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@Loreena People. Thoughts disconnection my expectations What about you Loreena?

Remember when I misunderstood your post about rituals?

A statistical average of anything can be determined. I don't see where the rest is applicable. What is it that prevents you from making a choice? A belief that determined systems produce only determined outcomes...? Larger scale systems combine and produce random unpredictable results. If you're the observer and physics is happening in consciousness, what is it that prevents us from making choices or changing anything? Why then don't we have any influence or choice (free will)? Are you saying the brain is a passive causal actor of this and the mind does not interact with the brain? No one or no One? Behind everything, do you hold that there is nothing, or everything, or that both are one in the same? It seems to me that what you refer to as unknowable is that all of our experience comes from nothing, as I understand it, all of our experience comes from everything and is something specific collapsed. Also, a choice can not just 'happen', even simply by definition of the word choice. . There is no one because everyone is the One, is very different from 'there is nothing'. Reduction to 'Nothing' is easy and requires no steps, but doesn't actually resolve anything. Yes, it is a way of understanding. The more we learn the more we understand. Please don't confuse understanding and being. Also, you're missing the nature of the loop / expansion. I'm not projecting, I am the Oneness. Decision making, like everything, is of the Oneness, is not seperate. I'm not asking why it can't be done, I'm asking you why you can't do it. You're picking and switching from the oneness perspective to the human perspective and missing that you are the whole thing. How can anything come from nothing - because it's not nothing, it's everything. The observation is specific. We can't observe it all at the same time because we are the all, not collapsed yet to be observed. You're making a reference to unknowable but you previously said ALL knowledge falls at your feet. Fundamental to everything you're saying, is that you are not nothing, you are everything. How do you reconcile these theories? Purpose i assigned by you. You are the chooser This is he uncertainty principle. If you have not yet made a choice, there is no certainty. I hope this helps you to choose purpose in your life. Thank you again for the convo! Much appreciated!

We're never defining someone else, but we're always defining ourselves.

@Psychonaut That would be true about Jews, not Christians. There is no enlightened Christian.

@PureExp The observable determinism from atomic up, and underlying quantum state of superposition and uncertainty that is the fabric of all the observable matter, knowing that yourself as an observer are a part of the loop. Or that given, in the end, it is all mind, why can't you use your mind to make a choice, let alone make the notorious 'instant flying car"? Even assuming that another observer would perceive you as not having made any choice and doing what was inevitable. Your mind is, as everything is, made of the underlying superposition, which is everything in a state of everything. String theory presupposed that space time is a back drop thus gravitational waves, but relativity incorporates space time and predicted gravitational waves. So is string theory a worthwhile pursuit or a false direction? Knowing that you are the everything, the oneness, and that the oneness can't make a simple decision? Or another way of saying it, how did something come from everything if everything can't produce anything? Thanks for talking to me about this stuff. I acknowledge most people get annoyed with it. Also, your website is fantastic. I've been perusing and love it! Also, seperate question, got anything on the laws? Where did they come from? Have you found meaning or purpose for the laws personally?

Religion brings the ups of feeling grateful and praying for change in things we don't understand, "Give it to God" - and the downs of the deeper issues of the heaven hell complex, knowing we could learn and do something about the things we don't understand, and ultimately the judgment complex. Religion requires that one accepts the imaginary third party measuring stick of morals (God as a man type thinker) and that one assumes the 'known' repercussions of not following God's word. So Christians may seem easier going, lighter, but deeper within they have some serious belief issues that are preventing them from living more fully. A weird thing I've noticed...if you ask a Christian person if they are Christian, they will say yes with a tone of "of course I'm a good person". But if you ask them if they believe in heaven and hell, that all the Muslims, Buddhists, etc are going to spend eternity in hell, they start to waiver. Where I live, if you ask them if they are homophobic, they say " well, I know what the church says but I don't think it's wrong to be gay". If you ask them if they treat their body as the temple, if they judge people, etc etc, they start to see that they don't really agree with what it actually means to biblically be a Christian. The real interesting thing, imo, is when you ask a Christian "What does it mean to be a Christian", they typically answer "to accept Jesus as your lord and savior". If you ask, savior for what, save you from what? They answer "eternal damnation". If you say "The same person / people who told you there is a hell, if you want to avoid that hell you must do / think as we say, and that is the only way" they do start to question the whole complex.

Can you help me understand how you resolve the world reality being a simulation, and the butterfly effect? Or do you not resolve things, like, just skip it?

@Garuda A certain shopkeeper sent his son to learn about the secret of happiness from the wisest man in the world. The lad wandered through the desert for forty days, and finally came upon a beautiful castle, high atop a mountain. It was there that the wise man lived. Rather than finding a saintly man though, our hero, on entering the main room of the castle, saw a hive of activity: tradesmen came and went, people were conversing in the corners, a small orchestra was playing soft music, and there was a table covered with platters of the most delicious food in that part of the world. The wise man conversed with everyone, and the boy had to wait for two hours before it was his turn to be given the man’s attention. The wise man listened attentively to the boy’s explanation of why he had come, but told him that he didn’t time just then to explain the secret of happiness. He suggested that the boy look around the palace and return in two hours. “Meanwhile I want to ask you do do something,” said the wise man, handing the boy a teaspoon that held two drops of oil. ‘As you wander around, carry this spoon with you without allowing the oil to spill.” The boy began climbing and descending the many stairways of the palace, keeping his eyes fixed on the spoon. After two hours, he returned to the room where the wise man was. “Well,” asked the wise man, “did you see the Persian tapestries that are hanging in my dining hall? Did you see the garden that it took the master gardener ten years to create? Did you notice the beautiful parchments in my library?” The boy was embarrassed, and confessed that he had observed nothing. His only concern had been not to spill the oil that the wise man had entrusted to him. “Then go back and observe the marvels of my world,” said the wise man. Relieved, the boy picked up the spoon and returned to his exploration of the palace, this time observing all of the works of art on the ceilings and the walls. He saw the gardens, the mountains all around him, the beauty of the flowers, and the tasted with which everything had been selected. Upon returning to the wise man, he related in detail everything he had seen. “But where are the drops of oil I entrusted to you?” asked the wise man. Looking down at the spoon he held, the boy saw that the oil was gone. “Well, there is only one piece of advice I can give you.” said the wisest of wise men. “The secret of happiness is to see all the marvels of the world, and never to forget the drops of oil on the spoon” – The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho

Any other factors come to mind at all? That could be a variable in this maybe? ?

@PureExp I think I understand where you're coming from but do you find any causation in anything you do with your life? The oneness is the oneness. There is no second part of oneness, so when someone mentions causation, isn't it assumed for the sake of the conversation that they don't mean the oneness? Is there any causation noticeable from your perspective from the oneness? Do you make decisions from what to do with your day, to what to do in your life, or how you treat people, from any place relevant to your enlightened oneness? ( I'm struggling to find a clearer way to ask this.)

@Revolutionary Think Yes. I agree with your assessment. There is a large scale movement underway with a few potential solutions; homeschooling, online schooling, charter (corporations) schools, etc. I meant it in a positive way for you. That the issues of the world play the role of fulfilling purpose for certain people. There will always be opportunities to make everything better. I commend your focus and efforts and wish you luck. The school system does need reform.

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I've done decades of ego removal and I have tried in recent years to take that to the personality level, it seems to me from my experience, that the personality is not removable.

@Scholar you can help someone else with their pain, but not their suffering. That is self inflicted, they must stop doing something to stop suffering (a belief, overthinking, keeping out of the now,etc) You can tell them how, but you can't help them to do it.

Have you heard the story of the disciple and carrying the spoon of oil? Mindfulness. Keep mindful of the silent backdrop, the underlying no sound. That all is illusion.

Like most emotion pain, there is a belief you hold that prevents you from seeing more accurately the mechanisms of the relationship. IMO it is the knowing you have of this inaccuracy, but the unawareness of it that leaves you with this deeper pain. You have probably ruled out that 'letting the past go' didn't help or 'fix it'. The belief would be that those emotions are coming from her/him.

You're wrestling with the nonphysical (mind). Stop. Make it physical. Make a dream / vision board, it works. Hang it where you see it everyday. In meditation, when thoughts arise, return your focus to your breathing, it works over time. Buy clothes that are the size you want to get to with your weight loss, and hang them where you will see them everyday. Watch videos about what you want.Whatch excercise videos. If you want to stop eating sugar, watch sugar documentaries, etc. This is all easier than how you've been going about it I think. Let it be easier. Good luck!!!

One additional idea, to the good stuff already suggested - It is easier to help a friend then ourselves. Do you have a friend that you could ask something like... "I'm stuck on this, what are you stuck on? I'll start for you what you're stuck on, and you for me"

What experiences have you had so far in income production? What do you know you don't want to do?

The ego is not static, it's plastic.

Just let go of the belief that some work is laborious, then do other work. You're expressing dissatisfaction with your limiting beliefs, so expand. There are many jobs.

@Vikram ss It's impossible to lose what you are. You've merely lost your focus.

@eskwire The whole show. You are the whole thing. You're the perceiver. The lens. The resolve is not within your brother or the world or the past. The resolve is within you right now. The resolve comes from letting go, not adding to. "The undercurrent" is something you created. There is no 'tool' to fix it. It must be let go of. Empty the ego, and love fills in.

@Echoes 'they' are observing, you are your whys. We are the patterns & laws. Many people, even enlightened people, have yet to realize what you are talking about / realizing right now. They project their beliefs unknowingly from ignorance. We all do. Where that line is, is actually up to each of us, since we are each the observer in the 'equation'. Many say 'there is no other', 'all is one', and they accept the paradigm of enlightenment, and therefore, never explore the paradigm of choice. Yes, I realize this is not a popular view. The ego loves nothing more than to say 'I've found the line' 'the final enlightenment'. There is no such thing, because we are the choice, the content of the choice, and the chosen. There is no such 'line'. Just choices. How can you be sure - it's inherent in the cycle or loop. You can observe people, and you can see that when you offer information that reveals to them a contradiction in their 'line' wisdom, their ego will be fuled and they become angry, or they will quietly refuse to assimilate that information, and bow out. The ego is comfy in it's line paradigm. Another observable facet of this....look through old threads, notice that they all end in this exact place. Choice denial.