!! I had that experience, I would describe it exactly as you did! My 3 day high dissipated but the change in perception did not. Stay classy!