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Some of us can. Are. And are living the desired dream. What you really mean is why can’t I? And that is the why. There’s no I in a dream. Just like at night in bed so to speak, you’re dreaming. You’re not in the dream. So tomorrow, when you arise in the bed - notice you are not awake, you’re dreaming. If & when self conceptualizations arise, attempt to point to who those concepts are actually about. In a dream you could fool everyone and yourself (so to speak), but you could never point to who the thoughts and concepts are actually about.

@Carl-Richard How do you regress without conceptualizing yourself? How do you conceptualize yourself and not regress? (Not at all “zen”)

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Funny how no one says ‘look at the animals, having sex’.

In the beginning was the word, and attention was returned to feeling breathing from the stomach.

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@Tyler Durden For the sake of communication & understanding at my end, any other words other than God come to mind? (Directly in regard to the awakening, not any content like videos, books, the forum, etc)

Can you share more on that? Not sure how to connect those dots.

@silkcat How is your life? Are you living your dream, consciously creating, manifesting, aware of and enjoying the thrill of it?

@Tyler Durden How did you so to speak awaken? Conversation, practices, life event, nde, psychedelics, etc?

Because you are everyone, including the “Yogis”. Past is a abstraction, choice is assumption, neither are direct experience. What’s meant by that term? Aversion is ignore-ance or avoidance of feeling via mental illusory distraction like intellectualizing, conceptualizing, theorizing, substances, deflection, projection, etc, etc. Conditioning notes that these are learned, and unfortunately passed on. Conditioning, as in less than contentment, are conditions held now. When let go, no longer focused on / believed, happiness is unconditional. Like clouds & empty sky. 1) Conditioning empties, karma is perpetual, cosmic, if you will. Perpetual as in that-there-is-creation. Seen more readily without claiming, or framing as “my karma”. 2) Not sure what thought suppression is, seems like a thought. Essentially… something is heard, said, read, etc, and discord is felt… but one is manipulated by the apparent authority or facade of confidence employed by someone, and one listens to that someone instead of feeling & intuition, or, the discord. Emotions are experienced wether resisted or not. It’s the ignorance which is the variable. The natural result of bringing an end to the ignorance / understanding emotions, is alignment and the manifestation of what’s desired, solo, and collectively, and also cosmically but that’s a real doozy and for another day so to speak.

@DocWatts Oh gotcha, thanks. I’d say the term compassion is cultivated in a cognitive manor but the nature it points to is not. It is already present, and thus can be referred to. I’d also say the ‘human’ nature is readily apparent but is unfortunately often weaponized via thought attachment, comparative thinking, conditioning, conjecture, and ‘self’ conceptualization resulting in manipulation, division, ‘self’ isolation, ostracism, of which arises the apparent need to cultivate cognitively the term compassion.

@DocWatts Not sure anyone would know what state of being is.

Exactly, but the hindsight recontextualizing is. “I know”… is always followed by belief or conjecture. You’re believing all of those thoughts, so it all seems true. They aren’t even ‘your’ thoughts per se, your ideas, it’s all conjecture. With a foundation of daily meditation, and no exposure to conjecture, those thoughts would have settled properly in the practice, and would not have still been repeating after the trip, recontextualizing the trip. (They wouldn’t have been repeating before or during the trip either). Essentially, you’re trying to make your own direct experience fit into someone else’s belief system. As justifications, rationalizations, and reconceptualizations go, that’s pretty lame. But then again, it is only the justifying, rationalizing, and recontextualizing which is in and of itself lame. Without that, there’d be no ‘struggling to’, ‘depressed’, ‘this finite form’, ‘lack of love’, ‘weaknesses’, ‘integrating’, ‘my human life’, ‘my survival’, ‘what I should do to be happy’, ‘figure it out myself’, ‘purpose’, ‘beyond ego’, ‘fucked’, etc, etc. That’s shadow work, and it’s not even your shadow… you received the most precious lesson there is, you’re just recontextualizing all over it. When you realize who or what you really are, there is no confusion. When you experience a bunch of conjecture, there does seem to be confusion. But the confusion isn’t / wasn’t in the direct experience, was it?

If nothing comes from nothing is as you say, a concept, then nothing is actual. If Parmenides was really close to an explanation with his thinking, then the true nature ‘of’ the actuality of reality, is, nothing.

@Fearless_Bum ? Love it. I’ve been im-parted. Well done and thank you.

@Fearless_Bum ?? Excellent. Similarly… attempting to point to “it”, very helpful. That which is pointed to is never the concept, never the “it”, and is always This.

Awesome share. So effortless, so easy in fact, there’s no master or mastery.

Well hell yeah to that! “Dream until the dream come true”. ST

@DocWatts I don’t disagree really, but compassion could also be seen as a default or the absence of conditioning or beliefs to the contrary. Natural, or the common sense, with care not to bypass any already repeating conditioning.

The compartmentalizing is a coping strategy for the discord of the belief in obligations to other people. Compartmentalizing isn’t a need, one doesn’t have to. It’s an interpretation. Good judgement is an oxymoron. Discernment naturally arises of direct experience, and much more clearly for not judging people / individuals, comparative / divisive / self referential thinking. Just opinion, connotation, but I would say one can be kind in relationships with other individuals, but compassion is communion. Bit of an extreme pointing, but compassion isn’t delusional. One can feel & express compassion without othering.

So much so that when the answer is yes it seems like someone else is answering. Yes. That’s how / why judgement of other as higher or lower consciousness veils only oneself from the truth. One doing so is missing one is objectifying oneself via the believing of the comparison, which isn’t grounded in any actuality.

Karma refers to what you’ve created by your actions, not cravings experienced. That’s conditioning & thought attachment (identifying) and the justification of conditioning & thought attachment, by calling it karma. Relationships, life purpose, and artistry pursuit aren’t karma, it’s creation. The karma comes into play in relationship, purpose & pursuit in regard to aversion and conditioning, or, the how you go about relationships, purpose and pursuit. This would be good to recognize imo, before spending the next 10 - 15 years creating discordant karma by bypassing conditioning & thought attachment, and then having to address the effect it had in 10 - 15 years, with respect to karma. For reference if interested… https://www.actualityofbeing.com/the-ten-ox-herding-pictures

Not really… I was more speaking to the thread topic. Higher & lower consciousness is judgement, and is the projection of one’s own inferiority (fear) onto others, when one is not ready to accept & love the aspects of oneself which are being suppressed, denied, justified, etc. As any teacher of spirituality would tell you, consciousness is infinite, and the materialist paradigm (which is thought attachment) is that consciousness is an aspect, product, property, etc, of a person, and thus seems like it could be higher or lower. So in the dad example, that ‘he was an asshole’ was me projecting onto him. Then I realized it was actually me that was the asshole, doing the judging, projecting, suppressing, and justifying the denial. When this was seen, it turned out he was actually a really, really great guy.

For a hot minute a ways back my dad was an asshole. Then I realized I’m exactly like him. Who woulda thought. ?