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@Electron When I met my (to be) wife, I hadn’t heard of “pick up” or the way of thinking of playing games, deception, manipulation, etc. She appreciated the poetry, and a song or two, and the showering as you say. I did too. Just, honest, from day one. Thank. God. We actually waited quite a while before having sex. But there wasn’t the ‘getting laid’ thinking, so there wasn’t actually any on purpose ‘waiting’ thinking either. It was just natural. Just a comment for you, in case by some chance you feel like this thread which initially looks in a way, like truth being pissed on and kicked through an echo chamber of an echoe’s chamber, so to speak. I would wager from what you’ve said you see (actually feel) what I mean and don’t feel like that at all though.

@digitalkaine Great insights. Biblically speaking, the devil is an angel which refuses to be parallel with mankind, and therein lies the fear and misunderstanding, inherently within or of, ‘being the devil’. (Angels, are us, mankind, which aren’t being, the devil.) ‘Jesus already died for your sins is an ultra polite way of saying you’re being the devil (but you don’t have to be). When that (arrogance, pride, self image, judgement, manipulation, etc) is no longer the case, the ‘holy trinity’ is actually realized, as in literally seen (yet by no one), like a car, cloud, or tree, and was never (intended as) conceptual or metaphoric in the first place. @Adodd There aren’t any Christians. That’s the mind untwisted, so to speak. “Let that shit go”. @Yarco Canon = theory. That there is canon, is the theory that there is canon. A theory doesn’t have to be belief and conjecture.

@Vision Belief. You heard there’s an ego & believed it. You’ve never actually experienced one.

Meditation could be thought of as non-thinking, or non-thought, which leads to cessation of monkey mind / incessant thinking, which is like, maybe exactly the same actually, as a psychedelic trip. The twist untwisted is it didn’t seem like this was the trip, as thought activity veils with thoughts of a separate self & separate physical world or reality.

Oh gotcha, thanks. Didn’t occur to me one’s path could get so conceptual that simple is confusing.

@Javfly33 Just two cents of course, an opinion… but what @Moksha is sharing with you isn’t reductionist. When a teacher experiences cessation so to speak, their interest naturally is helping you awaken, because there is no teacher, or individual there. Never was, but thought makes it so. When a teacher hasn’t, and is still in the thought attachment / monkey mind “phase”, it’s about their concepts, because they themselves (so to speak) can’t tell the difference. It isn’t personal. You might have a ‘lens’ of it being personal & dualistic, of right & wrong / higher & lower concepts, which to you maybe are not readily seen as concepts, but the way. This would leave you, in an unknowingly indoctrinated sense, in monkey mind always trying to ‘get’ the ‘right’ concepts too. Unknowingly attempting to and orientated to aspire to, monkey mind. Product of the underlying rollercoaster of comparative dualistic thinking, without recognizing the lens is conjecture in & of itself. @michaelcycle00 God is perfectly aware of why all is exactly as all is. But God is not the monkey mind leading the monkey mind. I mean, God is of course also that, but as the veil. Psych’s can certainly ‘tear the monkey mind apart’ as you say, and then it of course resumes, and the ‘experience’ is hijacked by the ego (separate self thought activity) resulting in being only further veiled, by the spiritual ego “phase”. Leaving you unknowingly aspiring to, spiritual ego.

Sounds more beautiful & clarifying than confusing.

@SQAAD The sensation can not be a problem because ‘problem’ is a thought, about the sensation. The good and presently unacceptable (?) news is, there’s no problem, but thought makes it so. Thought attachment… Meditation. Healing modalities.

Self Inquiry.

@Guillem12 Happy to chat and help you clear anything up anytime.

Looking at the emotional scale and acknowledging one is experiencing the emotion of boredom takes a few minutes. In this regard, years of practice and one awakening are procrastination (self referential thought, rather than looking at the scale). By helping someone inspect their direct experience and realize distinctions between physical pain and mental suffering. Helping someone explore their direct experience, such that they realize there isn’t a separate self which could need consciousness, and helping them to understand the guidance of the emotion of powerlessness. Up to OP. Not sure what is more raw and natural than understanding the emotions we experience and consciously creating.

Exactly. You said… “the thought” was just a label to the experience. Then you changed “the thought” to… “it”. “The thought” & “it” … are the same. “It” = the thought : “my brain is decaying”.

Girls are not attracted to discordant beliefs, same as guys. Discordant means ‘doesn’t feel good’. You’re sharing what doesn’t feel good to you, believing you’re right, and blaming other people & reality for the discord you’re experiencing. When you focus on what feels good to you, and share it, it attracts. It feels good to other people too.

If there’s an it, most definitely, it is always a thought. This is the good news. In direct experience, ‘my brain decaying’ is a thought, and is not the sensation. The sensation, is the discord, of the thought. It is not possible to spot the misinterpretation, and suffer or experience fear. Keep looking as you are imo. If you were fearing alien abduction you’d be saying “But in my case…” about alien abduction. Everyone’s beliefs seem reasonable to them. It’s how they feel that matters.

@something_else Very nicely said.

Neither matter.

If you have a long commute, a vehicle which is great on gas mileage would be more valuable to you. If you live in the mountains, a vehicle with a 4x4 feature would be more valuable to you. Experientially these are just objects, so no discord is found in the self referential comparative thoughts, nor in the objectifying lens of valuation.

Successful entrepreneurs aren’t focused on lack, such as ‘my mind needs to be expanded to think like an entrepreneur’. Instead, focus on what you want to create as an entrepreneur.

@Clems Meditate early in the morning vs later in the day. Sit up straight. Enjoy it. If you still fall asleep, have a look at if you’re getting enough sleep at night, and also at the diet.

@Javfly33 If you’re meditating for growth, that might be a natural phenomena in regard to letting that expectation go. It’s likely the nervous defense / laugh reaction playing out. No worries. Just relax, put attention back to feeling breathing from the stomach. If you can see it’s what you want, to release it, and if you don’t rush or hold expectation, it’s very enjoyable.

@WokeBloke Nah, then I’d be suffering.

@diamondpenguin Clever.

@WokeBloke The absence of a belief isn’t a belief.

Beliefs are veiling.

No broken self either.