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It seems unknown only due to what is believed to be known. While there isn’t (ime) per se a ‘knowing’ in advance, there is a being the sphere and the entirety of experience therein. Then there is no knower (or residual impression of) or knowing, or a known or even a potential of knowing a known. Words can’t do it justice, but what’s about to happen has no actual differentiation to what is happening. It only seems to with the transparent veil of the knower. What’s happenin is most fundamentally in that regard, potentiality, and there is therefore the potential for ‘this’ to spoil the fun (‘experience’), and also there is the potential for (we could say) being the vessel of the actuality of healing, which I would place experientially above and beyond fun. But only in a way. At the same time, straight up regular old not-knowing-fun is impossible to beat.

Making a mountain of an aunthill.

How did / does acceptance of those bring the end of suffering about, is what I’m askin.

Was gonna say ‘nothing not being love’ is a condition held by (?) upon love, but then you nuked the place with the mic drop moon walk, which we all know is the ultimate end game.

If love arose / arises of nothing / nothingness, even that arising would be a property or quality of some sort attributed to nothing, and thus not truly nothing in an absolute unblemished untarnished sense. Another way to say that (property / quality) is condition. Even to taste itself, to think itself, to know itself, would be conditional.

‘Who’ ya talkin about & tellin that too then?

@Someone here What is suffering? Not in any sarcastic or meta sense, but in the it’s accepted and that was the way out sense. In hindsight, what was it?

@Gregory1 How often do you mention and talk about Gregory?

@Iesu Indeed. Just not all at the same time.

Not suggesting complimenting her. Suggesting you notice the thoughts which don’t feel good to you, also won’t feel good to girls. It actually doesn’t matter if you say them out loud or not (to her). By try the opposite, I meant imagine it.

It’d depend on wether she held the same / similar self referential beliefs. In any case it’s hard to see it attracting.

@bloomer Yeah, you’re right. Maybe try the opposite. See how that feels to you. That’s likely how it’ll feel to her. Might make a seemingly complicated thing easier & more natural. Best of luck in any case. ??

@Federico del pueblo Again, if everything = imaginary, that would be included too.

@bloomer You’re going to think I’m crazy and this wouldn’t help, but just a suggestion to try nonetheless… Take a few minutes to read everything you wrote on this thread. Each time you come to some words which are about yourself, say those words out loud, while imagining you are saying it to and about the very girl you are desiring. Just pretend you are saying it directly to her. Really imagine how she would feel while you call her a loser, unattractive, ugly, etc. Don’t ‘beat up on yourself’ here, just imagine as much as you can, her face & reaction to what you’re saying, and how she feels when you share those thoughts about her.

If everything is imaginary, wouldn’t the answer be all of that is included in everything?

First you have to label yourself as laws of physics (not you), then it could seem there could be ‘other you’s’.

Why would you create the thought of a separate universe?

@VeganAwake ? You as well, and congrats on retirement!

Uncertainty is perfectly natural, the fear is in the ‘for me’ interpretation. ‘Knowing a condition’ is really, the thought of, and again the fear factor is the ‘for me’. That is exactly what I’m saying though, emotion is guidance in regards to those thoughts. Body, physical, dog, check direct experience as well. These are thoughts, as labels. Understood. It was in reference to fear. I’m saying animals is a thought experienced so to speak by a human, and that animals don’t experience thoughts like death or avoiding, and that this is projection onto what is believed to be separate & having an experience of thoughts. ?? Maybe, but when not attached to thought / lost in the mind, perception & feeling kind of come to life so to speak. There is no physical reality phenomena, just This.

@Inliytened1 @Salvijus Ok I concede, that dog does look pretty woke.

Spot on. Also, even less so, insight is illusory, as is lack. Insight & lack are not found in sensation or perception, only as thought attachment. @VeganAwake Fear is the emotional experience of false identification. Humans, bodymind organism, animals, and tendency are all thoughts (and not perception or sensation). The projection of human emotion onto animals is justification & perpetuation of identification (“ego”). Animals don’t have egos, and do not experience emotions. No one can show you a ‘fearless bodymind organism’, because it’s a thought. You’re already directly experiencing it. The ignorance isn’t of facts or understanding, it’s ignore-ance of direct experience. The body can’t be ignorant, because body & ignorant are thoughts (parallel, not causation). Holding beliefs / not inspecting direct experience, doesn’t make anyone else anything at all. It’s the beliefs which seem to do that. Also, the evidence so to speak was already presented (monk peacefully on fire).

@SQAAD Hoping that came with feeling of relief. Hoping more it came with some realization you are a profound creator.

Yes. Well said. @Salvijus It is funny, my constant ‘plugging’ of the dreamboard. I do so though (all opinion here) because it’s about the life, the living, the creation. If there hasn’t been kensho, well then it’s obviously about that too. But, fear or not, self or not, water’s still carried, wood’s still chopped.

? Likewise. If I might… seeing through fear just the sake of seeing through fear is fine, great, no issue with it, totally get it. But… seeing through fear in conjunction with directly experiencing the manifestation of what’s on your dreamboard is ineffably, profoundly sweeter, and if I may, incredibly more efficient than the conceptual route.

Inspection of direct experience reveals ‘two things’ is the thought that there are two things, and there are not, ‘in’ perception, two things, any more than the stuff coming to mind on your trips is actual or ‘in’ direct experience. What you’re being shown (imo) is that psychedelics can be helpful but are not exclusively the way, and likewise that the (wandering) mind is a terrible master. Meditation & inspection of direct experience could be said to be an essential foundation prior to tripping, if orientation is truth. Perhaps all that’s being avoided, is the cushion.